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His competition gun is better than yours because it allows an inexperienced shooter to perform the same as an experienced shooter. In your hands you’d likely find that it shoots a lot tighter groups than your Glock.
Refer back to my previous post, marginal performance increases with a litney of drawbacks.

There's more to a gun than how it shoots on the range. His competition gun is worthless compared to my Glock because I can actually carry my glock every single day. The gun has no value if it is so heavy that I can't wear it outside the house.
 
Refer back to my previous post, marginal performance increases with a litney of drawbacks.

There's more to a gun than how it shoots on the range. His competition gun is worthless compared to my Glock because I can actually carry my glock every single day. The gun has no value if it is so heavy that I can't wear it outside the house.
I doubt it weighs 8 lbs. The Desert Eagle weighs 4.4 lbs and it is literally a giant block of steel. There’s no way a CZ 75 weighs anywhere close.

No one conceal carries competition guns due to their bulk but plenty of people carry compact guns with competition-derived features like ported barrels, aftermarket triggers, and red dot sights.
 
Paul looking fit as a fiddle, all things considered, even doing a Mozambique drill.
Random thought, but am I the only person who pauses during a Mozambique drill? I was always taught the point was, two to the chest, quick pause to assess, and then 3rd round to the head if needed. However almost everyone I see doing them online just blasts out three shots as fast as possible, which to me seems a bit pointless. If you're doing it that way might as well just go for 3 to the head and have done with it.

As for the actual video, they make some good points about .22LR. While it wouldn't be my first choice, it's definitely viable for the average self defense scenario. My only real issue is I'd argue it takes more training/skill. As they point out in the video he goes for headshots with the .22 to make sure, which is great, but how viable that is for the average person when SHTF and they're flooded with adrenaline and panicking and whatnot, I'm not sure.

Also I've not seen the original video about the guns they recommend so I'm gonna watch it when I get the chance, because it sounds interesting. As a personal thing my first instinct was that for a 3 day SHTF emergency bag I'd recommend a more normal caliber like 9mm, or even .45, and instead recommend .22LR for a long term shit's fucked scenario given the popularity of the ammo.
 
However almost everyone I see doing them online just blasts out three shots as fast as possible, which to me seems a bit pointless. If you're doing it that way might as well just go for 3 to the head and have done with it.
Mozambique Drill was basically just a cool bar story that snowballed into cool looking Hollywood shit.

In all likelihood the chances of a situation where it would be done as it is practiced in the drill is likely close to zero.
 
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the dreaded Glock grip angle
My gripe with the Glock grip angle is that I learned to shoot on pistols with more 1911-esque grip angles, and it throws me a little bit initially when I grab a Glock. It's not an issue if you learned on Glocks or if they're your primary platform. I imagine it goes the other way, too. If you primarily shoot Glocks, then try to pick up a 1911, you'll probably instinctively point low.
 
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almost everyone I see doing them online just blasts out three shots as fast as possible
Flat range theatrics. Looks cool on video.

As they point out in the video he goes for headshots with the .22 to make sure, which is great, but how viable that is for the average person when SHTF and they're flooded with adrenaline and panicking and whatnot, I'm not sure.
They do emphasize that their demonstration is for extremely close encounters in a CCW scenario. The problem is, shooting cardboard in a controlled environment is nothing like being in a CCW scenario. Lots of adrenaline involved, and almost nobody just stands in place. Even at very close range, getting headshots is rarely easy. If someone's carrying a caliber so anemic that its effectiveness essentially relies on headshots, they're really putting themselves at a disadvantage.

.22LR is better than nothing at all obviously, but I still think .380 is the best alternative for people who really can't handle 9mm recoil.
 
I still think .380 is the best alternative for people who really can't handle 9mm recoil.
The issue with this is that most .380s are subcompact or microcompact pistols, so the reduced recoil is made up for by just not having enough gun to eat the recoil for you. Does anyone make a full-size .380? I know there are those Browning .380 1911s, but they're officer sized.
 
It has to be easier to train to just use a fucking 9mm than it is to train to actually do the Mozambique Drill in a high stress close quarters shooting scenario, right?
 
Try going for a run or bike ride right before shooting, makes shit way more realistic feeling.
People shit on it, but airsoft is actually very useful if you know what to train on in-game. Mainly stamina/not exposing yourself and snap shooting, but weapons manipulation and handling your kit too. It's one thing to do dry fire and reloads in your living room, but when you get competitive and wanna shoot some noob your reloads get way better.
 
Random thought, but am I the only person who pauses during a Mozambique drill? I was always taught the point was, two to the chest, quick pause to assess, and then 3rd round to the head if needed. However almost everyone I see doing them online just blasts out three shots as fast as possible, which to me seems a bit pointless. If you're doing it that way might as well just go for 3 to the head and have done with it.
You’re supposed to just shoot until the threat is ended. I get the idea is to “assess” what you’re shooting, but honestly just let them eat rounds until they are no longer a threat. A lot of people will probably just develop poor shooting habits if they focus on 2 and look and shoot again. I know I used to have a problem with pulling the gun back to see how the holes on paper did instead of letting the gun settle and checking after the drill.
 
The issue with this is that most .380s are subcompact or microcompact pistols, so the reduced recoil is made up for by just not having enough gun to eat the recoil for you. Does anyone make a full-size .380? I know there are those Browning .380 1911s, but they're officer sized.
That's generally true, yeah. The Sig P365 in .380 that I shot a couple mags' worth of rounds through actually handled recoil pretty nice. Noticeably better than that little Ruger everyone mentions whenever the topic of .380 comes up. I've heard mixed testimonials about the P365-380's long-term reliability, though. That probably won't surprise anyone. I recall seeing a video on YouTube where a guy was complaining that although the gun worked fine whenever he shot it, it would experience FTEs every once in a while when his wife was shooting it, and she was supposed to be the one carrying it.
 
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I recall seeing a video on YouTube where a guy was complaining that although the gun worked fine whenever he shot it, it would experience FTEs every once in a while when his wife was shooting it, and she was supposed to be the one carrying it.
Interesting. Sounds like he could fix that with a lighter recoil spring.

I feel like something in the range of a Glock 19 in .380 would be pretty sweet for the recoil sensitive.
 
It has to be easier to train to just use a fucking 9mm than it is to train to actually do the Mozambique Drill in a high stress close quarters shooting scenario, right?
Pretty much.

You’re supposed to just shoot until the threat is ended. I get the idea is to “assess” what you’re shooting, but honestly just let them eat rounds until they are no longer a threat. A lot of people will probably just develop poor shooting habits if they focus on 2 and look and shoot again. I know I used to have a problem with pulling the gun back to see how the holes on paper did instead of letting the gun settle and checking after the drill.
Oh yeah, in an actual shooting scenario I'm reverting to my army training, which as a machinegunner consists of the old maxim of "There Is Only Open Fire and Reload". I mostly use Mozambique's as a training drill, similar to shit like practicing off-hand etc. It's just my grandfather who taught me, was very much of the old school "If you're gonna do something, do it properly", which is why I wondered if anyone else did it the way it's actually described as supposed to be working.
 
Pretty much.


Oh yeah, in an actual shooting scenario I'm reverting to my army training, which as a machinegunner consists of the old maxim of "There Is Only Open Fire and Reload". I mostly use Mozambique's as a training drill, similar to shit like practicing off-hand etc. It's just my grandfather who taught me, was very much of the old school "If you're gonna do something, do it properly", which is why I wondered if anyone else did it the way it's actually described as supposed to be working.
I've always heard the two, pause, one referred to as a failure drill, and the two, one referred to as a Mozambique drill. That may just be me and my area, but that was the delineation I always heard. The way Mozambiques were explained to me was that the head moves around a lot, but two to the chest, even through a plate carrier, would at least make the guy flinch long enough to get a clean headshot.
 
I'm of the belief that the LAPD only started training Mozambique (Failure) drill just to have a justification for shooting nigs in the head, since the biggest case I've heard of people not dropping in two to the chest is that they're hopped up on drugs or something.

Have you ever seen a cop not just mag dump?
 
I'm of the belief that the LAPD only started training Mozambique (Failure) drill just to have a justification for shooting nigs in the head, since the biggest case I've heard of people not dropping in two to the chest is that they're hopped up on drugs or something.

Have you ever seen a cop not just mag dump?
Gay retard Dave Grossman promoted the thought that everyone and their dog is out to kill cops because they hand out speeding tickets and that they need to kill them first. The teachings of "Killology" was a solution that caused its own problem in gradually elevating the average criminal response to the police, so now it's infinitely more common to have cops anxiously bumpfiring at jaywalkers.
Occasionally you see footage of cops that shoot less than three rounds to drop someone but they also aren't the ones screaming their lungs out trying to play Simon Says.
 
Random thought, but am I the only person who pauses during a Mozambique drill? I was always taught the point was, two to the chest, quick pause to assess, and then 3rd round to the head if needed. However almost everyone I see doing them online just blasts out three shots as fast as possible, which to me seems a bit pointless. If you're doing it that way might as well just go for 3 to the head and have done with it.
Its a training drill, you get out of it what you are testing and training for, it sounds like you are practicing accuracy + effects on target (did my shots have the desired effect? NO - shoot again somewhere more effective), pausing isn't a bad thing as such, maybe using an interactive target might be more appropriate for that, but try taking an empty matchbox or cigarette packet (or similar sized piece of paper), cutting in half and sticking to the heart and nose-brow areas of a typical target, any miss is 2 seconds. i found that a good way to practice speed + accuracy (and crush egos) with that drill.

i think some of it is just pure 'FaP for instagram' combined with IDPA targets with overly simplistic and less then anatomically accurate zones, doing it just so they can ether look 'cool' in a montage, brag how they can 'shoot' fast.. in other words, probably just typical guntube faggotry..
 
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