Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows - Abos had 12,000 years to develop medical science but instead still burn sticks to this day

Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows​

The two miniature fireplaces with trimmed sticks immediately after they were exposed by excavation in Cloggs Cave square R31, with the sticks’ bases not yet separated from the sediments in which they sit. Credit: Nature Human Behaviour (2024). DOI: 10.1038/s41562-024-01912-w
Two slightly burnt, fat-covered sticks discovered inside an Australian cave are evidence of a healing ritual that was passed down unchanged by more than 500 generations of Indigenous people over the last 12,000 years, according to new research.

The wooden sticks, found poking out of tiny fireplaces, showed that the ritual documented in the 1880s had been shared via oral traditions since the end of the last ice age, a study in the journal Nature Human Behaviour said on Monday.
The discovery was made inside Cloggs Cave in the foothills of the Victorian Alps in Australia's southeast, in a region long inhabited by the Gunaikurnai people.
When the cave was first excavated in the 1970s, archaeologists discovered the remains of a long extinct giant kangaroo that had previously lived there.
But the Gunaikurnai people were not involved in those digs, "nor were they asked for permission to do research there", lead study author Bruno David of Monash University told AFP.
Further excavations starting from 2020 included members of the local Gunaikurnai Land and Waters Aboriginal Corporation (GLaWAC).
Carefully digging through the soil, the team found a small stick poking out—then they found another one. Both well-preserved sticks were made from the wood of casuarina trees.
Each one was found in a separate fireplace around the size of the palm of a hand—far too small to have been used for heat or cooking meat.
The slightly charred ends of the sticks had been cut specially to stick into the fire, and both were coated in human or animal fat.
One stick was 11,000 years old and the other 12,000 years old, radiocarbon dating found.

'Memoirs of our ancestors'​

"They've been waiting here all this time for us to learn from them," said Gunaikurnai elder Russell Mullett, a co-author of the study and head of GLaWAC.
Mullett spent years trying to find out what they could have been used for, before discovering the accounts of Alfred Howitt, a 19th-century Australian anthropologist who studied Aboriginal culture.
Some of Howitt's notes had never been published, and Mullett said he spent a long time convincing a local museum to share them.
In the notes, Howitt describes in the late 1880s the rituals of Gunaikurnai medicine men and women called "mulla-mullung".
One ritual involved tying something that belonged to a sick person to the end of a throwing stick smeared in human or kangaroo fat. The stick was thrust into the ground before a small fire was lit underneath.
"The mulla-mullung would then chant the name of the sick person, and once the stick fell, the charm was complete," a Monash University statement said.
The sticks used in the ritual were made of casuarina wood, Howitt noted.
Jean-Jacques Delannoy, a French geomorphologist and study co-author, told AFP that "there is no other known gesture whose symbolism has been preserved for such a long time".
"Australia kept the memory of its first peoples alive thanks to a powerful oral tradition that enabled it to be passed on," Delannoy said.
"However in our societies, memory has changed since we switched to the written word, and we have lost this sense."
He lamented that the ancient animal paintings found in French caves would probably "never reveal their meaning" in a similar way.
Indigenous Australians are one of the oldest continuous living cultures, and Mullett said the discovery was a "unique opportunity to be able to read the memoirs of our ancestors".
It was "a reminder that we are a living culture still connected to our ancient past," he added.


The really astounding thing here is the distinct lack of scientific progress. It boggles the mind thinking that in 12,000 years they could not develop any form of medical science and instead keep burning sticks, without ever wondering why it's not working. You could probably leave them alone for another 12 thousand years and come back to find the same exact thing.
 
Can't wait for a new IP to have an Abo Wakanda
(There looked to be some Abo politics shoehorned into that recent ARK: Surivival Evolved show for some reason?)
 
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I think it comes down to our religions and societies having terminally ultratraditional values, and taboo-governed band societies being more oppressive to the mind than any police state could ever hope to be.
That would do it. If any attempts towards innovation or experimentation are shut down hard, especially with the societal shaming of it being a taboo, that would make it a hell of a challenge to develop. In some ways then it's impressive that they lasted as long as they have, I'd imagine if people looked into it they might find population levels stayed nearly flat from generation to generation.

No doubt some environmentalist sorts would claim it's a perfect society as opposed to a stagnant one.
 
That would do it. If any attempts towards innovation or experimentation are shut down hard, especially with the societal shaming of it being a taboo, that would make it a hell of a challenge to develop.
It also makes the modern day Abbo very resistant to and mostly incapable of change or self improvement. Innovation is something that they were never bred for, they are autistically rigid thinkers.
 
aboriginal studies is always such bullshit. how do they know the deposit is 12k yr old? carbon dating I guess, but nowhere does it say that. 12k years of burning fires should have deposited meters of charcoal. but they take care to mention the sector code of the dig. totlylegitugaise 70000 year of culture.

and yeah human fat.

science journalism is always such horseshit...
 
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I refuse to believe abos are homo sapiens.
Why do you hate @Dyn so much?
The really astounding thing here is the distinct lack of scientific progress. It boggles the mind thinking that in 12,000 years they could not develop any form of medical science and instead keep burning sticks, without ever wondering why it's not working. You could probably leave them alone for another 12 thousand years and come back to find the same exact thing.
Hunter-gatherer societies are insanely stable. They settle on a pattern of behavior, and if it doesn't result in instant extinction, they maintain that pattern permanently. Humans, hominids, and hominins probably existed on similar social structures for hundreds of thousands or even millions of years.

They generally also maintain their social structures by violent means, ensuring that whatever that species or subspecies decided on (possibly hundreds of thousands of years ago) remains the way things are done.

That's why I think anomalies like the North Sentinelese are actually precious and that fucking British idiot trying to invade them is a loser who needs to die. Tribes like this are very important to preserve just to be able to study how humanity ended up the way we are, because that shit is the very beginning.
 
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I'm curious why this movement to rewrite aboriginal culture as the most amazing has been so successful.
You are not an Australian and that is why you ask.
The less we document and talk about aboriginal culture, the better for us, for the abbos and for everyone.

You want to read about 6 year old girls in remote communities and no schools that are too retarded to talk but can take cock all day from her dad, sometimes in front of the social worker that does the monthly checkup in the remote community?
That happens all the time out there in thousands of remote communities. Every day.
And everyone knows about it.
 
Much of their megafauna was wiped out due to not having evolved alongside any sort of humans
That's a rather loaded way of saying the early aboriginals killed them all. I've never seen victim blaming applied to a species before: "Ha ha! Should have evolved alongside Man, then you'd have known how to deal with him".

I'm also not sure it's true. Wolves, bears, lions - many sorts of creatures - did evolve alongside man and still got wiped out or exist only through Man's forebearance. Wolves and bears are not extinct in Europe and North America because Europeans have avoided wiping them out. We have laws restricting bear hunting and other such self-imposed restraints. The aboriginals chose to wipe out the megafauna. And a great loss it was too - who doesn't want to see a 3m kangaroo?

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or a diprotodon
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or a whateverthefuck this is?
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Please don't take any of this as a personal criticism, btw. I read Guns, Germs and Steel when I was a kid and found it fascinating and was fond of expounding on it to people who would listen. But I wonder what I would think of it if I read it as an adult today?
 
You kind of all suck though, why should anyone care what Australians think? You're the gayest, most cucked population that literally spawned from exiled criminals from bongland, and we should take you seriously for some reason?
Because Australians turned a barren wasteland densely populated by venomous critters and sparsely populated by a stone-age people clinging to survival and turned it into a modern economic power. In this context, the Aboriginal population grew, not the other way around.
 
And a great loss it was too - who doesn't want to see a 3m kangaroo.
See it? Maybe. Have it gouge out my guts? Not really. Even imagining myself as an abbo, I think I would view that thing as an immense threat and also as really edible. I'd get together with a bunch of non-petrol-huffing abbos much like myself, find a way to kill it, and then eat that fucking thing instead of letting it kill my family.

I'd kill that other megafauna too much like prehistoric Europeans killed mammoths and ate them.

Megafauna largely died because they were both killable and eatable.
I read Guns, Germs and Steel when I was a kid and found it fascinating and was fond of expounding on it to people who would listen. But I wonder what I would think of it if I read it as an adult today?
You'd think Jared Diamond is a retard. Which he is.
 
Megafauna largely died because they were both killable and eatable.
Yes, but we're also forgetting climate change. The habitats of these animals were shrinking after the ice age and when people turned up, it didn't help, however there weren't that many people in Europe or Australia at that time. Moa birds of New Zealand is another story however....
 
You kind of all suck though, why should anyone care what Australians think? You're the gayest, most cucked population that literally spawned from exiled criminals from bongland, and we should take you seriously for some reason?
Australia is a big place. Not all of it is turbo-faggot or commie-tranny paradise.
Just like all of America is not like SanFran.

Trust me, I hate the green and tranny-loving faggots in Melbourne for staining the reputation of Australia
just as much as you hate SF being thought of "all of america is like this"
 
Atlanteans came in 12000BC:
Dyn the Elder is happily burning his stick.
Kiwis come in hecking current year:
Dyn is happily burning his stick.
Brother Autistus in 42000AD:
Dyn Junior is still burning his stick.

I am not sure to be horrified or intrigued. But why human fat? Are they cannibals? Are they trying to fly like aracecar on a broom like Warlock?
 
I am not sure to be horrified or intrigued. But why human fat? Are they cannibals? Are they trying to fly like aracecar on a broom like Warlock?
because you're reading an "article" from someone who's barely a journalist, or even possibly a chatbot.

"clickity clack clack 500 generations of aborigines used human fat in magic ritual"

no-one will raise an eyebrow at that, no sir.
 
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See it? Maybe. Have it gouge out my guts? Not really.
Perhaps, but I'm sure there is somebody that you would like to see have their guts gouged out by a kangaroo the size of an elephant, and now you'll never have that chance.

Even imagining myself as an abbo, I think I would view that thing as an immense threat and also as really edible. I'd get together with a bunch of non-petrol-huffing abbos much like myself, find a way to kill it, and then eat that fucking thing instead of letting it kill my family.
Meh, Europe and North America have animals that are dangerous and edible and we've still had the restraint not to entirely wipe them out. We've even managed to preserve their habitats with some restraint from time to time. It doesn't take a high level of thinking to realise if you kill the last one of something there wont be anymore. Did they believe in abogenesis (ahem) that creatures would just respawn from the mud? The extinction took place in (I think) less than a couple of millenia. At no point did anybody decide creating some preserves or instituting hunting restrictions might have been a good thing? Hell, some of these creatures like the diprotodon or the giant birds were probably herdable / farmable. There was time to do these things. If you as a society live off certain types of game it is not difficult to plan for that game's survival. But the early Aborigines clearly failed at this. And then having slaughtered and eaten their way across a continent, had to spend the rest of their existence grubbing around for roots and berries.

I can accept your argument that you want to eat the tasty monster. But not that you're incapable of planning ahead by a year.
 
Hell, some of these creatures like the diprotodon or the giant birds were probably herdable / farmable.
Sure, but why bother herding or any type of agriculture, when you can move a dozen miles and find more?

Agriculture's emergence is a mystery. Yes we have space travel and dank memes as a result, but this would not have been obvious to people in Anatolia 9K BC.
 
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