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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary


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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[FedPostalService]

Eastern Europeans get lumped into one group though.

That’s because Slavs aren’t human.

 

[teriyakiburns]

You're right, it is newspeak and it shouldn't be tolerated. It's a false narrative and any one arguing it's "how we do things" is part of the problem. It's not how actual UK people talk about these ethnic groups with each other. It's the BBC and people drooling on themselves being politically correct to not offend the child rapists. Why would you ever make it easier to cover up sex crimes and the people doing it?

Mate, indians and pakis have been grouped as "asian" since the 60s. "Asian" in the UK (and Ireland) has meant south and central asian for certainly that long; east asians were historically called chinese or oriental. Or chinks. It's been a huge sore point for hindus and sikhs, who don't want to be grouped together with mohammedans, and who have been raising a stink about it since the mid 80s.

You've spent too long associating with mutts. They're the ones that call japs and chinese "asian", and get pissy when it's used to talk about sub-continentals. Yes, they're pakis and indians when you're six pints into a friday night and ranting about the fuckin wogs, but in sober company company they've been asian since before I was born, which at this point is a depressingly long time ago.

 

[Dr J]

Indians or Chinese lol, I work with a fair few Indians, Eastern Europeans get lumped into one group though.

Yeah, I used to go to school with a Ukrainian girl. We called her 'Russia'

 

[AssignedEva]

Indians or Chinese lol, I work with a fair few Indians, Eastern Europeans get lumped into one group though.

You've got a more lax HR department than I'm used to. If you call a Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Sri Lankan "Indian", they'll oftentimes not be happy about it. Most of the sound ones will get what you mean, but you usually call them "Asian" to avoid causing offence. During the Raj they were all Indian, but now they're not, and it's a sensitive point for them.

In America - a place that has historically had a lot more Chinese and Japanese immigration and relatively little immigration from the Indian subcontinent - Asian means yellow instead of brown. They specify "South Asian" where we specify "East Asian" (and otherwise specify South East Asians like Filipinos). When Americans refer to some sort of Indian criminal as Asian, it's because they're trying to cover up a scandal. But we're not doing that when we call Sanjay "Asian", and I think British people seething about us doing that lack real life experience and think the world is dictated by Americans.

 

[Persian Carpet Salesman]

You've got a more lax HR department than I'm used to. If you call a Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Sri Lankan "Indian", they'll oftentimes not be happy about it. Most of the sound ones will get what you mean, but you usually call them "Asian" to avoid causing offence. During the Raj they were all Indian, but now they're not, and it's a sensitive point for them.

In America - a place that has historically had a lot more Chinese and Japanese immigration and relatively little immigration from the Indian subcontinent - Asian means yellow instead of brown. They specify "South Asian" where we specify "East Asian" (and otherwise specify South East Asians like Filipinos). When Americans refer to some sort of Indian criminal as Asian, it's because they're trying to cover up a scandal. But we're not doing that when we call Sanjay "Asian", and I think British people seething about us doing that lack real life experience and think the world is dictated by Americans.

I've managed to avoid dealing with HR departments for my entire working life, But yeah if anyone were to actually say Asian to me I would think Middle Eastern/Indian and the Stans, anything past that is East Asian and Oriental would be Chinese/Korean/Japanese. I've never heard anyone say Asian to refer to anyone though, we never said "Asian shop" when talking about street corner establishments run by Indian/Pakistani people.

 

[AssignedEva]

I think at this point posting Goodness Gracious Me is relevant

 

[Windows XP Home Edition]

Amongst all the talk of Labour and the vote share, some very interesting things have happened with the UK's redheaded stepchild - Northern Ireland.

Sinn Féin are now the largest NI party in Westminster with seven seats.

Ian Paisley Jr. lost the seat that he and his father had held for 54 continuous years

While neither is likely to cause any immediate, tangible changes, both are pretty big upsets to NI politics and may be signs of things to come.

Unionists are losing seats in Northern Ireland because they're not a united front like the nationalists are to an extent. Unionist parties like DUP and UUP only lose influence and seats when they bicker on choosing a candidate and how to run against nationalists in election as they tear each other down while their aging demographics are slowly diminishing in size. They're no longer a clear majority in Northern Ireland and nor do they hold absolute political control over it. The average Brit couldn't care less about the future of Northern Ireland though.

I don't think that the rest of the UK is averse to Northern Ireland, but rather very indifferent to the place altogether. Most people in England and Wales have no historical/familial ties to NI and any affinity for neither nationalists or unionists even though the unionists are descendants of English and Scottish settlers in Ulster. They just see them as "paddies" altogether. Northern Ireland is less wealthy compared to both the Republic of Ireland and the rest of the UK and unionists are more conservative, religious bunch than those in Britain. They don't understand why the Orangemen celebrate a Dutch king and commemorate battles over 300 years old that are hardly taught about in the rest of the UK and certainly not celebrated. They feel that loyalists are only "loyal" to a version of Great Britain that no longer exists anymore. Their rallying cry may be "Ulster is British" but the Northern Irish Protestants have a completely different ideal of what "Britishness" is compared to someone living in England, Wales, or Scotland. At least the nationalists and republicans have a shared ethnicity (Irish) and common culture that isn't much different to the rest of Ireland.


Scotland however, does have historical connections to Northern Ireland, particularly in the northeast. The Northeast of Ireland which consist of Antrim and Down have always had a vastly distinct culture and identity to the rest of Ireland, even to the other four counties of Northern Ireland. The two counties' historical and ancestral links with Scotland were there long before the plantations due to their proximity to Scotland and the historical waves of Scottish migration to the two counties. The two counties were unionist majority powerhouses with Belfast wedged in the middle as its big smoke that had a thriving ship building and linen weaving industry. They've been the beating drum of Protestant/Ulster Scots culture and the heart of unionist resistance to Irish influence and culture. But there's already a sizeable nationalist minority between 35 to 40% in both counties now.


As soon as the Troubles occurred however, the economy of Northern Ireland went down. Harland & Wolfe hasn't manufactured a ship in over 20 years and the linen factories have all closed down in the beginning of the 60s. Many other settlements in Northern Ireland are incredibly decrepit and run down. Even the capital city of Belfast looks more decrepit and run down compared to Dublin. Ulster Scots are extremely proud of their Scottish heritage and they are obviously very against the leave referendum and anti SNP. Many Scottish people, especially the lefty pro-indy nats, don't exactly reciprocate the same sentiment either though. They are weirded out by the infatuation that loyalist Ulster Scots hold for the Scottish due to their Scottish heritage even though some have never actually been to Scotland before. And their beloved Orange Marches are not looked in a positive light in Scotland either. Even those of Protestant stock in Scotland are disgusted by the Orange Order.


Many in Britain still don't know why billions of pounds are wasted on a province that doesn't really reap the benefits, even after decades of strenuous efforts to promote peacemaking and good relations between the two groups by politicians when continuous grief and strife still occurs there today. It says something when citizens from the Republic of Ireland (whom hard line unionists regard as foreigners) know about and understand Northern Ireland far more than their own supposed "compatriots" in mainland Britain do. The Northern Irish unionists see the union as an overall positive and benefit but the rest of the UK at best views Northern Ireland as an irrelevance and at worst a nuisance net drain that costs them tax payer money.

 

[Almighty Space Duck]

Yeah no shit. Now pretend you have to go in an office with a HR department; what do you call them?

At my work they're either Pakis or Rice People.

 

[Kel1 shi1]

Indians or Chinese lol, I work with a fair few Indians, Eastern Europeans get lumped into one group though.

I just use South east Asian to differentiate.

 

[Ahriman]

Really makes you think.

 

[Suspicious Activity]

I’ve read right through and haven’t seen this, so forgive me if it’s just late but….

There are going to be a lot of extremely angry people when they hear that Mayor of London, Sadik Kahn's withdrawing the break for electric vehicles against ULEZ. Yes. If you went out of your way to get an expensive ev to avoid the congestion charge, that perk is gone.

I don’t understand how he’s going to spin this. The charge was originally only for older, ‘dirtier’ engines in a bid to make a. CLEAN AIR city. Now, by taking electric, he’s proved it was just a driver tax all along.
I mean. We knew it. But he could still play pretend. Now what’s he going to say.

They’re not going to be happy until every journey is paid by mile and you can only drive so many a day…all in the name of net zero. But really just to control movement of the masses. 20 mile an hour zones are also proliferating to deter motorists.
That and the built in speed limiters in new cars.

 

[Dr J]

I’ve read right through and haven’t seen this, so forgive me if it’s just late but….

There are going to be a lot of extremely angry people when they hear that Mayor of London, Sadik Kahn's withdrawing the break for electric vehicles against ULEZ. Yes. If you went out of your way to get an expensive ev to avoid the congestion charge, that perk is gone.

I don’t understand how he’s going to spin this. The charge was originally only for older, ‘dirtier’ engines in a bid to make a. CLEAN AIR city. Now, by taking electric, he’s proved it was just a driver tax all along.
I mean. We knew it. But he could still play pretend. Now what’s he going to say.

They’re not going to be happy until every journey is paid by mile and you can only drive so many a day…all in the name of net zero. But really just to control movement of the masses. 20 mile an hour zones are also proliferating to deter motorists.
That and the built in speed limiters in new cars.

Glad you voted for him, eh @AssignedEva?

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

I don’t understand how he’s going to spin this. The charge was originally only for older, ‘dirtier’ engines in a bid to make a. CLEAN AIR city. Now, by taking electric, he’s proved it was just a driver tax all along.
I mean. We knew it. But he could still play pretend. Now what’s he going to say.

"Fuck and fuck your cars Nazi peasants" given that's been what he's said before. Not in those words except for the Nazi accusations but why should he care? ULEZ was spite incarnate and he still won effortlessly in London. At this point they are a Labour stronghold and as such whoever is in place there does not need to pander to the voters anymore.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

I’ve read right through and haven’t seen this, so forgive me if it’s just late but….

There are going to be a lot of extremely angry people when they hear that Mayor of London, Sadik Kahn's withdrawing the break for electric vehicles against ULEZ. Yes. If you went out of your way to get an expensive ev to avoid the congestion charge, that perk is gone.

I don’t understand how he’s going to spin this. The charge was originally only for older, ‘dirtier’ engines in a bid to make a. CLEAN AIR city. Now, by taking electric, he’s proved it was just a driver tax all along.
I mean. We knew it. But he could still play pretend. Now what’s he going to say.

They’re not going to be happy until every journey is paid by mile and you can only drive so many a day…all in the name of net zero. But really just to control movement of the masses. 20 mile an hour zones are also proliferating to deter motorists.
That and the built in speed limiters in new cars.

Not surprising at all considering when Sunak was Chancellor he wanted to scrap any emissions tax in favor of a milage charge.

 

[Bloom Worm Cross Field]

There are going to be a lot of extremely angry people when they hear that Mayor of London, Sadik Kahn's withdrawing the break for electric vehicles against ULEZ

His father was a bus driver and, likewise, most bus drivers are of his constituent base. Is it a stretch to say that this is a case of pork barrel politics over ethnic lines?

in the 5 years to March 2019, white people made the highest percentage of trips by car or van out of all ethnic groups (63%)

 

[Suspicious Activity]

"Fuck and fuck your cars Nazi peasants" given that's been what he's said before. Not in those words except for the Nazi accusations but why should he care? ULEZ was spite incarnate and he still won effortlessly in London. At this point they are a Labour stronghold and as such whoever is in place there does not need to pander to the voters anymore.

In a twisted way, this is how he got in. (I couldn’t believe how easily he won here.) but it’s because his whole voting pool (full of brown and black people) who live in the rundown urbanscape that is London. They live there. Even if they had a car (a stretch) they don’t need to crossing the ULEZ line everyday.
The ULEZ expansions and yanking of exceptions only target people who are not residing in his electorate and therefore can’t vote against him.

For a whole new swathe of people, daily work means an extra £15 a day. And these are people who had no say in the election and people who have gone our of their way in the last couple of years to get (mostly at great expense) a ULEZ compliant car. And overnight they get slapped in the face.

And @Bloom Worm Cross Field no you’re right. And these close knit cross sections of multiculturalism are the reason we are now getting Muslims in seats of power. One more reason to ditch First Pass The Post.

 

[FedPostalService]

“I might get raped financially for driving a car but at least no one will think I’m a racist.”

Londoners get what they fucking deserve.

 

[Bloom Worm Cross Field]

Just realised we've passed 500 pages

From the very first events since the election, like the instant scrapping of the Rwanda deal without a backup plan, the acknowledged intimidation by Muslims of campaigning MPs, the 4 single-issue Islamists elected to our own parliament, and the new prisons minister that has said he wants to let out two thirds(!!!) of prisoners... I know I should feel utter despair, but I can't help but feel a very grim excitement, in the same way as knowing that a hurricane is going to hit. It feels like as a country we're going to start being taught some hard fucking lessons that aren't going to be able to be brushed away with "the fascist Tories did this". Whether we learn anything I don't know. It's just a shame that these lessons are going to come with a directly heightened threat to all of us and the people we love.

Nothing to do but try to grin and bear it I suppose.

 

[FedPostalService]

Just realised we've passed 500 pages

From the very first events since the election, like the instant scrapping of the Rwanda deal without a backup plan, the acknowledged intimidation by Muslims of campaigning MPs, the 4 single-issue Islamists elected to our own parliament, and the new prisons minister that has said he wants to let out two thirds(!!!) of prisoners... I know I should feel utter despair, but I can't help but feel a very grim excitement, in the same way as knowing that a hurricane is going to hit. It feels like as a country we're going to start being taught some hard fucking lessons that aren't going to be able to be brushed away with "the fascist Tories did this". Whether we learn anything I don't know. It's just a shame that these lessons are going to come with a directly heightened threat to all of us and the people we love.

Nothing to do but try to grin and bear it I suppose.

I’ve said it before on here, but I keep telling friends that we‘re going to miss the benign neglect of the Tories once the malignant paternalism of Labour kicks in.

 

[Wuornos]

S

Just realised we've passed 500 pages

From the very first events since the election, like the instant scrapping of the Rwanda deal without a backup plan, the acknowledged intimidation by Muslims of campaigning MPs, the 4 single-issue Islamists elected to our own parliament, and the new prisons minister that has said he wants to let out two thirds(!!!) of prisoners... I know I should feel utter despair, but I can't help but feel a very grim excitement, in the same way as knowing that a hurricane is going to hit. It feels like as a country we're going to start being taught some hard fucking lessons that aren't going to be able to be brushed away with "the fascist Tories did this". Whether we learn anything I don't know. It's just a shame that these lessons are going to come with a directly heightened threat to all of us and the people we love.

Nothing to do but try to grin and bear it I suppose.

Similar thoughts to mine.

A decent size of the population has never experienced a Labour government as an adult. They're about to find out what it's like and it's not going to be pretty. Labour has been an absolute disaster every time they've been in power. It was Labour, particularly under Tony Blair, who first opened our borders wide to mass immigration.

The Muslim issue has worsened and they're actively seeking and obtaining positions of power. They don't even hide their intentions. The Leftist teen/twenty-something crowd and useful idiots who have aided and abetted the Islamic colonizing of Britain are going to be in for a shock.

Fortunately Farage and Reform have got their foot in the door at parliament. Five seats are, admittedly, a low number but it's a start.

If things go as disastrously as I suspect they will then Reform has a good chance of getting into power in the 2029 elections.