F1NN5TER / Jude Howarth / Rose Elizabeth Evergreen - Kids Minecraft YouTuber turned forced feminisation fetish Twitch streamer & OnlyFans pornographer with wealthy donors. Internet Famous & Friends with Chris Tyson, Mr Beast, & Jean Hollywood.

I am making a general request to please stop googling Ethan's name and then telling us about every U.K. wallpaper designer or wrong age wrong height wrong face wrong hair colour guy from the wrong state that you find.

My mistake wasn't through googling Ethan Edwards is was through googling Briar Elizabeth Edwards (even though that guy's name didn't have Elizabeth in it) and trying to be thorough in investigating the results. That guy looked like a definite candidate, but I hadn't seen the photo posted earlier, otherwise I would have realised it wasn't Ethan and not posted it.
 
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In the same vein, he claims he is 'almost certain' to not be a furry, which sounds to me like him saying
>I haven't jacked off to furry porn enough to know if I'm a furry
And reminder that Karijou has commissioned pokemon furry art, probably porn too. If you were out there paying artists to draw your pokemon oc, would you still have doubts about being a furfag?
Yes, it is pretty known he is a deviant and he could be confused and experimenting on his interests... you are even saying "probably porn."
I think the notion of an apex sexual predator like we are projecting Larry to be going *UwU, I´m soo confused, I dont know what I want" is bizarre.
 
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I think he's honest in so far as that he really just rolls with how he looks and where the money comes from. afaik he only dates chicks and passing trannies, right? I'm not really into powerleveling my gaydar but he strikes me as particularly straight for some weird reason, the way he talks and moves clashed with his look and everything he's involved in, even Peter Thiel reads gayer to me for some reason. I'm beginning to think you can actually groom guys into it who aren't thus inclined with the right "incentives" at the right time. The Buddhist pedo monk stuf I read recently really made me think alot about this... the japs documented how their brand of old perv had different strategies for different types of victims... creepy shit but it fits here. I'm an oldfart and only following him from this thread, so if I'm wrong on his O.F. and dating history, please correct me.
It appears that he has only dated “passing” trannies.

He is a “t4t transbian” as trannies hate chasers.

In their insane logic, “cis” “straight” men who are into Troons, colloquially chasers, are disgusting evil perverts who fetishize Trans people.
“Chasing” to them is the only fetish which is off limits.
You can be a shit eating, used tampon sucking, pony boy, who happily indulges in these things in front of small children and they will applaud, but being into chicks with dicks because they are chicks with dicks is foul beyond imagining.

Unless of course they claim to be non binary or trans, then it automatically becomes trans for trans and therefore is pure, beautiful and far more natural than even hetero relationships.

Most this contradiction comes back to the play acting.
If they accept a relationship with a chaser, that means that they are not being validated as the true and honest girl they always have been.
 
If they accept a relationship with a chaser, that means that they are not being validated as the true and honest girl they always have been.
Yeah, I picked up on that long ago when reading about caroline cossey in my teens. Just without the post modern lingo. But I thought this "chaser = bad, straight men = good" dichotomy only applied to the hardcore "im a real woman" crowd who got srs to actually go stealth because of this exact reason, to filter out the chasers. I thought fin isn't even saying he's a woman. Basically what I'm trying to say is, that if his mind works like you said, wouldn't he also need to go by she/her, have srs and get his documents changed? So confusing.
 
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Yeah, that's me, I replied. I checked the Instagram link again, this time with Tor. Are you using Tor? Because if you are it doesn't show the page as public, it says you have to log in. It works fine with a regular browser though.
Even without tor, it's gone. It doesn't even matter, since he's not Ethan to anyone's knowledge. I apologize for jumping the gun, I just didn't want another situation like with Ethan's facebook where people fail to archive or cap the contents before the profile is deleted or closed.
If that facebook profile was still open, it would be easy to cross reference the world tour locations he's taking pictures of with what Tenmuses said he wanted to do in the interview.

It comes down to the youtube+google profiles.
It is known that the Tenmuses gmail address belongs to Larry.
It is also known that the youtube channel in this picture was used to interact with finnster, hobbit and so on.
Unfortunately, whoever owns the tenmuses7080 youtube channel hides their associated google account.
If one can definitively be tied to the other, that's confirmation that Larry is 2022+ tenmuses.
 

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Could Ethan have trooned out in a desperate attempt for attention from his dad, in response to finding out that he was grooming Jude?
I think this being worth consideration says it all.

So the main theories so far are:
1. Larry. Most of the immediate shit is his, TenMuses wants us to believe is someone of his profile, old guy is a motif of F1NN's paypigs.
2. Ethan. Makes sense for someone of his profile to be involved with F1NN, the sudden hiding once info leading to him was revealed, digital footprint related to secondary accounts.
3. They are both Ten Muses or at least work together around the persona. Lovecraft levels of fucked up.
4. Larry is TenMuses but Ethan is also in the community. Who got who branches into sub-theories. I suggest we look into 416hobbit's family and those of other paypigs to see if its possible they really are coexisting in F1NN's fanbase or if they even have a positive opinion of their husband/father being into twinkies.

Motive for Larry. Gets off forced feminization of young men and picked F1NN cuz surrogate son. Possible sexual assault angle.
Motive for Ethan. Likely giga hon that gets off seeing getting a surrogate twink to force fem and vicariously be a femboy. Possible skinwalking angle.

Arguments against Larry: Mostly just how off it seems for a 50 something radiologist to be into ATLA and femboy streamers. EDIT: Should've specified streamers instead, sorry. iirc someone said that being a radiologist is being in front a computer for so long and occupies so much time spending your free time watching streamers sounds like torture.
Arguments against Ethan: TenMuses' self account lines with dad, unlikely yet not impossible that he has enough money to gift 300k.

Ethan's footprint indicates sexual assault which has spawned side theories that either Ethan gets hush money he throws at F1NN or Ethan was groomed into transition.

I think that's it. Lemme know if I missed something so can edit it.
 
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Arguments against Larry: Mostly just how off it seems for a 50 something radiologist to be into ATLA and femboy streamers.

I am sure the other points will be dissected thoroughly, but a knee jerk response to this one is that 50 something creeps will always be into creepy pervy things.

Femboys are not unusual in that scheme of things. Plenty of older gay men have always gone for feminine looking much younger boys.
 
Yeah, I picked up on that long ago when reading about caroline cossey in my teens. Just without the post modern lingo. But I thought this "chaser = bad, straight men = good" dichotomy only applied to the hardcore "im a real woman" crowd who got srs to actually go stealth because of this exact reason, to filter out the chasers. I thought fin isn't even saying he's a woman. Basically what I'm trying to say is, that if his mind works like you said, wouldn't he also need to go by she/her, have srs and get his documents changed? So confusing.

That’s why a lot of people describe themselves as “queer” even if they are straight.

Queer seems to mean that you want to be included in the LGBTQ for oppression points and acceptance, so you are straight but not like the other straights.

Being an “ally” has become problematic recently as they now seem to get upset about any straight people talking about them for reasons.

I am guessing if pressed, F1NN will call himself queer, pansexual and maybe genderfluid.

The attitude towards chasers is still very strong, but even in the before times the kinds of guys who ended up marrying even a fully surgically altered transsexual would still appear to be “bisexual” or fully aware of the sex change.
Some of them even were instrumental in the surgery decision because they would say they could love the person if only they were a woman.

Which is literally saying they are either a chaser or so far in the closet they are drinking tea with a fawn.
 
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Was trying to put together a “what we know so far” post doing an autistically fine-grained comparison of the evidence for and against Tenmuses being Larry vs Ethan, and found something I think has conclusively solved the issue.

There’s a second tenmuses reddit account (comments, posts from pushpull.io), now-deleted. F1nnster-tenmuses used tenmuses-1 on reddit; I found this one because I was trying to check his reddit comments, assumed his name was just “tenmuses”, and so typed that into pushpull.io. Imagine my surprise when the reddit account that came up has nothing to do with F1nn, and was active 2008-2016.

Initially, I thought it was some aunrelated person who'd happened on the same name. But scrolling through, there's some very interesting stuff going on (all screenshots from the pushpull.io comments link above):

The owner is literary (enough to be making Sappho and muses references in a username):
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Nerdy/sci-fi (lots of posts like this one):
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Is a PCmasterrace guy who builds/repairs his own computers and is clearly very tech-literate:
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Watched atheist youtubers back in 2009 (indication of being a terminally online middle aged dude that youtube might try and shill tranny content to at some point):
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Definitely someone from the USA, implies he lives in Texas:
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Someone who travels and seems to come from money:
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An older person:
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Is conservative slash libertarian, likes politsperging and economics:
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Seems moderate on trans stuff:
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Is clearly a doctor from the amount of medical arguing in their comments (lots of posts like this):
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And importantly, mentions a son who lives/has lived in Portland in a 2011 comment:
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Pre-F1nnster Tenmuses account that’s almost definitely by Larry found let’s goooooo : ) Retard should have picked a different username to trannify twitch streamers under, one which he didn't already have a digital footprint with.

Other interesting things from this account (there's some other weird comments in there about surviving plane crashes and wanting to adopt a kid he saw being yelled at online):

Talks about wanting to move to Idaho because they’re... better for homeschooling? Does this guy have kids younger than Ethan? Also mentions wanting to move to Switzerland at one point. Weird.
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History major with some other shit, pre-doctoring career:
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Also whatever the fuck these posts are:
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This reddit account also mentions a few books by name in 2010 that are not on the Tenmuses goodreads as far as I can tell… but mentions a book (Ishmael; the deleted comment on this post is the tenmuses reddit account) that he “read recently” in 2010 that’s only added to the Goodreads in 2015 (despite the goodreads being active from 2010 onwards). Also mentions in 2009 reading all the Discworld books in order they were written, which also tracks with the glut of Discworld in the Goodreads in 2010 after it was made… This is an extremely autistic track of argumentation to be going down and assumes this guy was actively checking/updating his Goodreads acount in the style of one of those booktok freaks, which he probably was not. But still interesting.

As I said before, the Tenmuse of F1nnster fame uses tenmuses-1 (comments, posts from pushpull.io) as its username. This account was active 2021 to recently. The writing style is very similar to the Larry-tenmuses reddit account above, same verbose slightly arrogant style, albeit with more punctuation-smileys (that I can’t do here because they turn into emotes; note that Larry-tenmuses on reddit does sometimes use the same types of smileys if you scroll far back enough, including the whole “no space between previous punctuation and smiley” thing), exclamation marks, asterisks for italics, and some “old people” text speak like “pls msg” added in.

Brief but illuminating comparison of writing style:
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On the basis of all this, I feel really comfortable saying: Larry is almost undoubtedly tenmuses. Unless his son is running the most invested, involved, and bewilderingly purposeless long con the world has ever heard of. (Or it’s both of them, but Occams razor and the fact that real life is generally not a soap opera says it isn’t), it’s just the dad.

Some other shit I dug up:
  • Here’s Larry’s whitepages info. Nothing immediately interesting that I can see, but maybe one of our resident sleuths can spot something.
  • Ethan graduated Trinity Midland in 2008 in 2008. There’s a blurry photo of him on that page that I’m not gonna repost here because there’s lots of other random 18 year olds in it, but it’s also blurry enough I don’t feel particularly bad linking to it.
  • In 2011-2012 at Reed College, an Ethan K Edwards in the maths & statistics department did a senior year thesis: “A (slightly) more general quantum algorithm for the multiplication of group elements”.
  • Here’s Ethan’s whitepages info. (Someone already archived some of this info in this post.) His house in Portland (which he owns) was bought for $635k in 2022.
  • There’s evidence of someone I think is Ethan’s partner/wife, who he seems to have been cohabiting with for at least the past few years. She is an actual woman with almost no internet presence (beyond a few bits, including something that conclusively confirmed her as non-troon). I feel reluctant to drag her into this unless we get any proof that makes me think Ethan is tenmuses (based on the reddit accounts, I feel strongly that tenmuses is Larry), and if you’re annoyed with that decision then you can cry about it in replies.
    Her probable existence does, however, put paid to the “well Ethan can just sit in his room and coom all day because he’s a single troon” argument – I’m not sure if they’re still co-habiting, but it seems like they were 2022-2023 at absolute minimum, which is after tenmuses first popped up and during a period he was very active in. So Ethan would have had someone hanging around asking why he’s watching femboys on the internet for hours a day just as much as dad would.
 

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This probably implies u/tenmuses has no relation to u/TenMuses-1 or Larry... the fact that Finn´s TenMuses had to pick a different username with a -1 added probably relates to the fact that when he was subscribing to Reddit, his username was already taken.
…so there’s two older doctors from Texas who watch youtube and use reddit and have sons in Portland in 2011 and have read Ishmael and the whole Discworld series, who both happen to have picked the same internet handle to use? Because we know all of those things about F1nn’s tenmuses from the thread, and all those things are also in the tenmuses (without the -1) reddit account.

To me, that seems like more of a reach than saying that one guy who did a history degree before his MD. Our Larry was born ‘66 and got his medical degree in ‘97. He’d have been 31. There’s time there to do a degree beforehand.
 
…so there’s two older doctors from Texas who watch youtube and use reddit and have sons in Portland in 2011 and have read Ishmael and the whole Discworld series, who both happen to have picked the same internet handle to use? Because we know all of those things about F1nn’s tenmuses from the thread, and all those things are also in the tenmuses (without the -1) reddit account.

To me, that seems like more of a reach than saying that one guy who did a history degree before his MD. Our Larry was born ‘66 and got his medical degree in ‘97. He’d have been 31. There’s time there to do a degree beforehand.
Yeah, you are right... it just seems weird to create a new account with almost the same username to cover your tracks. The emote to end the sentence is a major link between the accounts as well.
 
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All of the evidence posted by Nothing To See Here is very compelling, but it doesn't account for Ethan's Facebook page being deleted within minutes of being posted here.

Unless Larry lurks here and also somehow has access to his son's Facebook account, so he was able to shut it down immediately (perhaps with the aim of preventing his son being alerted about this situation)?
 
All of the evidence posted by Nothing To See Here is very compelling, but it doesn't account for Ethan's Facebook page being deleted within minutes of being posted here.

Unless Larry lurks here and also somehow has access to his son's Facebook account, so he was able to shut it down immediately (perhaps with the aim of preventing his son being alerted about this situation)?
It wasn´t minutes and at the point we realized the account was out, F1nn´s discord already was talking about the dox. They tipped off whomever they had to tip off.
 
All of the evidence posted by Nothing To See Here is very compelling, but it doesn't account for Ethan's Facebook page being deleted within minutes of being posted here.

Unless Larry lurks here and also somehow has access to his son's Facebook account, so he was able to shut it down immediately (perhaps with the aim of preventing his son being alerted about this situation)?
That's easily explained in nothing's theory, there's several explanations even.
1. Larry is still lurking in finn's discord, saw them talking about ethan's dox and alerted ethan
2. Ethan is lurking in finn's discord, saw them talking about ethan's dox and closed his facebook
3. Random discord kittens talking about ethan's dox sought him out and alerted him to it
 
All of the evidence posted by Nothing To See Here is very compelling, but it doesn't account for Ethan's Facebook page being deleted within minutes of being posted here.

Unless Larry lurks here and also somehow has access to his son's Facebook account, so he was able to shut it down immediately (perhaps with the aim of preventing his son being alerted about this situation)?
It was 26 hours between the two events: Someone linked his FB account on the Farms. An hour later, someone posts a screenshot of F1nnster’s discord saying Kiwifarms is doxing Tenmuses. Approximately 26 hours after the FB link is posted, Ethan’s LinkedIn is found, but it’s already been deleted. Minutes after the LinkedIn find, we get the first post to confirm that Ethan’s FB has been hidden/privated.

That’s fast, but not absurdly fast. Time enough for daddy to message and say he’s being targeted by cybercriminals and Ethan needs to lock down. Alternatively, Ethan’s a
Portland troon who did a maths degree and used to roleplay on and has a current AO3 account; he’s probably pretty online and has therefore probably heard of the F1nnster and tenmuses thing. If he knew his dad used that as a username (the oldest tenmuses account is 2009 if I remember correctly, so Ethan would have been just off to college) then he may have been proactively monitoring the situation for a while so he could DFE in the event of a dox to avoid getting caught in dad’s fallout.

Oh and to stamp the “but the name!!!!” argument on the head while we’re at it: Ethan has been internet they/themming since 2011. He’s been calling himself a trans woman on Reddit since 2018, prior to Finn even using the name “Rose” on stream as per the OP. No mention of when Ethan started going by “Briar” (though it’s not crazy to think that he’d already picked it by 2018, if he was already calling himself a trans woman on Reddit), but the Elizabeth is probably because he’s got a female relative called Elizabeth (maybe his mother, from this post?), so may have just taken her name as his middle name. Without the Elizabeth, the Rose/Briar connection is a bit tenuous if you ask me. Might just be a really weird coincidence. Might be that he talked with Larry about name options and Larry encouraged Briar. Impossible to know unless we track down a source that shows Ethan using Briar pre-2019 ideally (or pre-2022 when tenmuses gets on the F1nnster scene).

Also:
  • karijou account on a Silent Hill forum, I can’t see any more without making an account and I can’t be bothered.
  • Edwards family Switzerland trip in 2010, which is about when the u/tenmuses account is mentioning thinking about moving to Switzerland. That post mentions three kids under 5, which tracks with the u/tenmuses account talking about going to Idaho for homeschooling purposes around 2010 or a little later.
  • In 2010, Ethan was in college and probably about 20; those kids are, at oldest, 19 currently. Don’t like that. Also don’t like that Ethan says his dad is stressed about the young kids, and the u/tenmuses account talks about at one point trying to track down a boy he saw get shouted at by his mum in a social media video, to adopt said boy. Don’t like that at all.
 
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