Inactive Audrey E. Hale / Aiden E. Hale - Troon Terrorist

[Unifier of Hispania]

I agree with the consensus here that these shooters should be mocked, not glorified. However, I think that making public everything that Audrey wrote would actually be counterproductive in relation to that goal. Even the most deranged lolcows have one or another sympathetic trait that shows up when their stories are platformed. If it turned out, for example, that Audrey really was abused, as some here suspect, many abused girls would feel justified in shooting up innocent people. Do not underestimate the normie capacity to empathize with the assholest of assholes just because the tiniest bad thing happened to them, because general society is much more empathetic than Kiwi Farms is, even when it comes to obnoxious people (the unspoken dark side of being emotional and wanting to see the good in everyone or to have a small silver lining that the world isn't fucked up beyond fixing is that a lot of people get undeserved empathy).

I'm all for publicizing the bad and embarassing stuff that she did, said or thought, provided that anything minimally redeeming be left secret.

 

[Samhain]

@Unifier of Hispania I agree for the most part. One of the best things about the Elliott Rodger incident was that his manifesto and journals provided an insane amount of cringe inducing material. Only the most deranged people can read that stuff and come away with any opinion other than that kid should've been aborted.

 

[Catboy Ranch]

I agree with the consensus here that these shooters should be mocked, not glorified. However, I think that making public everything that Audrey wrote would actually be counterproductive in relation to that goal. Even the most deranged lolcows have one or another sympathetic trait that shows up when their stories are platformed. If it turned out, for example, that Audrey really was abused, as some here suspect, many abused girls would feel justified in shooting up innocent people. Do not underestimate the normie capacity to empathize with the assholest of assholes just because the tiniest bad thing happened to them, because general society is much more empathetic than Kiwi Farms is, even when it comes to obnoxious people (the unspoken dark side of being emotional and wanting to see the good in everyone or to have a small silver lining that the world isn't fucked up beyond fixing is that a lot of people get undeserved empathy).

I'm all for publicizing the bad and embarassing stuff that she did, said or thought, provided that anything minimally redeeming be left secret.

not one minute of abuse she supposedly got is worth one iota of sympathy; that is more dangerous than anything, because it smells like your on the path to writing a blank check. I am so fucking sick of monsters being whitewashed over like that. Yes, yes it's totally relevant to how she was brainwarped--I get it. But without prefacing that with a hard disclaimer in front of it you're going to sound like her defense attorney (had she not gotten snuffed out), and that's creepy.

What really needs to happen is all these "trans activists" need their faces rubbed in this shit hard, and loudtalk them down and talk over them. No, no you are not being genocided---you are doing the murdering. Nearly every troon that is doing time for a jail sentence is on charges for being a pedo or a sex pest, it's more common than drug possession, and they are the only group that are like that.

Remember what they all did after she killed those kids? They organized and chanted----for the respectability of that fucking monster. Fuck the kids who died. They kept trying to include her in the victim count, and they all knew she was a murderer. They all wanted to pretend it was some random freak event and weave it into their bullshit activism.


It shouldn't take a Blaire White video 9 weeks after shit blows up for these faketrannies to feel the heat. They should be curb stomped before they can even finish clipping their TikTok video.

 

[Samhain]

What really needs to happen is all these "trans activists" need their faces rubbed in this shit hard, and loudtalk them down and talk over them

This won't work. We're talking about deeply unwell people here. They will jump through every psychological hoop to arrive at whatever preconceived notions they already hold. They aren't logical thinkers. They'll reflexively react as if you desire to toss them all in a mass grave. They'll just become more inured in their perceived victimhood and respond violently.

They kept trying to include her in the victim count, and they all knew she was a murderer

And stuff like this is exactly what I'm talking about. You can't change the minds of insane people.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

provided that anything minimally redeeming be left secret.

If it turns out she was being groomed by glowies into shooting up kids, that would be somewhat redeeming (to a point) and that alone still deserves to be publicized. She was already fucked up to begin with, but how do you just naturally go from lusting after Pokémon to playing sexual reenactments with stuffed animals to gunning down children? That idea was put into her head and I don't think it was from jilling to rule 34 fan-art.

 

[Samhain]

how do you just naturally go from lusting after Pokémon to playing sexual reenactments with stuffed animals to gunning down children?

Her shrinks confirmed she already had thoughts of perpetrating a school shooting while she was in middle school. Police reports revealed she had an interest in the Columbine shooters. My guess is she ran across "Columbiners" and the "true crime community" on Tumblr or something. Those groups are full of mentally defective young women with bad cases of hybristophilia. They cosplay as mass shooters, listen to the favorite music of mass shooters, get tattoos of mass shooters. Lots of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold fangirls in those "communities," and Hale seemed to be one of them.

 

[Catboy Ranch]

This won't work. We're talking about deeply unwell people here. They will jump through every psychological hoop to arrive at whatever preconceived notions they already hold. They aren't logical thinkers. They'll reflexively react as if you desire to toss them all in a mass grave. They'll just become more inured in their perceived victimhood and respond violently.


And stuff like this is exactly what I'm talking about. You can't change the minds of insane people.

You forget they're attention-starved and always seeking validation.

When you get in your car and go march at the state capitol for a pooner that murdered elementary school kids, it should be a no-brainer to move people like that, including all the "allys", into the Untouchables caste.

You can't reason with the insane but they still respond to fear.


If I remember right, even that libertarian faggot Robby Soave (of Reason Magazine) joined in that fucked chorus of people pounding their fists on the table to hide the Trannyfesto. None of them could give a single convincing explanation why. And when Crowder did finally leak parts of it out was any single person fucking surprised at its contents.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Her shrinks confirmed she already had thoughts of perpetrating a school shooting while she was in middle school.

What middle schooler hadn't though about shooting up their hellhole of a school at least once tbh?

But alright, she was broken from the start. However, others have pointed out that the guns had to come from somewhere. How did she get them on her meager pay, and from who? Were these legit legal purchases or black market purchases? Did she detail this in her journal and this is why they won't release the manifesto because the Internet sleuths would've doxed her sellers?

 

[Samhain]

What middle schooler hadn't though about shooting up their hellhole of a school at least once tbh?

But alright, she was broken from the start. However, others have pointed out that the guns had to come from somewhere. How did she get them on her meager pay, and from who? Were these legit legal purchases or black market purchases? Did she detail this in her journal and this is why they won't release the manifesto because the Internet sleuths would've doxed her sellers?

She legally purchased them with federal Pell Grants she received. The real question here is how the hell did she hide multiple firearms and the ammunition from her parents? They were aware of at least some of the guns and made her sell them, but how did they miss all the others? Her parents didn't seem to be aware of how fucked up she was, but they knew she was mentally unwell. How did they not search her room for any weapons she might have been hiding? Her parents were negligent.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

How did they not search her room for any weapons she might have been hiding?

If they had just once searched her room, they would've found her mutilated stuffed animals and then throw themselves a pity party about where they went wrong with her. Seems like they at least believed in some kind of privacy to not have noticed.

 

[Manimal House]

I agree with the consensus here that these shooters should be mocked, not glorified. However, I think that making public everything that Audrey wrote would actually be counterproductive in relation to that goal.

Completely agree that Hale shouldn't be given any victimhood status, but if it turns out to be true that Vanderbuilt created this mental case and is spending resources to keep details under wraps, then blowing the lid off the cover-up supercedes that.

 

[BigGuyOS 6 : Jovial Janny]

She legally purchased them with federal Pell Grants she received. The real question here is how the hell did she hide multiple firearms and the ammunition from her parents? They were aware of at least some of the guns and made her sell them, but how did they miss all the others? Her parents didn't seem to be aware of how fucked up she was, but they knew she was mentally unwell. How did they not search her room for any weapons she might have been hiding? Her parents were negligent.

I think they definitely knew. They're just doing the shooter parent thing of "we had no way of knowing, there weren't any warning signs!" I mean, where where the warnign signs? Your 28 year old autistic child lives at home and has no job. She has 21 years of history with the psych ward. She recently has started saying her name is Aiden and is actually a man. You caught her hiding guns from you she has no means to purchase, and likely cannot legally own due to her mental history you know about. She has no friends and has never been in a romantic relationship. Where where the warning signs?

 

[Manimal House]

I think they definitely knew. They're just doing the shooter parent thing of "we had no way of knowing, there weren't any warning signs!" I mean, where where the warnign signs? Your 28 year old autistic child lives at home and has no job. She has 21 years of history with the psych ward. She recently has started saying her name is Aiden and is actually a man. You caught her hiding guns from you she has no means to purchase, and likely cannot legally own due to her mental history you know about. She has no friends and has never been in a romantic relationship. Where where the warning signs?

The fucked up part is: what COULD they have done about that? They already put her in the mental institution and it's evident that she just got worse. If they reported the gun purchases then she might have been sent to jail (which in hindsight would have been a better outcome but there aren't many parents that would put their kid in a prison cell). It's likely that they knew, but it's also just as likely that they had no idea what they were supposed to do about it so they didn't do anything.

 

[Samhain]

The fucked up part is: what COULD they have done about that? They already put her in the mental institution and it's evident that she just got worse. If they reported the gun purchases then she might have been sent to jail (which in hindsight would have been a better outcome but there aren't many parents that would put their kid in a prison cell). It's likely that they knew, but it's also just as likely that they had no idea what they were supposed to do about it so they didn't do anything.

I'm a major 2A supporter and I abhor red flag laws, as they tend to be vague and run the risk of being abused, but Hale should've been put on a psychiatric hold and had her guns taken away. But you're correct that almost no parent would want to do that to their child. Now her parents have to live with the guilt that they could've done something to avoid what happened, but didn't.

 

[Dieter Laser]

She tells the authorities multiple times what was going to happen and they just ignore it. 20 years of bad psych care or 20 years of glowie grooming…

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Crude reality is that, sadly, there are too many people out there who have been abused in the worst possible ways in childhood and they still don't shoot kids. They rather hurt themselves.

The diary doesn't prove that she was full of rage, but rather that she was fed with some sense for her rage to have a distinctive target to hurt.

 

[Throng of Titans]

She tells the authorities multiple times what was going to happen and they just ignore it. 20 years of bad psych care or 20 years of glowie grooming…

Unfortunately, the authorities rarely give a fuck unless it's already too late. The justice and legal system are seldom proactive, and will give endless do-overs and second chances unless some egregious line is crossed... and even then, they often back down. Chris Chan himself is a great example, repeat offender of various crimes, fucked his own likely demented mom, and still got off on time served with no real ping to his record.

As easy as it is to blame the glowies, it's more likely that none of them fucking cared until kids were dying.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

As easy as it is to blame the glowies, it's more likely that none of them fucking cared even when kids were dying

Fixed it for you.

 

[Dieter Laser]

Fixed it for you.

You mean unless children aren’t dying.

 

[VideoViewer69]

I feel like im being madela effected...didn't this shooter have a fur affinity account?