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Yeah, so once he joins the stage, I'm waiting for him to tell me. He's on the stage. Okay. So you can, his name is Cruben with a K. K is like Hulu. Okay. Once he's up. I think you gotta, I think you gotta actually say, wait hold on here, let me see, let's show requests. You gotta make a request. Oh, raise your hand, Ruben. Raise your hand. Or I can, here, I can, or I can invite, there we go. Oh. Oh, that works too.
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Okay, and there should be a prompt to accept okay cool so How do you hear us? I I didn't see all of his video, but I watched his last one kind of rallying his fans against you or at least trying to invoke a lot of debate bro stuff to Undermine your arguments. I brought up my contentions I had with a lot of that stuff to include the group chat that I'm in right this second That had an SFW. There's this
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big perception in his community that there is no NSFW but phishing admits outwardly like yeah it was as NSFW. Oh yeah and I said as much in the news as well yeah. And can you stop calling it a sans twerking gif? It's very clearly porn. It's like rule 34. Uh that's I mean that's fair the only reason so the only reason I called it that is because I knew about that joke when it was circulating so in the context that I saw it I never saw the full so. And um it's not it's not on tenor either because you can't have.
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Yeah, it's a media. She saved that. And I wasn't saying that I wasn't saying that that one specifically was on tenor. I was just saying, Okay. And there was other stuff via tenor. There is like Zootopia rule 34. So we also discussed the context of that one. So that one as well as one of the other, I mean, Tyler, you could say it if you. Oh, okay. Um, so that was just me venting about something, uh, about being called a zoo file for liking that. Yeah. And I posted that context and I.
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I still don't think that's okay, but there is other stuff too, like you posted a link. Yeah. You posted a link to it. Again, yeah, no, we're not saying that any of this shit was unfair. I'm not like, trying to like, uh- Yeah, well let me finish here, because this part is kind of important. You posted a link to a gore website, and I visited the front page of that website, and there's videos of like, fisting and shit like that. So, I wanted to clarify, to mediate, okay, so I brought up all of these things, and how they're bad, obviously. They-
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want to distance themselves from this completely. They want to take a hard stance in their community against all forms of degeneracy and any type of NSFW that involves minors, even given past track records. Um, it's very noble. It is. And it's a question of will it be followed through? But we also, we also, that was a part of the thing that I also announced in the announcement video from like a week ago at this point that I was like cracking down on the, that we were going to, even though it's cause this was a part of the thing that me and Jamal had initially put forward.
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for over a year of people drawing me as a furry femboy. I also didn't, like, this is stuff that I don't, I don't moderate my own server. So like, I- That's a serious problem. If people post stuff I read in my server. No, I agree, no, no, I agree with you. That's why we're not doing it anymore. How would you, okay, how would you feel about having-
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a neutral third party have like a red phone to you or to a mod. So that's what I said. That's what I think. I'm pretty sure I said that in the announcement as well as that. Like if like, uh, I think it was in, no, I think it was in the message that I was either drafting or that I sent to Ruben that I said something. I was going to say something like, uh, you know, next time, if there's something like that, then just let me know. Like, we'll just, cause I would be more than happy to do that. There's another thing that I want to address because you said that I broke our agreement.
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of the ceasefire agreement. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if you remember me talking to you about this. I do. I think you broke the ceasefire agreement when you insinuated that I was a pedophile in that series of videos you posted on Twitter. Do you want me to read you the message that you said? So, so, so, okay. Yeah. No, no, no. And that's why. Well, that's why I took that one down because the, you know, that was like, that was, you told me that you were going to bring up stuff.
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prior to our conversation and instead you clipped part of the conversation to insinuate that I was a pedophile. Like that's not you breaking the agreement we had. I- I mean, I guess. I guess it is. Then why did you say in the video that I broke the agreement and that I was the first one to start talking shit? Fucking, like, I- you know, cause I brought that- Because you're fucking retarded? Hold on, hold on. This is a- If you said that, I would accept that answer.
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This is a- did you do a retarded thing by- by breaking an agreement? Like, I don't want this to be- Okay, so let's just- let's just- let's just go here. So, Ruben made a tweet accusing my girlfriend of sexual harassment. That clip was used to counter that tweet accusing my girlfriend of sexual harassment. I mostly said in that video- Let me finish, please. Let me finish, please.
04:56
I falsely said in that video that Tyler was 17. She was not 17. That was an honest belief that I had given the, like, the overwhelming amount of art that was surfaced from that account is from when she was 17. So it was, it was, I was wrong. I was wrong. And I took it down. In hindsight, could you have like, quote tweeted with just like a message from Tyler being like, Hey, what I did was fucking stupid. I'm over that shit. If you think it's okay, then you should be out of this community. So he did that. But the way he did it was that,
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Ruben didn't sexually harass my 17 year old girlfriend. He sexually harassed my 18 year old girlfriend. That's the way that he phased it. And that's very bad faith if that is the case. That would be. I think we can agree that nobody wants things to keep escalating nonetheless. And it wouldn't be fair. The crazy thing is he said this after I had made a tweet telling people not to spam his replies, not to spam his YouTube comments.
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I was really trying to let it die and then they had to come out and post that I'm of the genuine so again the reason that I posted that is specifically because people were like saying all this like you're a Liar you did this that is that you what does that have to do? What does that have to do with that? What do you how does that justify you saying that I'm sexually harassing your girlfriend? People pointing that was an incredibly disgusting comment that you made. I mean that was not okay The she was a disgusting thing of her to do
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to draw Five Nights at Freddy's porn. She drew Roblox porn too, by the way. I don't know if you've seen that. I think I brought that up to you. And she was an adult when she did that. Okay, I don't think that's, I don't think that makes that what you said okay. I think what you said was still disgusting. So what's happening? Okay. That's fair. You can think that what I said was disgusting. Both parties are in a discussion. I agree, it was disgusting. Yeah, both parties. That was kind of the point.
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are in a position where they feel as though the other party initiated it. In phishing, you might have broken the ceasefire, I think you did. Does he really think I initiated it? Does he really think that I'm the one that broke our agreement? I don't really believe that. I like I can understand. No, I mean, I can understand what you're saying. I can understand what you're saying. At the same time, it's not just like you understand, it's that I'm right. Because you told me that all you were going to do is clear up misinformation.
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that was again that's why i'd sort of conversation and you said twice you said prior to our conversation and you left up the other tweets that had close yet you you had you had the you and you were accusing my girlfriend of sexual harassment prior to the conversation and and and so you said that you're gonna post stuff prior to the conversation you didn't say that you're gonna click things that i said to make me look like a bad guy
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Yeah, so that's in the in so you keep saying like oh I can see how you would think that but that's that's the way it is I had an agreement with you I told you that if you violated your end then I would I would continue to talk about you and your girlfriend Uh, yeah, okay, so i'll okay so i'll say this much um Like assuming you did break the ceasefire, which it sounds to me like you did what spurred you was
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people bringing stuff up to your attention that had either previously been leaked or were coming from Ben's community. Obviously, I think we can come to consensus that it was wrong to break it at that point. In the back and forth thing, we can probably go back to the beginning of time to the who started it and it might have been you. But the most productive thing and beneficial thing to do for this community would be for
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you know, fish. No, I'm not, look, I'm not gonna die on this hill. Like, I'm not gonna die on this fucking hill. Like, I don't, if, like, I don't care, you could say, you know, I broke the ceasefire agreement. I'll say, okay, sure, I broke the ceasefire agreement. I don't think that that justifies then going on and saying, you know, X, Y, and Z, just lying and posting out of context, Creech. What is X, Y, and Z, and what did I lie about?
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Okay, you just I mean like the tweets you made in the past week is riddled with like a bunch of lies You posted it like shit saying that like and this isn't even a matter of you just posted shit That's like factually wrong. So I Let me finish you Dude, you keep cutting me off. You posted a love letter saying that I wrote it I did not write that that was Tyler writing to me You posted fucking shit in like the past like you posted shit today. This just like horribly out of context
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I'm not gonna I'm not gonna I'm not gonna. Okay hold on so for- You also posted the George Floyd thing as if Tyler was laughing at that. In fact that fucking thing that Tyler was posting was Tyler showing someone else why they shouldn't follow that artist. You posted that and then the context was neutered from it completely to make it look like Tyler was posting a fucking George Floyd tweet. You want me to delete the George Floyd tweet? I want you to just shut the fuck up. Well I mean there's a lot to talk about here.
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between the gore website and the zoophilia and the... let's try to go point for point and just hash out every other thing so we're not dish galloping and covering every single topic because things will quickly escalate so number one, there is, put this in the response video it's the screenshot if you have his twitter up, they do get punished of course they don't it'll look sus but legit, I swear on my life the amount of zoostuff I've seen is in fucking Sane bruh now from a neutral third party
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This can be viewed in one of two ways. Either one, I consume a lot of zoo content, or two, I've seen a lot of bullshit from this community. Which of those things do you think it was? Fishing. The second one. Okay. It's the second one. Okay. Now, but to say that Ben would be lying when he posted that, and there's definitely the possibility of if you're a furry and if you draw NSFW, that a reasonable person could assume that it could have been the first one, right? I mean.
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It could there's actually what I assume and can I explain the process that went that led to me posting this so I was invited to a group chat that all of these miners were in with Tyler and they kicked her out so she couldn't delete her old messages. And there were like tens of thousands of messages that she had with these kids and what they were doing was they were pinning messages that they thought were inappropriate and so.
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All I was doing was going through and looking at all the pinned stuff. And the stuff that I thought was especially heinous, I posted on Twitter. And there was a lot. Okay. If I were to scroll through these messages, you would see like dozens of them. So, and, and what of the stuff, what of, what of the guy who, uh, I, I, I didn't, I didn't, I never said that you worked with him directly by the way. Uh, but you did get, I can tell from the stuff that you posted that you did get a fair amount of the shit from him.
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Cholo, uh, okay. Cholo is not in any of the group chats that I'm in. Literally the first time I heard that name was when I watched your video. So, but okay. That's why I said, I'm not accusing you of working directly with him, but you did, you did in your video. You did get shit from him. You did. I think everything that I posted, I got, I screenshotted myself.
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from these group chats. No, but I'm saying you got, okay, like the love letter and shit that you posted and all. And then, and like. Yeah, so Tyler posted that herself in this group chat. And I can pull that up for you if you want. Okay, so one point at a time. So Ruben had the reasonable assumption, granted that the bridge was burned, communication, he felt as though there was no point because he broke a ceasefire. He saw this long string of text, he was like, hey, you know, this was probably sent by phishing. He's just being.
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wild, unhinged internet behavior. Um, obviously that was a misunderstanding. I don't think that he knowingly posted that. I'm not going to read all of that. I, I, nobody wants you to, you're okay. I thought that was a stupid point where you're like, how did you not read two paragraphs to get to the point where you could tell it was sent by Tyler? But to settle, to settle the verdict on the July 16th. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait
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Oh, oh, well, I mean- To settle a point on the July 16th tweet of I surround my wife the amount of zoo stuff I've seen We can agree that a reasonable person that is poised against the community that has, you know, has this perception of Tyler would assume, and you know, not rightfully so, we know now but would assume that it's I've been exposed to a lot of zoo stuff because I consume it as opposed to I've seen a lot of bullshit because I'm around it So, that is a misconception that we have just broken That's fair
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The one with the tweets if you want me to. The one with the George Floyd one. We have the context for that. It was, this is bullshit. Don't fucking, um, when I saw that message, I was like, Holy, how are you going to fucking post that? Um, but I see, because nobody had that context. Okay. Um, the thing about bribing, that's the next one. That's what I said. I said in the, I said in the video as well, that was mainly on, that one was mainly on the guys for like, for, for kind of that one. So, so there's still exists the perception within the community.
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And just from a layman's view that that could be considered a bribe I understand you were trying to give him a sunk cost and that you were trying to help him with this bribe Even if it's a sunk cost he's offering him $100 to take down his video So that was it so that wasn't a hundred dollars for him to take down his video That was because in conversation he had said he had said oh I want a new mic to get something and we said specifically said he was like how much is a new mic? I said like you can probably go on for like a hundred dollars and he was like a hundred dollars I don't have that kind of money
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And I empathize with him and that's the same reason that I said that I would give him exposures because I empathize with him and I thought he was like a chill dude and I had a good conversation with him. Yeah, let me read the message so everyone can hear what it is. Sure, go ahead. I'll read it for you right now. I can dig it up myself. Go ahead, please. I'll make one final offer before I go through with this. To make up for the loss of the video, I can PayPal you $100.
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So you can buy a microphone to pursue the kind of videos you want to make. I'd also be down to collaborate on something to help more get, get more traction for you on your channel. If you want to take it or leave it. I just want this shit to be over. Making a whole video takes a lot when you could just take down what you said in the first place and save all of us so much time and effort. Right. You said, I'll make you one final offer to make up for the loss of the video. I could pay pal you $100. That's not a bribe. That's not you offering him money to take down his video.
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It was offering him money to get him a fucking mic. Okay, but in hindsight- In exchange for him taking down his video, it doesn't matter what he uses the money for. You probably didn't think too deep into the message while you were writing it, but in hindsight, could you see how this could- I can see it, but again, he said that he would take the damn thing down. That's what it is. So, I mean- You said you'll make him one final offer. He said he would take it down. That's the offer. Why would you offer him money if you think he's already gonna take it down?
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Because he was like on the edge, because he was on the edge of it, because he was like He was on the edge, so you tried to push him over the edge by offering him a hundred dollars. No, by giving him the one thing that I knew he was losing. Because he told you that he was struggling financially and that he couldn't afford a microphone so you wave a hundred dollar bill in front of his face. You make it sound more malicious than it actually is when it was me fucking like being, that's not okay. So so but you understand how that is the perception that may not have been your intent but the way it was put out.
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That's the perception that exists. That's how the other guy took it. I think any reasonable person would see it as a bribe. And that's entirely fair. If you neuter the context of all, like the entire conversation that I have with the venture. The context that phishing is invoking is prior to, it seemed like they had reached an agreement that- We had, not even we seemed, we had. So an agreement was reached. Was reached, that's the context. Now, if that affects it being a bribe or not, we're gonna have to dig into this a lot.
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But you could see how that like the dude money is obviously something I can motivate him him not having a lot of money This is something he's passionate about you could see how he empathized with the guy I yeah, I wasn't I just empathize with you dude. I just I you know when you have place of love is when you Okay, you I mean I have the whole thing like I have the whole conversation with him we were friendly by the end and we were friendly and he we were asked he was asking me for like tips on like
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video making and asking me just about what I do and stuff and saying that he was interested and he said that we're like You know, we're not so different and I agreed and it was like it was it was from a place of genuine companionship because I felt like I was like, you know, like I I I understand what it feels like to Like what that amount of like views and traction could mean one at that level at any point Did he offer to take his video down in exchange for you taking your video down? No
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That was not a part of the agreement. And actually when we started the conversation, he actually specifically said, we're not talking about the Rubin stuff because you guys have already settled that. And I agreed to it. The whole thing about him- He never said, if you take down your video, I'll take down mine. He never said that. He said that afterwards. He said that after our conversation. Oh, he did tell you. And what was your response to that? I said, we already, okay, I'll just read it. You said no is what you said.
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Well, I said, yeah, but I said that's because we already had come to an agreement and that was not a part of it Okay, okay Just as a quick interlude. I discussed with him his original video I don't know that came up with you between y'all two and your DMS about the bit chute thing the guilt by association Fallacy and housing correct. Okay You said in your own message that ignore the racist bullshit meaning you obviously don't endorse it bitch shoot is unhinged You're just posting it there to keep it there because you know, it won't get taken down
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That is it. We came to the agreement that that's probably why. Yeah. And I want to add for the record that the reason my videos were being taken down isn't because of any community guidelines strike. It was all over copyright. I know. It was copyright. I said that in the video as well. I said that in the video as well. And so the reason that that got lost in the translation and came across as bad faith is because his rhetorical strategy was to invoke you using these fallacies.
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and then him using the same fallacies against you. But that gets lost in translation due to the length of the video, so you kind of lose track and you're like, oh shit. You know, that was something I said about like probably 30 minutes ago. That is like, yeah, the more people I've seen saying that, that like, because at first I took it as like, oh, forget it.
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These people are idiots, they don't understand what a rhetorical device is. But I think it's also just like, you know, you can't expect someone to watch a full fucking... Yeah, listen, I have a very well fleshed out understanding of rhetorical devices, and it even went over my head that you were invoking the same rhetorical device. So that's, once again, like, misunderstanding shit, okay? A majority of this seems to be misunderstandings, minus the bribe thing, that could be a fundamental disagreement. There... we...
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Earlier, before you got into the call, we did discuss the furry community's propensity for what we would view as degenerate actions and how they choose the worst fucking people to speak on their behalf. Tyler agreed to it. Fishing agreed to it. They're both very uncomfortable with how the community does those things. I also brought up his proximity to- his proximity to an NSFW artist by his own admission and hers. She's like moved away from that shit. I understand- For over a year, yeah.
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Yes, people may not agree that that could be a coping mechanism. I don't fucking major in psychology, so I wouldn't know. But whether or not it's a valid coping mechanism, like, it's a pretty wise thing to do as a Roblox content creator to distance yourself from that. If she stopped doing it, great, cool. That's a major issue that is ticked off the list. You're... Okay, so this is another thing I brought up, and I think you should address this directly with Ben. The contention that... And I held this exact same contention.
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One of the dumbest things in the world you can do, I understand you have a platform, we discussed it earlier, is to egg on the shitty image board people who want nothing more than to see you get swatted, doxed, and harassed for the rest of your life. Yeah, and put on a steak. Yeah, no, I, no, no, no, I, I, I, I, I own that to an extent. So, knowing this much, there's a, there's a difference between if Ben makes a, a prodding like, yeah guys, like, look at what this idiot said, and then,
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you come out and say, yeah, by the way, wrong address, idiots. Um, I, I'm not victim blaming, but I'm saying, I'm saying you do bear part of the blame for provoking people, um, that we know to be unhinged on those. Okay. I've been swatted before and I understand the knee jerk reaction to go online and post about it. Because you want to tell people like what this horrible thing has happened to you.
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But I don't know if you remember the end of the swatting video, I brought up how the last thing you should ever do if you've been swatted is to post about it. Because what you're basically doing is telling the swatters that they have the right address and that their actions have a serious impact on your life. And so I think that... So, so, and I think this is just another thing that I think just probably is like more of just a fundamental disagreement, but... Like, from...
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The reasons which I've posted about it or given it like that airtime is and I've fucking talked to the people who have Swatted me some of them. I'm like cool with and you know friends with now, but I don't know I I just Yeah, yeah, I'm friends with them I've talked to them so one of them even last year actually apologized on behalf of like his other is like whole group who?
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Um, yeah, and I don't know like I okay if you're a swatter Yeah, what would you want to see when you swat somebody? Do you want to see them just go radio silent and like oh shit? Nothing happened or would you want to see them go public and like that that'd be your jet fuel that'd be like oh shit Like we fucking got him and he's mad and he's talking about us But these people if you're if you're doing this for the swatters Okay If you're doing this to tell him like a big fuck you and to stand up because you have the platform and you feel as though You're safe enough to say these things
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Sure, but you're not going to change their mind. We know that they're not the most logical of people. If you're doing it to your own audience to be like, hey, you know, I've been through the same shit, the internet's a dangerous place, keep your shit safe, you can deliver that message in a way that's not actively poking the bear, the bear that doesn't listen to reason. I think that's one of Ruben's main contentions. I might, correct me if I'm wrong, is that if you're quote unquote bringing it upon yourself, that he can't be fully to blame because...
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Sure, he could have posted something that they used as a justification. Um, but he's not the one telling them to SWAT and telling the SWATers like, Hey, try me, like, try it, try it now. You know, that's not a good thing in the long run. I understand where you're coming from completely, but they're dangerous people just inherently not because they're literally dangerous, but you don't want to, I understand what you're saying. So you have to keep in mind that the police's lives are in danger too. When calls like that are made.
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So are your neighbors at any point they could show up to the wrong address someone could think there's a whole No, oh this point there's a at this point there's a Enough of like it's happened enough times that uh Yeah, they don't fault you for being swatted. I think you made some stupid decisions, but I'm not blaming you for any of that I don't think I Know I know I know and I never I never felt I never felt that that was like that was the
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That's what you were saying either. I just uh the all that all that all that shit like all the swatting shit it all happened so Fast for me as well in like my lifetime of being a content creator. It happened over a span of like Yeah, two so to dispel another thing okay, and this is a big thing and it's being spoken about in your chat right now That was portrayed in your video that me as somebody that knows Ben. I don't agree with it
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I think it's be untrue because I'm a lot of these things. But just straight up here, the hot question. Ruben Sim, do you hate people that have different colored skin than you? No. Do you, yes or no? Because they seem to have this big, okay, cool. I don't, did I ever call, I don't think I ever called you. You have implied over and over again that I raised this. It was heavily.
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Yeah, so it's heavily insinuated. I mean, that's fair. That's fair. These situations are heavily... Even if I didn't say it. Like, some of this shit... So racist, sexist, xenophobic, transphobic, all of these things are applied to him. Not outwardly, right? The same way that you say he dog whistles. So in the same way, I can't like look at like some shit that you say and just be like, ah, you know, god...
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Like it doesn't mean anything, you know what I mean? No, but there's a difference between like memeing on Twitter and just invoking common stereotypes for the walls and Being like, you know, I definitely hate people who change their gender I definitely hate like the the fact of the matter is I think That a big part of the animosity comes from a place where like what if somebody just starts calling you transphobic You know because you made a dank meme post to one of your friends who's trans like ha ha ha look at this
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And then somebody screenshots that and starts posting it everywhere. You know what I mean? Like naturally it would be animosity because you know who you dislike, why you dislike them, and trans people aren't under that umbrella. So him replying with animosity and amping things up, like if by his own admission he does not view people of other races, other genders, other sexualities any differently, would that...
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I'd actually, well, okay, I would just like to pin him down on the- Ruben, what are your thoughts on trans people then? I don't have a problem with trans people. We had a trans mod for Runker for a long time. Yeah, he just posted a Wojak, which it's- unless I literally had him in here, like saying those exact words. What's wrong with the Wojak? That's what I'm saying. Wojaks always portray people in the worst possible- I have a Wojak for the next four. I don't think I ever said anything about that.
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You know you you posted the Ricky Berwick retweet in your last video where Ricky Berwick tweeted a trans wojak He went out and apologized Ruben had that same picture. Um, that's any wojak is going to portray that group in the worst possible way. It wasn't a lesson Wasn't not it was just like no no no it was a see what it was is it was like a little little like dog whistle type thing that I had seen because I had seen multiple people using it before Ruben even posted it
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But it was like a little dog whistle to, um, to be like, Oh, uh, because what Ricky initially had posted was like, Oh, this is your profile pic is like some gorgeous like trans girl. Yeah. And then you actually look like is you're ugly because, you know, and then the other they'll usually follow it up with like, you will never be a woman or like some shit like that. You know? Yeah. And I did, I did bring up, you know, um, at 100% could be viewed as transphobic when he is invoking transphobic language, speaking to a really bad.
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Bad person. Okay. Yes. Um, but oftentimes interactions with bad people We say shit specific to that person that we wouldn't say to people that are our friends even if those people are similar Yeah, was it right? I've heard a lot of people say why didn't you attack ZZ for being a pedophile? Because ZZ is proud of the fact that he's a pedophile. He likes when people call him a pedophile It probably turns him on. I don't even believe that ZZ is trans. I think he's one of those autogynophiles
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gets off and fetishizes the idea of transgenderism. Yeah, and and um... It was very clear by the pictures that he was sending kids in his server. People are bringing up the image, Goon to furry Ruben award, groomed groomer award, uh, I heart, the heart is trans-colored, grooming minors. Um, putting the trans flag on that, okay, um, doesn't mean all transgender people are groomers. It means oftentimes... Wait, what is, wait, what was, what was that? Where, where was that?
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I know what you're talking about. Yeah, it's- Where was that posted? People oftentimes use being trans or any marginalized group as a shield for the bad things that they do. That's- I think that is the extent of the meme. Now, are people gonna take that and run with it? Like, yeah, all trans people groomers. Of course. But if Ruben himself says he's not transphobic, and like, y'all kind of agree on that point, I think it's safe to move on to the next shit, if you guys are both good with where that left off.
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Wait, I'm just curious, where, like, is people, multiple people are mentioning this. Where does this, where does this image come from? Uh... We posted that. Oh, Ruben, you posted that? Yeah. On Twitter too, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, that's, that's what it is. Um, so yeah, that's not him saying I hate trans people, it's just him saying, um, like, dissecting memes. It has the trans flag. But I mean, if you say, if you say, if you say, I trans heart grooming minors, it's like, you know...
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Yeah, it can be viewed that way. That's valid. I thought the way that they drew Tyler was funny. Yeah, I think that's... I see funny meme, monkey brain go brr post. Like it's not coming from a place of hatred. I don't think at least if he begged to differ, he would say so. I have something that I want to talk about. And that's the way that Gone Fishing portrayed the kids that spoke up about how they felt violated by the stuff that Tyler was sending.
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These people told you that they felt uncomfortable That they were struggling with childhood porn addictions and that that was reinforced by the porn that Tyler was sending them and your reaction was That's that's what they were implying they said that they were struggling with porn addiction at that age and And I'm sure it didn't help that your girlfriend was sending No, all they all they said all they said was that they didn't they were young and they
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didn't know what was like, they didn't know right from wrong. They brought that up. Why do you think, and they didn't know right from wrong, and that's why they didn't speak up about it at the time. Or you really get to blame a victim of something like that for not speaking up at the time when you're young? So again, so here's the thing where we come back to the guy who was sending the mass amounts of porn in that group chat. They never spoke up against that guy. They're like buddy buddy with that guy right now. Who is this guy in these group chats?
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Cholo. Okay, let me look for Cholo in this chat. It was probably like an old deleted user of his. He didn't go by Cholo, he went by Zayet. Yeah, it was the Zayet's X-I-E-T-Y-S. That's Cholo? Yep, that's him. Mm-hmm. He's not in this group chat. That's probably because it was like an older user of his.
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