Unpopular Opinions about Video Games

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It's just not. It's an interesting novelty and I have a ton of nostalgia for it and the Dreamcast generally, but it's a terrible game even by the standards of the day.

Leveling up Arm Break Fire with ya boi Fuk-San was my favorite part of that game.

It was really ambitious, I'll give it that.

 

[Vapor Sauce]

And as one last "fuck you", they blamed the lack of sales on the fans. I could go on and on, but all you need to know is that the industry being spiteful and two-faced is nothing new.

I was aware of the PR nightmare and the devs being assholes to fans. I'm not defending that. I just found the gameplay of the reboot enjoyable despite hearing how awful and strange the controls for it is. And the story was tryhard and edgy to the point I found it funny.

DMC2 is the actual overhated game. It's fine, good even. It was just a big step down from DMC1, which was incredible, so a decent follow up was treated like it was unplayable.

I tried DMC2 and honestly it just felt kind of boring to me. It's not bad in the sense a Fallout 76 is where it's a glitchy fuckfest. I think it's mostly like you said; that DMC1 was so good it felt like a downgrade.

 

[Scarthew]

I recently got into the Devil May Cry series and I honestly think the DMC reboot is insanely overhated. I'm not gonna defend how cringe and retarded the story and characters are but the combat, level design, and most of the enemy design is really good. I'll also say I played the definitive edition which I know fixed stuff like adding lock on and making the color coded enemies less bullshit to deal with but I still think a lot of it's gameplay elements are solid. Hardcore mode is interesting in how it changes things like how the style meter functions and it has the must style mode which I also think is a cool idea that should've been in DMC 5. The bosses are pretty mid except for Vergil imo.

DmC is absolutely a great game and not in some cope "its just a bad devil may cry game but its still a good game" way. Its a very competent action game and the main reason people were upset is because of the way the devs spit in the face of the original. Pause combos being chainable between any of the 5 weapons is a neat idea even if cycling between them all is a bit unwieldy, guns are less favorable with pistol and shotgun returning from every game in the series and the only new gun being pretty lame (a problem dmc 4 and V both have). The combo system being tied to damage and every skill in the skill tree being 1 point to buy leads to a train wreck where you spend your first 3 points on drive and suddenly you start as S rank for every fight by opening with drive and its absurd damage. Colored enemies in the original suck not because "it restricts how I want to play" but because armored, heavy and shielded enemies already exist to force specific weapon usage and you'll constantly be bouncing off enemies of the wrong color because they love to sit on top of each other and their hitboxes are too generous. Bosses have the rule of 3s zelda thing going on, they're very lame and the vergil fight is honestly just a worse version of the 3 fight. Its also fortunate they were able to put jump cancelling into the game last second because of player demand allowing for extended air combos because that would've taken a lot of the fun away. Its got issues but its definitely a game I go back to every now and then. Maybe I wouldn't be saying that if the genre wasn't so undersaturated but that makes it even more impressive because making these types of games is difficult.

Despite it being an overall solid action game, I still see people talking about it like it's complete garbage. It's easily better than DMC 2 and I'd argue it's better than DMC 4 which is a rushed and incomplete game.

Now here's where I'll give you some shit, every game is better than DMC2, bubsy 3D is better than DMC2, bad comparison. Its definitely leagues ahead of some of platinums failures like the Korra game and I might even say it has successes on DMCV, but not 4, 4 is an amazingly good game.

DMC V reminds me of BAYO 2 where casual players play them once, enjoy their time and leave content that they made a good follow-up entry to a series. While more dedicated players that really get into the nitty gritty of mechanics hate it. Bayo 2's issues are its scoring and poor balancing but for DMCV its just so dumbed down, not only did they remove advanced tech that was in the original demo version of the game Dante has so many moves that are redundant it was quantity over quality with many aspects of the game, the scoring system is designed around building rank for multiplier then landing a heavy hit. The ways of doing this are so clearly set in stone for Dante you use gunslinger pistol moves to build it then you use real impact to finish it up which also 3 shots most bosses because for some reason they recreated the glitched phantom hits bug. The game is way too easy and the enemies are way too homogenous with 99% of the cast being instantly juggle-able. There's almost no fun action scenes in cutscenes either.

 

[Judge Dredd]

i only ever hear from people who aren't tradcucks complaining about tradcucks complaining

I see it from both sides. The left say it's "sexist" "problematic" and "demeaning". The right call it "degenerate" "coom brained" and "gooner". And both sides use the excuse "just look at porn on the internet".


Thread tax: It's okay to have no heard of a game.

I had never, ever heard of Gimmick before today. Even from nostalgia spergs telling me that Areo the Acrobat is a hidden gem. But now Gimmick 2 was announced and suddenly it was one of the best games on the NES. These people never heard of it until this Nintendo Direct announcement at which point they rushed to wikipedia.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

The second place the hate games from is the PR shit storm where they did everything from paying journalists to fluff up the game and insult fans of the previous games to photoshopping original Dante into a screencap of Brokeback Mountain to basically call fans of the previous games a bunch of faggots.

Fucking based I can't believe how much things changed so fast.

Anything with any hint of sexual will get tradcucks and zoomers mad

That's a huge exaggeration. A good game just doesn't need to rely on sexuality as a crutch, too much of it is a distraction and kinda cringe, it's hard to take it seriously. Final Fantasy would be worse if all the girls were dressed like strippers.

I tried DMC2 and honestly it just felt kind of boring to me. It's not bad in the sense a Fallout 76 is where it's a glitchy fuckfest. I think it's mostly like you said; that DMC1 was so good it felt like a downgrade.

Pretty much. It's a common occurence, same thing happened with Donkey Kong Country 3, though not to such a degree.

bubsy 3D is better than DMC2

I'm sure this is just hyperbole but this is what I'm talking about. DMC2 is treated worse than E.T sometimes, I don't get it.

The graphics and music are good, the gameplay is serviceable, and the story is...there, kinda. The only real problem is the levels are big and empty which makes it feel like a slog to play through, and the minimalistic story doesn't help drive the game forward. That's like 6/10 or 7/10 material.

 

[Scarthew]

I'm sure this is just hyperbole but this is what I'm talking about. DMC2 is treated worse than E.T sometimes, I don't get it.

The graphics and music are good, the gameplay is serviceable, and the story is...there, kinda. The only real problem is the levels are big and empty which makes it feel like a slog to play through, and the minimalistic story doesn't help drive the game forward. That's like 6/10 or 7/10 material.

DMC2 is a broken boring slog of a game, Dominoes is more fun than DMC2. The gameplay is fucking awful, enemies often don't attack at all or have blatant blind spots where they can't hit you, Dante is sluggish and awkward to control his melee swings are weak and leave you vulnerable.

 

[Calandrino]

Thread tax: It's okay to have no heard of a game.

I had never, ever heard of Gimmick before today. Even from nostalgia spergs telling me that Areo the Acrobat is a hidden gem. But now Gimmick 2 was announced and suddenly it was one of the best games on the NES. These people never heard of it until this Nintendo Direct announcement at which point they rushed to wikipedia.

fwiw, I was repping it like a month ago:

• Abadox
• Attack Animal Gakuen
• Gimmick
• Gremlins 2
• Gyruss
• Jackie Chan's Action Kung-Fu
• MiG-29: Soviet Fighter
• Mighty Final Fight
• Monster in My Pocket
• Pac-Man CE
• Shadowgate
• Splatterhouse: Wanpaku Graffiti
• Sweet Home
• Wizards & Warriors

thread tax: Aero the Acrobat is not a hidden gem

 

[LifeAlert]

Most if not all RPGs are soul draining slogs that take too much time from your life, even back in the NES days. The time it takes to beat one RPG could be spent on several other games. If you don't have a guide most of them will take even longer.

If a game has ludicrous requirements for unlockables then it's perfectly justified to use hacks or cheats to unlock them. Specifically, any game that requires me to spend excruciating amounts of time grinding to unlock shit, I would just use cheats and call it a day. Same for any game that requires you to play at god/TAS level to unlock stuff.

The 1990s was the peak decade for arcade games. Fighters, beat em ups, racing, light gun games, all of it was better. The 80s had a lot of great arcade games too, but they were outclassed. 90s arcade games had more variety, depth, and longevity.

While Bethesda got a lot of shit for the Oblivion horse armor, Valve creating the first loot boxes starting with TF2 has done much much worse damage to the industry overall by normalizing wasting money on gambling for models/textures that you technically already "own" since they are part of the game files.

Multiplatform games were more interesting in the past than now because it was cool to see how developers would try (or fail) to utilize each console's strengths when porting games, and they all had little differences because each console was unique. Now multiplatform games are just glorified PC versions except for the Switch which itself is a glorified android tablet.

 

[Ser Prize]

I dislike modern dodging. A dodge should be you moving point A to B fast enough to not be hit by attack targeting A, not you phasing through another dimension to not be hit by a solid object that is currently moving between A and B.

Unless the dodge actually involves phasing through dimensions.

I'm sick of Souls likes in general.

RDR1 is exactly the same shit, but you all played that game while you were kids (in other words, retards) and didn't notice the stupid story.

Your character is a psycho mass murderer piece of shit, but the game thinks his dead is a sad event. It's fucking retard, rockstar can't write good stories at all. But you guys only realized it now because when you were 10 you still watched cartoons and capeshit and didn't have common sense yet.

RDR1 didn't get nearly as politically correct. It was extremely bleak, yes, but there wasn't this weird contrast of John Marston being a reddit mod while doing awful things. I think the closest he gets is trying to help that mexican girl. If Arthur had done the same mexico arc we'd hear about how patriarchy is the real killer and biopic women are the cure for society's ills, with Arthur giving a stand offish affirmation to the preaching.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Its a socially engineered populace, obviously thered be no demand for it. The weird and esoteric part is a lingering effect of the mid 2000s Japanese racism where all the cool shit which came from Japan was ridiculed for some reason, if people had an open mind instead of saying Japan the sex pest tranime country things would be sorta better. I want more stuff like Hagane, Ganbare Goemon and Okami, Ill take any amount of sincere weird Japshit over EuroMurican slop.

Mystical Ninja 64 Remaster UGH
it'll never happen

 

[Darksy DePhil]

Halo: Combat Evolved holds up better and has better gunfights than a lot of early 2000's PC Singleplayer FPS that tried to be the next Half-Life. And i say this as a PC poorfag who didn't have consoles growing up and always blindly followed the autistic early 2010's "it's a dumbed down shooter for console casuls and it wuined gaming" /v/ bandwagon.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

RDR1 didn't get nearly as politically correct. It was extremely bleak, yes, but there wasn't this weird contrast of John Marston being a reddit mod while doing awful things. I think the closest he gets is trying to help that mexican girl. If Arthur had done the same mexico arc we'd hear about how patriarchy is the real killer and biopic women are the cure for society's ills, with Arthur giving a stand offish affirmation to the preaching.

I'll add that I can't remember in RDR1 doing shit like killing an entire town or military fort. You were very much aligned with the side of law and had to go out of your way to kill innocents in the main story.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

DMC2 is a broken boring slog of a game, Dominoes is more fun than DMC2. The gameplay is fucking awful, enemies often don't attack at all or have blatant blind spots where they can't hit you, Dante is sluggish and awkward to control his melee swings are weak and leave you vulnerable.

Broken how? Combat functions, even if it isn't as satisfying as DMC1. It's been a long time since I've played it, but I got through it just fine. The most egregious thing I remember is some shitty helicopter monster, you couldn't hit the damn thing.

Aero the Acrobat is not a hidden gem

What's the opposite of hidden gem? Conspicuous turd?

Mystical Ninja 64 Remaster UGH
it'll never happen

3DS was the best shot for N64 games to get remasters, and every company except Nintendo blew it.

 

[Ser Prize]

I'll add that I can't remember in RDR1 doing shit like killing an entire town or military fort. You were very much aligned with the side of law and had to go out of your way to kill innocents in the main story.

There's one part in Mexico where you burn down a village with the military, but that's the worst it gets.

 

[Judge Dredd]

That's a huge exaggeration. A good game just doesn't need to rely on sexuality as a crutch, too much of it is a distraction and kinda cringe, it's hard to take it seriously. Final Fantasy would be worse if all the girls were dressed like strippers.

When I was binging racing games a while ago, I saw zoomers blurring out the menus in Juiced (it has women in bikinis), and describing R Racing as "pornographic" (the two main characters show a bit of cleavage). We've talked about this kind of thing a bunch in other threads so no need to go over again really.

But my point isn't the sexy stuff specifically, it's that the authorial stamp people say they want often includes things the author likes, and sex is just one example of that. Let's look at Metal Gear. You could have MGS without the mechs, the bikini snipers, and oddball humour. But it also wouldn't be Metal Gear. We've seen what Metal Gear looks like without Hideo Kojima. It's Metal Gear Survive. Now, obviously it's not so clear cut. This is where we get into the weeds of auteur theory, who did what, the collaborative nature of game development, and so on.

Maybe I'm an extreme example. I find it to be dumb when people complain (rightly) about safe corporate slop, but then turn around and complain about cartoon smoke effects in Need for Speed.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

The US specifically hated anything foreign

This goes back to the 30s and 40s, its just classic xenophobia cause the US doesnt like foreign market competition. They hated the Chinese, they hated the Japanese, they hated the Italians, they hated anything which posed serious competition in the entertainment industry. Im just saying overwhelmingly Japanese stuff triggers people worldwide cause Japshit has been transgressive across mediaspheres, might be cause of the atomic bomb brain damage but still undeniably alluring and unique be it oversensory or overly sexual or overly wholesome or whatever. And generally there has been no politishit or religion inserted into any of their bullshit, which is a plus.

3DS was the best shot for N64 games to get remasters, and every company except Nintendo blew it.

N64 was not a good console, it did not have a good library as a whole. People like it overwhelmingly for like 10 games. Among those 10, only 3 are by Nintendo and only those 3 got remasters. Everything else is dead ip like Banjo or in legal hell like Goldeneye. Im actually very surprised they even had Sin and Punishment as part of Switch Online. Im also surprised the PS1 hasnt had more remasters considering it has more beloved games. Granted we're slowly getting them with stuff like Tomba remaster but theres too many underrated ps1 games like Dark Cloud, Vagrant Story, Parasite Eve, Dino Crisis, Suikoden, Vandal Hearts, Ogre Tactics and who knows what else (there was a cowboy JRPG which I forgot).

 

[Nick Gars]

If this was anywhere else on the Internet, I'd send people into a frothing frenzy over this, but here people tend not to be outright spastics about these "sacred cows"

The N64 was not a good console, in fact its a legitimately awful console. Very VERY few of the games hold up, playing most of them is a sluggish and frankly miserable experience (even if you grew up with them, but ESPECIALLY if you didn't, this can be applied to all consoles at the time but the Playstation has this issue much less than the others imo) and a good deal of them are also available on other platforms with better hardware and superior versions of the game. Having no load times due to using cartridges really wasn't much of a benefit when your console is already underpowered, all the games look 50 shades of ass worse than the exact same game on other systems at the time, and you're having to cram all the game data in a fucking tiny 64 MB (Fucking MEGABYTES DOOD) cart while games are becoming larger in scope and more advanced (and your competitors are using Chad 700MB CD's that usually doubled as soundtrack CD's). Lets not even start on the "expansion slot" that may or may not of actually fucking done anything.

The controller is fucking retarded and no amount of bing bing wahooing in its defense will get my rational mind to look at that travesty of a device and not want someones ass beat for giving it the greenlight. I've played plenty of n64 in my life because its what I was stuck with at the time, and you never get used to that stupid fucking controller. A Dualshock 2 or a modern Xbox controller just feels "right" when you pick it up, theres never a way to hold this fucking thing that feels "right". Nintendo is still doing this shit. Gamecube controller was pretty good, Wii was fucking retirement home trash and its gimmick got old fucking fast, Wiiu Gamepad was honestly pretty cool (that systems a whole other mess though), and Joy-cons imho are right behind N64 for being the worst controllers of a mainsteam console past the fucking 90's. Hell a lot of the games are more enjoyable through emulation just based on the simple merit of not being hampered by this nightmarish abomination. We were kind of spoiled this generation with Sony knocking it out if the park and realizing the jump to 3D flat out needed a second joystick if I'm honest, most controllers were either super standard or wacky and unwieldly well before this, but people don't try to play defense for those like the N64.

Ultimately it's unchecked nostalgia and an inability to grow the fuck up and admit the shit from your childhood isn't as mystical and infallible as your rosy-eyed memories want you to believe. Theres a lot of good stuff from that generation, but theres also a lot of absolute garbage that had no idea how to adapt to advancing tech. This blanket "nuh uh, it was just soooooooo much better back then" shit is getting old.

Also the Wii. I don't even think I need to go into any kind of a screed about that. It was the most normie friendly gimmicky trash ever with an infinite library of games but almost nothing worth actually playing. The Virtual Console is a cope, every system had some equivelent and if you want to get to the brass tacks, you can probably do it better with a bit if modding on the PS3 and 360. Anyone who defends the Wii I hold in the same regard as I would a naked homeless crackhead rummaging through a dumpster. Its only higher than the N64 because anyone with a braincell knows it was never to be taken seriously as anything more than the gimmicky shovelware pit that it is.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

When I was binging racing games a while ago, I saw zoomers blurring out the menus in Juiced (it has women in bikinis), and describing R Racing as "pornographic" (the two main characters show a bit of cleavage).

Sounds like faggoty soyboy libtards more than anything, everybody else will just ignore it even if they don't approve. That's a particularly odd case though because it sounds rather mild by any standard.

N64 was not a good console, it did not have a good library as a whole. People like it overwhelmingly for like 10 games.

It was, it has a relatively small library but it's pretty solid, certainly more than 10 good games.

Im also surprised the PS1 hasnt had more remasters considering it has more beloved games. Granted we're slowly getting them with stuff like Tomba remaster but theres too many underrated ps1 games like Dark Cloud, Vagrant Story, Parasite Eve, Dino Crisis, Suikoden, Vandal Hearts, Ogre Tactics and who knows what else (there was a cowboy JRPG which I forgot).

I agree, they cherry picked a couple for remakes like Medievil, but that's it. Btw, Dark Cloud is PS2, and the cowboy JRPG is probably Wild Arms.

The controller is fucking retarded and no amount of bing bing wahooing in its defense will get my rational mind to look at that travesty of a device and not want someones ass beat for giving it the greenlight.

There's merit to criticizing N64's library, but the controller was absolutely fine. It was comfortable and responsive, all games I played were designed around its inputs too. The stick had a tendency to wear out easily but that's about it.

Also the Wii. I don't even think I need to go into any kind of a screed about that. It was the most normie friendly gimmicky trash ever with an infinite library of games but almost nothing worth actually playing.

Wii is like the PS2 in terms of library size, but closer to N64 regarding number of good games, which is obviously a bad thing. There's not a lot worth going back to, especially if you have no tolerance for motion controls.

I kinda have a bit of nostalgia for it but it wasn't great.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

Wii is like the PS2 in terms of library size, but closer to N64 regarding number of good games, which is obviously a bad thing. There's not a lot worth going back to, especially if you have no tolerance for motion controls.

Nah, controls maybe bad and Japans output was not great but there are a ton of good Wii games, certainly a lot more good games than the N64. Capcom and Nintendo were in top form on the Wii.

 

[Pissmaster]

Most if not all RPGs are soul draining slogs that take too much time from your life, even back in the NES days. The time it takes to beat one RPG could be spent on several other games. If you don't have a guide most of them will take even longer.

I don't think any NES RPGs are really palatable to anyone without strong nostalgia for them.

If a game has ludicrous requirements for unlockables then it's perfectly justified to use hacks or cheats to unlock them. Specifically, any game that requires me to spend excruciating amounts of time grinding to unlock shit, I would just use cheats and call it a day. Same for any game that requires you to play at god/TAS level to unlock stuff.

No arguments there.

While Bethesda got a lot of shit for the Oblivion horse armor, Valve creating the first loot boxes starting with TF2 has done much much worse damage to the industry overall by normalizing wasting money on gambling for models/textures that you technically already "own" since they are part of the game files.

There were already MMORPGs that did paid lootboxes like that before TF2. I'm not an MMO man, so I don't know which ones, but I remember hearing about them being in every Korean and Chinese one at the time. I think Ragnarok Online had them at least as far back as 2006? I don't remember.

There's merit to criticizing N64's library, but the controller was absolutely fine. It was comfortable and responsive, all games I played were designed around its inputs too. The stick had a tendency to wear out easily but that's about it.

N64 actually had a really nice D-pad that was completely squandered.

Wii is like the PS2 in terms of library size, but closer to N64 regarding number of good games, which is obviously a bad thing. There's not a lot worth going back to, especially if you have no tolerance for motion controls.

I kinda have a bit of nostalgia for it but it wasn't great.

There really isn't, and a lot of its best games have been ported around anyway. I think Punch-Out is the best game that's just going to be stuck on Wii forever.