Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Andoxico]

he has infinite time to do anything he wants and the courts will let him get away with anything. if he shoots me the civil courts will probably still rule in his favor. give it up.

i'm so sick of people trying to analyze this logically. it's not a computer program. it's a bunch of dudes who HATE me, who HATE this website, and are looking for ANY excuse to let Greer get away with what he's doing. The judges are basically acting as his counsel, they're filing motions on his behalf, they're interpreting arguments he didn't make and don't exist, they're granting them based on standards that don't fucking apply and never have. Do you get it? We're the bad guys, therefore we don't get an easy way out of any problems, because we make fun of people. This is not the United States where there's a first amendment and equity in justice. This is the United States where copyright law is a free pass to do whatever the fuck you want, at other people's expense, and normal people can get fucked to death.

What am I going to do? Appeal to the 11th??? lol! appeal to the 10th???? lol!!!!!!!!! appeal to SCOTUS on an election year where the president just got shot at? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! funny jokes.

I thought we're supposed to be positive Pollys

 

[BULLY HUNTER_78]

I am considering if I want to return to the dead gay country

That’s the worst part, isn’t it? You’ve already been down this path. You’ve reached out to lawyers in literally every other country you can think of. At least the situation isn’t as dire as if you were to litigate this in the UK or Germany.

The US is the only country with these protections theoretically enshrined in the constitution, so the fight obviously needs to happen here.

I don’t recommend wasting any additional brain power on whether or not this show trail is fair. It’s not. We all know it’s not. This thread is just for fags with training in (and thus faith in) the American legal system to circlejerk, cope, and sneed about how Russ is totally gonna be punished any day now.

Just continue to treat this as any other forum-related hosting issue. You have the problem: the gay US legal system. You have the resources: a sympathetic FOIA attorney and a base of angry supporters that will grow with how unfairly you are treated. As their anger grows, it’ll overcome typical attrition such as the barriers of money orders and using crypto. If your resources are sufficient to deal the the problem, move on to more pressing matters that demand your attention, such making your swamp self-sufficient and your charity which will multiply the number websites that are hardened against gross rapist tranny sneed.

In fact, maybe you should reconsider the deference you show the gay US legal system. Is it a net benefit to continue to remain silent about your case? On one hand, it gives the corrupt judge an excuse to sanction you. On the other hand, the more you advertise this injustice on, say, mainstream right-leaning and legal analysis channels, the more popular support you gain. This, in turn, places indirect pressure on corrupt judges because judges are fundamentally political appointments. It also increases your pool of sympathetic attorneys and angry supporters willing to finance you.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Things seem to have a logic to them, even if that logic is immensely retarded.

Here is the logic:

Kiwi Farms says mocks people. Russell is a visibly disabled homeless man being mocked by Kiwi Farms. Therefore, Russell good. Nobody likes a bully, and that's what the judge perceives Kiwi Farms as. It doesn't matter that he's a reprehensible human being. It doesn't matter that he's a vexatious litigant. Kiwi Farms bad, Russ good, case closed.

It really is that simple.

Nothing in his past few filings has anything to do with copyright. If copyright really was the issue here, he'd have DMCA'd Google, as that's where the offending material is held. It's about him getting criticism of him banned, and he's playing the "I'm a disabled retard show me mercy" card to do it. The judges are aware of this, yet they're following the logic laid out above.

Russ plays the retard card because it works. Listen to the Ariana Grande trial. He failed to state a claim on which the court may grant relief, which is grounds for getting the case thrown out- and it should've been thrown out within a day for that alone. Instead, the judge allowed Russ to verbally amend his claim- an unheard of leeway- because Russ was able to present himself as a retard (though Russ still couldn't present a claim.)

Let me reiterate how stupid his case is:

• Russ claimed Null encouraged the copyright violation by allowing the link and his thread to stay up, which is absolutely insane. Hosting a forum thread about a celebrity litigant is not encouraging people to pirate a book.
• In fact, if the piracy really bothered him that much, he could just file a DMCA to whoever is hosting the copyrighted material. It's not like he does anything of value with his time.
• Russ claims people from Kiwi Farms are harassing him. I have no doubt he's being harassed, but the thread is public information, and if anyone wants his dox they can look up the court documents (where he is legally required to provide a legal address.) Further, anyone can say they're from Kiwi Farms. He'd need to prove @The Great Citracett, @Useful_Mistake, @Cryin RN, myself, or any other poster in his thread is the one contacting him. But that's too difficult for Russ, so he just accepts the claim at face value.
• Russ has failed to provide an address where Hardin can legally serve him, which is a procedural violation. He is probably doing this to hide his dox, but that is grounds for legal punishment, or at least getting the case thrown out. Yet neither happens.
• Russ claims we are responsible for him losing jobs and being forced to live in a terrible apartment (and soon we'll be the reason he didn't pay rent and got kicked out.) Nevermind that he started this case, or that as a pro se litigant he doesn't pay a cent in court filing fees, or that this statement has literally nothing to do with the case. Hardin and Null should not need to remind the court that this has nothing to do with the case, nor should the court take it into consideration.
• Russ is not being penalized for late filings that have nothing to do with his case. He asks for more time when he has nothing but time, because he's so retarded he has no idea what to do, and just asks for time so he can ignore the case he started. And he gets it.

It is maddening to play by the rules and watch someone violate those rules, get away with it. And as Null said:

This is replicable court based harassment that the court is actively participating in and setting up structure and precedent for.

Here is how it'll work:

1. Someone files a suit to restrain you from exercising one of your rights for whatever reason.
2. You counterfile because they're completely full of it.
3. They ask for indefinite time to come up with an argument and get it, while you legally cannot exercise your rights because the case is technically still in litigation.

The world has gone mad, and we can't even laugh at it.

 

[Null]

I think that, moving forward, we should always counterclaim. There must be some obscure tort to reasonably bring forward in any case to justify a countersuit so that they are immeidately in the shit too. I discussed this before, but nothing came up, and I didn't really want to proceed with counterclaims because I wanted things to be over as soon as possible. That's clearly the wrong way to go about it.

If you learn anything, it should be that the best defense is a good offense. I think there's a sympathetic white boy mentality that worships the underdog and a good defensive strategy, but a good defensive strategy in reality is not being the underdog at all and instead being extremely strong and always punching back and punching harder.

This case really exemplifies the problems of a defensive posture. We literally need to get Greer to sue us to do anything. We wait hand and foot on him. If we were also suing him, we could be the ones actioning things at our pace, but instead we can only wait on him.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Here's the question no one asked: Was Russ served at his fake address of record or the new address he's DIDN'T put on record in Utah, but Hardin did for him?

Even if it got sent to the real address, have the locks been changed yet?

Russ may know nothing of this three week deadline, and when the Judge automatically rules in Null's favor, as he did with the Florida transfer, Russ won't know that either because he'll be living under a bridge.

The case will be thrown out, and even if the Judge takes pity on Russ for being homeless by dismissing without prejudice, the statue of limitations will still be up

 

[Null]

Here's the question no one asked: Was Russ served at his fake address of record or the new address he's DIDN'T put on record in Utah, but Hardin did for him?

Even if it got sent to the real address, have the locks been changed yet?

Russ may know nothing of this three week deadline, and when the Judge automatically rules in Null's favor, as he did with the Florida transfer, Russ won't know that either because he'll be living under a bridge.

The case will be thrown out, and even if the Judge takes pity on Russ for being homeless by dismissing without prejudice, the statue of limitations will still be up

that's really cute until he files another no-name motion EXPLAINING he was homeless and didn't get the service so therefore he couldn't EXPLAIN, which will work, he will be granted another 90 days, and then that will run the clock too, and some other contrived bullshit will happen.

 

[Napoleon III]

The world has gone mad, and we can't even laugh at it.

Just because a system doesn't operate based on its publicly facing rules doesn't mean it has no rules whatsoever. Courts do not have limitless power and still have wants and needs. When you break/change a rule, it doesn't mean that there are no rules to the game at all it means the rules have changed.

I am glad to have posted about this case as it has taught me a lot about how the US court system actually works and how one might go about trying to manipulate it. I don't currently have a use for that but I might have a use for that someday.

 

[Null]

Courts do not have limitless power

you're such a cocksucker it's unreal. more dumb bullshit coming soon in august. don't even fucking copesplain to me how the system makes sense. It's designed to torture you.

 

[ScooterL]

surely there's some fucking place where I am not bound to deal with RETARDS like this

I wish there was, because I would move there, but there is not. They're everywhere.

Every day when you wake up, remember you are going to meet retards, then decide how you're going to deal with them so they don't drag you down to their level.

If we were also suing him, we could be the ones actioning things at our base, but instead we wait on him only

Good idea. I've never seen the retard try to file a motion in defence, and I'll bet he can't.

 

[Harm]

It wouldn't be surprising if the courts were directly conspiring with Greer on how to best fuck around with how this is playing out. At this point, I think the theory that Greer will claim he never got any filings because of his address shit, so it'll be given another extension.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I think that, moving forward, we should always counterclaim. There must be some obscure tort to reasonably bring forward in any case to justify a countersuit so that they are immeidately in the shit too. I discussed this before, but nothing came up, and I didn't really want to proceed with counterclaims because I wanted things to be over as soon as possible. That's clearly the wrong way to go about it.

If you learn anything, it should be that the best defense is a good offense. I think there's a sympathetic white boy mentality that worships the underdog and a good defensive strategy, but a good defensive strategy in reality is not being the underdog at all and instead being extremely strong and always punching back and punching harder.

This case really exemplifies the problems of a defensive posture. We literally need to get Greer to sue us to do anything. We wait hand and foot on him. If we were also suing him, we could be the ones actioning things at our pace, but instead we can only wait on him.

Have you thought of countersuing for emotional distress or something like that? As you said the court case has been going for 4 years. It's bullshit. Hit bullshit with bullshit until the machine starts working, until it's FORCED to work, redline the machine with so much paperwork that they will notice.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

I think that, moving forward, we should always counterclaim.

I concur. Why should you be the only one who has to suffer?

 

[jerkstore]

if i recall, the one case of russell suing a celebrity that he immediately dropped was when her first step was counter-suing him (edit: it may have even just been a THREAT to counter-sue). may have been farrah abraham. he turned tail quick when the opponent with a lawyer took an offensive stance from the word “go.” Null makes a damn good point, particularly when it comes to russell greer.

edit 2: all of the things russell greer now blames kiwi farms for (joblessness, homelessness, etc) are all things he verbatim blamed taylor swift for in his book. he’s just run out of taylor swifts, and unlike all the celebrities he’s sued, kiwi farms gave him the one thing he’s always wanted: attention. unfortunately that attention came in the form of holding up a mirror to him.

 

[Trig.Point]

There have been a few lolcows that have completely dropped out of sight after becoming homeless. When people become homeless they take a psychological battering, from the lack of security, privacy, personal space, even the ability to maintain a few processions. I believe that most homeless people become drug or alcohol adicts because they're homeless not the other way around.

Anyway what I'm saying is that after a few weeks living rough, Greer may not be in a position to do even the most basic acts to keep the court case going.

 

[GenociderSyo]

This case really exemplifies the problems of a defensive posture. We literally need to get Greer to sue us to do anything. We wait hand and foot on him. If we were also suing him, we could be the ones actioning things at our pace, but instead we can only wait on him.

Considering they bend over backward for him since he is pro se you would probably spend even more money with him playing retard paralegal with a 2nd case.

 

[Null]

He's not fucking homeless. When he files his delivery address as being general delivery in the hyperloop I'll believe him.

Considering they bend over backward for him since he is pro se you would probably spend even more money with him playing retard paralegal with a 2nd case.

Maybe, or maybe the judge would see that the defendant is a shit-flinging ape because of the countersuit and be more moderate. Right now it looks like a David and Goliath where I'm the "well oiled machine'.

We know that this route does not work, therefore we do not take it again.


I am also reminded of how insulting Hardin was with Melinda. The Judge even said that there was "spurious, irrelevant accusations from both sides" or to that affect, but we still got exactly what we wanted.

 

[Terrifik]

Courts do not have limitless power

This bait but they do the fines for failing is up to level of Alex jones if you are on their shitlist & warping as donald trump property case.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I think that, moving forward, we should always counterclaim. There must be some obscure tort to reasonably bring forward in any case to justify a countersuit so that they are immeidately in the shit too.

Speaking of obscure torts with weird rules...

WV allows recovery for up to a year from the conclusion of a maliciously filed civil case. Obviously this case is not there, but might be interesting to keep in mind for some other cases (like the Stebbins one which is there).

As for what is here, Utah allows similar recovery in the event of a loss against a maliciously filed civil suit.

 

[Null]

yeah but I'm not talking recovery, I'm talking an immediate counterclaim that doubles the workload and puts them on defense.

 

[Shig O'nella]

I think that, moving forward, we should always counterclaim.

Said that a month or so back - sue him for not proceding as a seperate case.

Got called an idiot for it (not by you), but no, you don't let the fuckers get an open shot, and if the courts aren't willing to reign in the tard and force him to obey their rules - you have to.