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And she was a good friend.
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And she was a good friend.
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I think I still have a visual encyclopedia from The Phantom Menace. It'd be the sort of thing I never would have looked at in 20 years and still on the shelf at my parent's place. The best were the art of Star Wars books.
A couple of years ago I bought some premium big two book volume of the art of Ralph Mcquarrie. I actually never even looked through it. Bought it and it's on a shelf behind me. It's weird how we do this. When I was a younger person I would have constantly been going through it. I think the reason we still sometimes by this stuff is we miss when he loved it. Not that we actually really want to buy the thing.
I also had a soft cover Star Wars encyclopedia from the late 90s. Pre prequel and has a tonne of EU stuff. Mainly just text, some drawings. Even though I hadn't read the EU stuff when it was given to me, I used to sit there reading it and it probably informed a lot of my general Star Wars knowledge. Which I've mostly forgotten.
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Obi-Wan was Anakin's master. That, and the plot separated the two for a good number of battles. AOTC and ROTS had entire segments where the two are separated, and in the SWEU, there are entire battles where the two of them are either separated or one is absent.
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Firstly, in addition to having much more time and focus when we're younger, at lot of this we forget that the internet didn't exist in the form it does today where you can just google up an article on the thing you used to have to dig through the reference books for.
Second, in the part I bolded you've pretty much described the mechanism that keeps Star Wars making any money. A pack of cucked abused wives still consooming and giving Disney their money and brains because they used to like it can't accept that its over. Here's how Star Wars Can Still Not Be Terrible, etc.
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Also:
- R2 behind the Filoni-voiced droid (CH-0P)
- nuLando instead of Billy Dee Williams
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I remember my local library had copies of nearly all the old Essential Guides when I was a kid, which I checked out repeatedly and read cover to cover. It was my first real exposure to the EU at large, and despite not really having much context for what all these ships and droids and whatnot were from, I was so engrossed by this whole galaxy of things I didn't even know existed. Shame they washed away in Katrina.
Nothing that Disney has put out has come close to evoking that same feeling in me, of that thing being part of a universe that enthralled me (though I will admit that Rogue One had some nice bits). Maybe that's partly due to getting older, but I think it's mostly due to that design-by-committee feel that everything has. Shamelessly ripping off the OT but making it worse has been their MO since the beginning, and when they're not doing that, it looks stupid and out of place. Remember the hot rod speeder bikes from Boba Fat? Or the hundred variations of ugly gray blob aliens? Or the fucking retarded weasel thing from Lesbo's show?
Part of me wants to blame the artists for being bad at their jobs (and there's probably a non-zero number), but I'm sure most of it is coming from the hack producers that wouldn't know good sci-fi if it hit them upside the head.
Nothing that Disney has put out has come close to evoking that same feeling in me, of that thing being part of a universe that enthralled me (though I will admit that Rogue One had some nice bits). Maybe that's partly due to getting older, but I think it's mostly due to that design-by-committee feel that everything has. Shamelessly ripping off the OT but making it worse has been their MO since the beginning, and when they're not doing that, it looks stupid and out of place. Remember the hot rod speeder bikes from Boba Fat? Or the hundred variations of ugly gray blob aliens? Or the fucking retarded weasel thing from Lesbo's show?
Part of me wants to blame the artists for being bad at their jobs (and there's probably a non-zero number), but I'm sure most of it is coming from the hack producers that wouldn't know good sci-fi if it hit them upside the head.
Don't forget sad old man Luke, no Han, and perhaps most bizarrely of all, no Anakin/Vader. You can't even put the most iconic character in the entire series on your cover? What first-year graphic design student came up with this shit?
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Probably the same diversity hire who made the Rise of Skywalker key art, the one with Sidious' face taken from a Hot Toys promo picture.
Also you're right, there's no Han or Vader and yet there's Maul?!
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And a victim of Rian Johnson's britishness. As a Brit, he couldn't help himself and kick it into oblivion.
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Tano was the beginning of the canon breaking spiral that led to this point.
Everyone loves to claim that George signed off on her but dude was checked out at that point and in talks to sell, so he wasn't being as particular about new content because he was removing himself from it. You can't have part of Anakin's fall be that they won't grant him the title of Master and then turn around and make him a Master. You ascend from knighthood to Master-dom by taking and training a padawan, it has nothing to do with sitting on the council because that is a unique position that requires you be a Master but is distinctly separate from it. Only to have them turn around; a council who was distrustful of Anakin and thus refused to give him the Master implying they are refusing him the seniority, respect within the order, and right to train a padawan- and decide to assign him a padawan. Which is further against precedence because Knights are supposed to choose their padawan. Everything about her makes no sense. Even looking at how she progresses through the series. She starts off as some wacky Shaak Ti-esque Loli bait while supposedly being 14 and rapidly ages because at some point someone pointed out the war was only three years long and Filoni needed his precious Shaak Ti knockoff to be older to make some of what she's doing make sense.
You also can't just input some new person into a storyline that would have colossal consequences on a pre-written story and never have them mentioned, it's poor writing and lazy. Some minor character mentioned or seen in passing, sure, they did that with Quinlan Vos; some background dude in TPM that got expanded into a whole ass popular character, had ties to Obi-wan, but whose presence and history changes nothing. Inserting a never heard of before Padawan to a dude whose the major player in the story and whose story has strong themes of abandonment, obsession, a need to protect to the point of destruction, etc. who is explicitly denied the ability to be a Master as part of that arc, it's nonsense. She might be more 'likeable' but she's threaded into places and tied to characters and given abilities that are strait out of this is my super special fanfiction OC. Dave is no Chrétien de Troyes', Tano is no Lancelot.
Her popularity was manufactured with some of it being borrowed from her being reminiscent of Shaak Ti, who was a pre-established powerful female Jedi.
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You don't have to be a Jedi Master to have a Padawan of your own. Kenobi was just recently promoted to knight when his tutelage of Anakin began, and he climbed the ranks from Jedi Knight, to Master, to Council Master. Also, the explanation for Yoda giving Anakin a Padawan was to teach him maturity by putting him in the same predicament his masters often find themselves in when they deal with him. It basically was a big fat "fuck you" to the boy, with the Council hoping that Anakin would mellow out once he sees things the way they see it, from a mentor's point of view.
Also, them denying him the Master seat was due to him not blindly obeying them and still having his own dark streak. Making him a master would grant him access to the Jedi holocron vault, which the Jedi obviously wouldn't want. Someone with that much darkness being given access to all the Jedi Order's secrets? That's something the Council would be very scared of.
There was also the fact that the Jedi Council were more than a bit vindictive on their own terms; Anakin was nothing but polite and mature up to that point, but the Jedi resented having Palpatine interfere in their affairs, and denying Anakin the Master rank was their way of flipping the bird in Palpatine's face. They couldn't openly shit on Palpatine without being accused as traitors, so they did the next best thing and took out their frustration on his patsy, telling him that "no, you can't make him a Master, only we can." For all the times the Jedi claim the moral high ground over the Sith, they cam be just as vindictive or murderous as the Sith; the only difference is that the Sith tale charge of their own destiny, while the Jedi enslave themselves to politicians who have no problems dumping them like used tampons.
Not quite. Most people who salivate over Ahsoka don't even know who Shaak Ti is, which is a shame, considering that the latter had a somewhat important role during the Siege of Coruscant.
The problem is, Lucas was scarred by the negative reception the Prequels got, so he tried to rehabilitate the PT with TCW, and since most PT haters don't know the general SWEU lore around the PT, he decided to give Dave the right to bulldoze any SWEU content that might get in the way since TCW is made to appeal to normies and PT haters, not lore aficionados and hardcore fans, and they won't notice. People who hated the PT like Doug Walker loved TCW, so it seems to have ths desired effect of making normies appreciate a period of SW that critics panned, but at the cost of the people who fell in love with the original Clone Wars lore which was rather airtight and didn't have space for a story where Anakin has his own padawan.
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Rian Johnson is very much American.
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You know, I think that's one of the reasons the ambiguous ending of KotOR 2 doesn't hit as badly as it used to: the fact that it was willing to let Revan go and focus on a different conflict, with different characters, so he didn't become the Poochie of the Jedi Civil War era.
If Filoni can neither kill Ahsoka or write her out of the story, she's going to just keep raising "where the fuck is she" questions for every major entry going forward.
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George was right in the "Kill Ahsoka" camp, would have solved a lot of problems, even unforeseen ones right now.
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Killing Ahsoka during the Clone Wars would explain why nobody wants to talk about her in ROTS, because it would open wounds that people would rather keep closed.
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Kill Ahsoka. Behead Ahsoka. Roundhouse kick Ahsoka into the concrete. Slam dunk new born Ahsoka babies into the trashcan. Crucify filthy Ahsoka. Defecate in Ahsoka's mouth. Launch Ahsoka into the sun. Stir fry Ahsoka in a wok. Toss Ahsoka into the Sarlacc. Urinate into a Ahsoka's headgear. Judo throw Ahsoka into Mustafar's lava. Twist Ahsoka. Make Ahsoka the protagonist of something by Rian Johnson or Leslie Headland. Throw Ahsoka into the rancor pit. Quarter Ahsoka with four winged horses.
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If it were me, and I had to make it so that Ahsoka lived, I'd say that Vader captured her before the OT happened, and he was planning on torturing and brainwashing her to the Dark Side, but he never got around to it because of how busy he got with the whole Rebellion stuff and trying to get Luke to join him. So Ahsoka remained a carbonized slab within one of Vader's fortresses, forgotten and left to rot. Then Luke establishes the New Jedi Order, and when he starts looking for new recruits, Anakin's ghost tells him about Ahsoka, and Luke frees her. But by then, the OT would already be over. Ahsoka recognizes Mon Mothma among Padme's friends list and volunteers to work for her as a special forces operative.
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Yeah the timeline is messed up. Kotor's Revan Empire could be said to be built up from Republic deserters, but the hidden one was just too big to dissapear overnight for Desolus to have only studied them in the history books.
I figure BW's initial idea was to have the Sith Emperor devour them, but than they dropped the concept. Now there is a big Sith Empire and it needs to dissapear... somehow. My initial thought was that it eventually just splintered but that would leave.... splinters. Nothing the Jedi can't clean up, but maybe in five centuries not fifty years.
Maybe BW abandoned the idea as the Sith side always seemed fuller a few years ago. No idea what it is now, but back then the European server had like a 2/3rds split. They already made a big jump by making the tech look more up to date because the Clone Wars was out.
I figure BW's initial idea was to have the Sith Emperor devour them, but than they dropped the concept. Now there is a big Sith Empire and it needs to dissapear... somehow. My initial thought was that it eventually just splintered but that would leave.... splinters. Nothing the Jedi can't clean up, but maybe in five centuries not fifty years.
Maybe BW abandoned the idea as the Sith side always seemed fuller a few years ago. No idea what it is now, but back then the European server had like a 2/3rds split. They already made a big jump by making the tech look more up to date because the Clone Wars was out.
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It actually does fit in with the New Sith Wars lore. Prior to the rise of Darth Ruin, you had many different Sith cults and remnants operating in the shadows. They were content to remain underground and divided, so the Jedi let them be. Then Jedi Master Phanius, who took the Sith title of Darth Ruin, slowly unites them along with 50 promising Jedi Knights, and that was how the New Sith Empire was born.
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