Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Black Spruce]

all the cope posts from legalkiwis (who i respect, but just disagree with) seem to be more triggering to null than the people rightfully pointing out this situation is fucked and doesn't look like it will unfuck itself

That's something people gotta understand. The legal system isn't like some computer program where it's input is law and it outputs results based on it. It is full of judges all subject to their own individual biases, and they are able to make decisions at their own discretion based on these biases. If they have to ignore law and court precedent to stick it to public enemy #1, they can, will, and have. Like Null said, Greer is just a tool for them to do that. So Greer is allowed to shit up the court system and rub him his penis the entire time.

This type of thing is what makes me think it's a bad idea for Null to return to the US. If you think harassing him with the court system is bad, just imagine what they'll do when they have physical access to him. I remember this happened to Mark Marek, the owner of BestGore. He and his community got on the bad side of the Canadian police by being more useful in the hunt for Luka Magnotta than the police were, which embarrassed them. So when Mark returned to Canada from his travels, they stopped him at the border, siezed his devices, then railroaded him through the court system based on insane laws that are hundreds of years old, that to my knowledge have never been used up to that point, and then jailed him.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

This type of thing is what makes me think it's a bad idea for Null to return to the US. If you think harassing him with the court system is bad, just imagine what they'll do when they have physical access to him.

Even if Greer wasn't a factor, Null has many enemies stateside. You newfags don't know this, but back around 2015-2016, Kiwi Farmers exposed high-ranking memebers of Trans LifeLine (the tranny version of the suicide hotline) as grifters who were stealing donations for personal benefit. When that happened, one of them showed up to Null's mom's house with a knife- "just to talk." It's better he stays away from the US until the pendulum swings back far enough.

 

[Black Spruce]

Even if Greer wasn't a factor, Null has many enemies stateside. You newfags don't know this, but back around 2015-2016, Kiwi Farmers exposed high-ranking memebers of Trans LifeLine (the tranny version of the suicide hotline) as grifters who were stealing donations for personal benefit. When that happened, one of them showed up to Null's mom's house with a knife- "just to talk." It's better he stays away from the US until the pendulum swings back far enough.

I do know this. He's talked about it on MATI a number of times. I don't think trannies are gonna be Null's biggest concern. They might never get a chance at Null if they stop him at the border, though.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Bold of you to assume that there has to be either law or justice.

"There is no justice," the courts said. "There is just us."

(With apologies to pterry tpratchett)

 

[Napoleon III]

The legal system isn't like some computer program where it's input is law and it outputs results based on it. It is full of judges all subject to their own individual biases, and they are able to make decisions at their own discretion based on these biases.

I wouldn't say it is like programming but I would say legal disputes are like war, but less violent. People can have a very strong advantage but nothing is ever certain. There is a lot of calculations of strength and decision making involved with that. My namesake's Namesake compared war to Physics equations for a reason.

But we've had this argument before so I'll say little else.

We know from his filings as that’s explicitly what he wants he wants to annoy Null so getting annoyed, giving him what he wants and it’s hard but the best course of action is probably the only interaction from Null be the filings from Harden.

I wanted to ask how much trouble is being "homeless" causing Greer in terms of reading and replying to filings in this lawsuit?

I would think it wouldn't be that much but I'm uncertain.

 

[Umaibae]

Just my two cents — but maybe it’s time to find a lawyer who didn’t go to an unranked law school where the median LSAT is a 146? Surely there’s a firm full of T14 grads frothing at the mouth to take on an open-and-shut fair use case against a pro se retard.

Again just my opinion.

 

[jerkstore]

it’s nothing.

I wouldn't say it is like programming but I would say legal disputes are like war, but less violent. People can have a very strong advantage but nothing is ever certain. There is a lot of calculations of strength and decision making involved with that. My namesake's Namesake compared war to Physics equations for a reason.

But we've had this argument before so I'll say little else.


I wanted to ask how much trouble is being "homeless" causing Greer in terms of reading and replying to filings in this lawsuit?

I would think it wouldn't be that much but I'm uncertain.

it’s fucking nothing. dude. RUSSELL HAD SEVEN MONTHS TO FILE A RESPONSE TO ANYTHING. wtf dude, are you just…. not reading anything???

 

[Null]

Just my two cents — but maybe it’s time to find a lawyer who didn’t go to an unranked law school where the median LSAT is a 146? Surely there’s a firm full of T14 grads frothing at the mouth to take on an open-and-shut fair use case against a pro se retard.

Again just my opinion.

Hardin works for basically nothing and has repeatedly had ideas that've saved the site. Are you volunteering?

I remind you it WAS open and shut. I hired Skordas, NOT a Appalachian Law School graduate, VERY expensive, who got FUCKED on appeals by an appellate court judge born in the Soviet Union in a copyright case.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

People seem to forget that Null has not lost anything really. A complete dismissal of the case for being bat shit insane was overturned on appeals, but the case has not even progressed to anything yet. In reality as far as the court is concerned, absolutely nothing has happened and nobody cares about anything.

And as such, Hardin is basically the perfect lawyer low-cost, low effort, not much needed to do and keep moving forward slowly and carefully.

 

[Napoleon III]

I will say one thing this case has taught me is how little the hierarchy of lawyers seems to matter. A lot of the fancy and best lawyers are not necessarily better than a cheaper one. There is a lot of talent and intelligence that does not get recognized and utilized. There is also a lot of ego and hubris amongst lawyers in general.

Hardin is not a fancy lawyer but he seems to be good and he has handled lolsuit cases well. He has already proven himself with Melinda Scott and others. I don't think there is any room to realistically critique him given what he is paid and how many resources he has. I don't think he has been perfect, but I agree with his overall strategy.

 

[Bogliacci]

This is just part of our Long March, my kiwisisters. It is arduous, dangerous, and full of cringe, but we will keep trudging forward to final kiwi victory.

 

[PyrrhicRustle]

I will say one thing this case has taught me is how little the hierarchy of lawyers seems to matter.

It’s taught me a lot about the appointment of federal judges and my feelings toward them that probably shouldn’t be expressed, that’s for sure. And it made me want to be a good noodle for the rest of my life to never have to deal with this shit.

 

[Justtocheck]

it’s fucking nothing. dude. RUSSELL HAD SEVEN MONTHS TO FILE A RESPONSE TO ANYTHING. wtf dude, are you just…. not reading anything???

It seems to be a recurring problem in this thread. I suggested an Alinsky-like protest, and the niggercattle (who I'm not tagging to avoid a slapfight) accused me of wanting to go out and kill people when I wrote the exact opposite. Dude, LawThreads attract smart, logical people, but they also attract some of the biggest retards of the site.

 

[Not a bee]

, but they also attract some of the biggest retards of the site.

hi thats me

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

This is just part of our Long March, my kiwisisters. It is arduous, dangerous, and full of cringe, but we will keep trudging forward to final kiwi victory.

One could say it's a hell march.

 

[HarblMcDavid]

Just my two cents — but maybe it’s time to find a lawyer who didn’t go to an unranked law school where the median LSAT is a 146? Surely there’s a firm full of T14 grads frothing at the mouth to take on an open-and-shut fair use case against a pro se retard.

Again just my opinion.

Just as a reminder, the most competent and no bullshit attorney in the Vic Lasagna stuff was Sam Johnson, who literally worked out of a strip mall.

High power lawschools are great for connections, but they can't install brains or ingenuity.

 

[Justtocheck]

but they can't install brains or ingenuity.

But "the Beard" had a (fake) grenade in his office and did wargaming as a hobby! A strategic genius! How could we lose the case, weebwars bros?! Sarcasm spoiler

 

[Jotch]

I will say one thing this case has taught me is how little the hierarchy of lawyers seems to matter. A lot of the fancy and best lawyers are not necessarily better than a cheaper one. There is a lot of talent and intelligence that does not get recognized and utilized. There is also a lot of ego and hubris amongst lawyers in general.

Hardin is not a fancy lawyer but he seems to be good and he has handled lolsuit cases well. He has already proven himself with Melinda Scott and others. I don't think there is any room to realistically critique him given what he is paid and how many resources he has. I don't think he has been perfect, but I agree with his overall strategy.

The situation where Plaintiff wants the case ro be as slow as possible and Defendant wants the case to be as fast as possible still makes me laugh.

 

[lolwatagain]

I will say one thing this case has taught me is how little the hierarchy of lawyers seems to matter. A lot of the fancy and best lawyers are not necessarily better than a cheaper one. There is a lot of talent and intelligence that does not get recognized and utilized. There is also a lot of ego and hubris amongst lawyers in general.

Hardin is not a fancy lawyer but he seems to be good and he has handled lolsuit cases well. He has already proven himself with Melinda Scott and others. I don't think there is any room to realistically critique him given what he is paid and how many resources he has. I don't think he has been perfect, but I agree with his overall strategy.

If a lawyer ends up at a big law firm out of law school, it usually means that they had a good first year, had a good interview, and didn't fuck up during the summer. If they manage to survive the big law meat grinder and make partner, that usually means they are good at networking and gaining clients, and not necessarily that they are good at litigating. But generally fuck ups won't keep clients long.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

Surely there’s a firm full of T14 grads frothing at the mouth to take on an open-and-shut fair use case against a pro se retard...

??? Even ignoring that the case is a mess and the defendant is KF (both of which are important), most attorneys wouldn't want to deal with this kind of action.

If you come in and win against the 'pro se retard' you've gained no stature or career advancement. It's expected that you'll stomp them. If you somehow do anything less than win, though, it's the opposite of career advancement.

So the only way that anyone would be really excited about taking a case like that is lots of money (which isn't at play) or entertainment (which is overshadowed by KF being the client).