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[Useful_Mistake]

https://www.thefire.org/news/poll-majority-americans-believe-first-amendment-goes-too-far-rights-it-guarantees

https://archive.is/xcaRe

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

I think this is the case where the Democrats have nobody who is genuinely viable.

That is a fair point. Personally, I think that they do have decent candidates, but none of them want to clean up Biden's mess. My guess is the stronger horses want to wait until 2028 when they don't even have to deal with Trump.

 

[Psyduck]

edit: yasss, yasssss, Harry Sisson's gonna suck so much female penis!

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Are the 200 retards from social media their answer to Trumpamania?

 

[6MillionCoofs]

For starters, that would take away the "excitement" from losers about voting for the first woman POTUS. Secondly, they know that giving Kamala an "incumbency" campaign would be poison for her.

We all know that if Kamala was actually a strong candidate for the Democrats, Joe would be gone already.

It would also be horrible optics for the first women pres to not be voted for at all by anyone and actually be installed.

At least with mail in dumps they can have the facade she was voted for.

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

https://www.thefire.org/news/poll-majority-americans-believe-first-amendment-goes-too-far-rights-it-guarantees

https://archive.is/xcaRe

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This is a weird poll. I feel like the questions were posed in such a way as to make the data meaningless. In the right direction? Secure? These are binary answers to a nuanced discussion.

 

[CaddestSlown]

Normies finally saw what "trans rights" actually looks like in real time.

Good time for Trump to reiterate that he doesn't want men in women's sports ...

Seeing someone have their hopes and dreams crushed and stolen from them by a man-beast masquerading as a woman is a very hard to swallow red-pill, but if you have any empathy, you can see what this shit does to the women who put their hearts and souls into proving themselves on a fair playing field.

@Queesechake Lol did I upset you or something? You went back and dumb rated all my posts, even in threads that have nothing to do with politics.

He's doing this to StarkRavingMad, too, despite the posts in question being... not very dumb. Her posts are good for discussion makers, so I think the retard is just salty about something.

Now that I'm all caught up.

Good morning Kiwi Farms. It's a good day to despair and laugh at Clown World!

(Oh, update, he's done it to my recent posts in here as well. Someone's cranky. Maybe it was the posts clowning on the Israel-Palestine situation that set him off.)

 

[Allanon]

Watergate and its legacy has been disastrous to American journalism. Everyone wants to be like David Frost and get their Republican target to say something monumental that it would end them politically.

It was a set up besides that. Nixon was insanely popular at the time. There was absolutely no question he would win his next re-election. Then for absolutely no reason at all, "republicans" completely unconnected to Nixon decided to make the world's worst attempt at spying on the democrats, when they were already guaranteed to get a crushing down-ticket victory. Nixon's advisors then told him to hide the evidence of this very obvious break in and crappy spying attempt lest it negatively impact his votes.

They then spent the rest of the investigation trying to spin things to try to dredge up any kind of comment that indicated Nixon was in any way responsible for this spying attempt, listening in on classified tapes and demanding all kinds of records. Every time Nixon objected on the basis of secrecy they would use this as evidence he was hiding his involvement. Despite all this, they could never actually find anything to show he ordered this spying.

It didn't matter to the media, though. They continued to spin insane conspiracies like that Nixon was controlling the mafia secretly and that he didn't have to directly order this because the mafia would do his dirty work for him. This was based off of some pretty paper thin connections between Nixon and some member of the mafia, which was likely just a part of the efforts to deal with the mafia.

The reason why they did all this was because they desperately needed Nixon out of office.

Spoiler: Even more yapping about Nixon

He was trying to pull our troops out of Vietnam. Nixon also ended the draft, founded the EPA, appointed 4 supreme court justices, started the initial funding to treat and cure cancer, desegregated schools, created Title IX (or at least signed it into law), was the one who lowered the voting age and therefore age of majority from 21 to 18, destroyed organized crime (this is the connection to the mafia they claim he had) and ended the forced assimilation of Native Americans. He was also a key figure in moving toward the end of the cold war and undermined Soviet control of the middle east, which helped contribute to the collapse of the Soviet Union. He was attempting to end the US reliance on foreign oil.

As soon as Ford got into office, he reversed Nixon's choice of pulling the troops out of Vietnam and dragged it out two more years until the fall of Saigon. He reversed Nixon's price control policies on inflation immediately. He amped up military spending to prepare for a potential war with the Soviet Union. He reversed Nixon's attempts at becoming oil independent and created the strategic oil reserve instead, promoting useless 'clean' energy and energy conservation.

Bear in mind JFK was trying to pull out of Vietnam when he was assassinated and LBJ immediately redoubled our involvement there. They really wanted us to stay there.

{The sound of a baby crying}

Nobody cares. Trump massively improved unemployment, the economy, and foreign relations. He was the first president since 2000 to not start any new wars, and instead helped sidestep wars and cool things down. He removed the penalty for not having health insurance under ACA and improved taxes. That, more than anything else you just said, is what people care about when voting for him.

 

[Basketbaal]

(Oh, update, he's done it to all my recent posts in here as well. Someone's cranky.)

He did it to anyone that reacted to his post negatively. What a sperg lol

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

He's doing this to StarkRavingMad, too, despite the posts in question being... not very dumb. Her posts are good for discussion makers, so I think the retard is just salty about something.

(Oh, update, he's done it to all my recent posts in here as well. Someone's cranky.)

Welcome to the club.

What's weird is that I don't even think he posts seriously retarded shit. He just hates jews and all politicians basically, which is a pretty safe position to hold here.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

This is a weird poll. I feel like the questions were posed in such a way as to make the data meaningless. In the right direction? Secure? These are binary answers to a nuanced discussion.

If you look at the data its even weirder. The data is sorted by "events" that have nothing to do with one another

 

[Dimension Sniper]

Some of the cooler rural parts have yards with hanging effigies and window decals that say Joe and the Hoe Gotta Go

that’s not even unique to WV, you see similar displays all over rural Ohio and PA.

 

[draggs]

No seriously who are these retarded niggers who randomly pop up with a wall of text and a bunch of cringe af memes and pictures about how Trump wasn't Super Hitler blah blah blah. It's very strange and embarrassing like where do they come from they're honestly too retarded and niggerish to be pol rapefugees and too tryhard to be shartyfags

OK I was lying, don't care still voting Trump

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

If you look at the data its even weirder. The data is sorted by "events" that have nothing to do with one another
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Whoa. What is this, an AI hallucination poll? It feels like it's an astroturf to push consensus on a major speech-restriction change. Like they're trying to build consensus around "Everybody agrees this Ammendment goes too far!"

It screams dystopia.

 

[Allanon]

He did it to anyone that reacted to his post negatively. What a sperg lol

Stickers don't mean anything anyway.

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

Stickers don't mean anything anyway.

Null has freed us from those chains.

 

[draggs]

Stickers don't mean anything anyway.

Every sticker you get someone to give you is a victory. Especially the angy ones

 

[Useful_Mistake]

It feels like it's an astroturf to push consensus on a major speech-restriction change. Like they're trying to build consensus around "Everybody agrees this Ammendment goes too far!"

FIRE is generally very pro-free speech, so I imagine its not that

 

[jje100010001]

Pessimistic view of the Republicans and the dilemma of Harris. My opinion- she’s not wrong about Harris avoiding a damaging primary, and that the race is really a GOTY operation for Whites and a campaign to get the real Kamala to reveal herself, but I also don’t believe that Harris’s polls are real in any sort of way.

As mentioned before, these push polls are instead intended to get the narrative of Kamalamania into the public imagination, in order to cover up ballot harvesting operations. Whether or not the public eventually aligns on those polls doesn’t matter it seems.

Abigail Shrier: Republicans, You’re Going After Kamala All Wrong​

The GOP can complain about a ‘coup’ and call Harris a ‘DEI hire.’ But it won’t win them votes.

By Abigail Shrier
July 31, 2024

The Trump campaign seems blindsided by Kamala Harris. Having avoided the ordeal of a primary, Harris dances onto the national scene appearing well-rested and unscathed. In polls, she is already tied with Trump—erasing his sizable lead in just one week.

Scrambling to make sense of what just happened, J.D. Vance has called her extra-democratic appointment a “coup.” He has suggested it cheated voters out of the chance to pick their own nominee. But a “coup” involves regime change. This switcheroo involved none. That’s why you don’t see members of the Biden administration objecting.

Primaries may frustrate party grandees, but they serve the entire electorate. They are a gauntlet and vetting process, an opportunity to see what the candidates will promise when they’re seeking the approval of their own tribe. Forced to pander to their base, candidates typically say things that will hurt them in a general election. In the general, everyone pretends to be a moderate. But in a primary, candidates are at their most ideologically pure, huddling with their own team. By avoiding a primary, Harris also avoided revealing herself as a leftist.

There is every reason to believe Vice President Harris is actually quite radical and would govern that way. Since the start of her failed 2020 presidential campaign, she has adopted virtually every tenet of progressive maximalism—yes, wokeness—from gender ideology (pronouns-in-her-bio) to seriously discussing defunding the police in a 2020 radio interview.

She has called to “critically reexamine ICE and its role” and concluded “we need to probably think about starting from scratch,” meaning scrapping it altogether. She believes that the term radical Islamic terrorism ought to be abolished—not the terrorism, mind you, just the phrase. In 2020, she put out a video endorsing “equity” and insisted “equitable treatment means we all end up at the same place.” Actually, that’s what equitable treatment means to the hard left.

As U.S. senator, Harris was one of the earliest sponsors of AOC’s “Green New Deal,” a dismantling of the U.S. economy under the flag of climate fundamentalism. She could scarcely be bothered to visit our southern border and had no interest in securing it, even when fixing the immigration crisis was made her unique responsibility as vice president.

In 2019, she expressed remarkable hostility to American energy. On CNN, she said there was “no question” she would ban fracking and offshore drilling. She fully supported Biden’s disastrous, inhumane policy of encouraging not only hormones but also gender surgeries for vulnerable minors and of flinging open the doors of women’s jail cells to biologically male offenders.

When Joe Biden was running for election in 2020 and referred to the “Latino community,” she corrected him on X: “the Latinx community,” she wrote, preferring the agender, woke neologism unpopular with the Latino community.

In June of 2020, Harris urged her supporters to post bail for BLM rioters who had ransacked our cities, even tweeting a payment link to the Minnesota Freedom Fund just four days after rioters burned a Minneapolis police precinct to the ground. “They’re not going to stop and everyone beware, because they’re not going to stop,” she said on the Late Show with Stephen Colbert, referring to the BLM protesters. “They’re not going to let up, and they should not.”

Each of these positions is out of step with the moderates in her party and the vast majority of the American people; had they come out in a primary, they would have been quite damaging. For good reason, Harris was ranked the “most liberal” member of the senate by the government transparency organization GovTrack, which recently memory-holed the webpage bearing the accolade.

Now, as a candidate in the 2024 general election, she claims she never wanted to ban fracking. Expect her to reverse course on other far-left positions in the coming weeks. Had she been forced to restate these positions in a recent primary, the current disavowals would seem phony to the point of ridiculous.

Instead, having avoided a primary, Harris can sell herself as a moderate to a public that has no time to unpack whether she was or wasn’t the official “border czar.” She smiles and laughs a lot. She looks like the kind of person you’d want to unwind with over a glass of pinot grigio. She can present herself as a centrist and count on the media to spearhead the cover-up.

Here’s what Republican wallowing looks like:

Pushing the idea that Harris is a “DEI hire.” Conservatives insist that calling her a DEI hire is fair and just. After all, DEI is a terrible, unethical system. If the Democrats love DEI so much, why not own it? Biden all but branded Harris a DEI hire when he announced he would only consider female minority candidates.

All true. And all equally beside the point.

Republicans foolish enough to attack Harris as a DEI hire are likely to be startled by the stampede to defend her. For one thing, calling Harris a DEI hire mistakes attacking the system with attacking its beneficiaries. The system of DEI is unethical and must be dismantled. But the beneficiaries did nothing wrong. Were they not supposed to apply for these jobs? Why shame them now?

Consider that we all regard it as immoral for Major League Baseball to have once excluded black players. The system was rotten, but the players in it—Ruth, Williams, DiMaggio—don’t deserve our contempt. Attack the system, not the players.

The other counterproductive strategy—which some Republicans seem keen to pursue—is “slut shaming” Harris for her affair, early in her career, with the powerful older politician Willie Brown, the married mayor of San Francisco. The charge seems ridiculous when leveled against a happily married woman turning sixty, who looks like a kindly auntie and whose stepchildren call her “Momala.” In four years as the first female veep, she presented a personal side that was warm and conventional, and that’s what voters remember. Shaming her for earlier romantic affairs will only inspire her base to vote early.

The question Republicans ought to confront before leveling any attack is: “Will this energize my supporters more or hers?” For nearly every ad hominem salvo currently flung at Harris, the answer is: hers.

Harris has never stopped being a San Francisco politician. Republicans should remind the public of that and ask Wisconsin residents: Are you ready to become California? Liberals and conservatives are fleeing Harris’s home state, where she was U.S. senator and attorney general. Would Pennsylvanians like to know why?

Ten million migrants have entered our country since Harris was put in charge of the border. Are they ready for millions more? Would they like to find their own schools and hospitals so overrun that American citizens are sent away, as happened in New York and Texas?

The vast majority of American families prefer Republican policies. It’s the messengers who are so often the problem. And perhaps that’s especially the case this year.

An aura of gloom trails J.D. Vance, and his instincts need recalibration. He seems to believe he is in a primary, talking straight to his base, growling at Democrats. And many on the right are cheering this strategy: Stop worrying about the guys in man-buns, they say. They never vote for us anyway!

Typically, the vice president plays attack dog to keep the presidential candidate’s hands clean. But Trump and Vance both often seem like pit bulls straining at the leash. Why did the elegant, brilliant Usha Vance fall for J.D.? There must be a sweet, loving side to this guy, which he ought to let voters see. If the Mitt Romney–Paul Ryan ticket had too little fight, this one currently suffers from too much: too aggressive, too man-cave, too full of resentment to please the American heart, which still has a fondness for things like joy and hope.

Republicans want to win, they must put Harris through the 2024 primary she never had. Inform voters of the record Harris is now scrambling to disavow, and the media is working desperately to erase. And most trying of all for Trump-Vance, they must hold two ideas in their heads: Yes, you got played. And also, bitterness will sink you.

https://www.thefp.com/p/abigail-shrier-republicans-kamala?utm_source=tfptwitter

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

FIRE is generally very pro-free speech, so I imagine its not that

I'm not really familiar with them. Chalk it up to a poorly worded poll?

 

[Nuns with guns]

Regardless of Democrats cheating last election, what I think really helped Biden in 2020 was making it a more “serious” election. People were growing tired of hearing the media clown and scrutinize every Trump’s move for years and a lot of Dems were happy that the President was going to be a “serious” man again. Kamala is resorting to a more “wacky” campaign, thinking she can match Trump’s energy, similar to what Hillary tried in 2016. This is probably the worst move for Kamala, you just can’t match Trump’s energy and I do believe this will lead to more voters for Trump.