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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary


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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[>IMPLYING]

This is assuming they're not getting the alphabet agencies involved, considering there was a COBRA meeting, its not that unlikely.

Same difference. I think it's an overestimation of what the government is capable of doing. The UK government is great at saying but actually doing? MI5 hardly gets namedropped and involved in these types of issues because they deal only with actual threats of terrorism, and twitter shit hardly qualifies. Now, if these protestors and the like do get labelled as such, they'll likely get overstretched similar to the police forces in trying to comb through pro-rioter comments and then trying to find their home addresses. What Kier and the like have done is said they'll create new task forces within the already overburdened police to deal with this, but taking 500 overworked officers, and splitting off 200 of them to do the same job but with a new focus doesn't automatically make them more functional.

 

[Ishtar]

Most of the people they go after are people whose addresses are very easy to find. Essentially they might go through the process of checking if their home address is on facebook or twitter, see if their facebook or twitter name are tied to an address in an area they claim to live in on their accounts. If not, they have a snowball's chance in hell of finding you. The people who do get arrested for tweets and shit are those who make it very easy to find where they live. At a push they might check if your email could link to websites which require your address. A tourist faffing about in some hotel? Probably not. I feel like people overestimate the capabilities of the police. They're not going to cross-reference IRL photos with geographic locations like a passionate Kiwifarmer. If they can't find an address easily tied to a social media account, which only boomers and the tech illiterate do, they're shit out of luck.

That makes sense. But if for whatever reason they did get you and found you were an American tourist or on business or whatever, what would it be? Deport? DNA tagged and banned from entering the country?

 

[>IMPLYING]

That makes sense. But if for whatever reason they did get you and found you were an American tourist or on business or whatever, what would it be? Deport? DNA tagged and banned from entering the country?

I imagine you'd be tried the same as any other for the crime, but I don't think you're coming out of it with a prison sentence. I think you'd get a slap on the wrist and/or sent home. I don't think they'd come down on you with the full extent of the law since you're an American and the law you're getting punished for here is fully allowed back home.

 

[Ishtar]

I was going to say the US doesn't have hate speech laws like the UK does. So I figured any foreigner that got swept up would be deported(and presumably banned from re entry?)

 

[>IMPLYING]

I was going to say the US doesn't have hate speech laws like the UK does. So I figured any foreigner that got swept up would be deported(and presumably banned from re entry?)

I'm unsure about a complete ban but depending on severity it's possible. This all relies on them being able to identity it's you saying the comments on social media. If you were to stand on a podium in public saying a bunch of no-no shit, then they'd detain you like anyone else. Deportation, jailtime, a lifetime ban, etcetera, are all down to luck. But if you were the next American convicted at this moment, you'd likely get the harshest punishment they could dole out without causing a diplomatic incident considering the last time an American was sought out for conviction.

 

[AnOminous]

I was going to say the US doesn't have hate speech laws like the UK does. So I figured any foreigner that got swept up would be deported(and presumably banned from re entry?)

There are fairly routine attempts to pass "hate speech" and "hate crimes" laws that almost amount to "hate speech" laws, mostly by libtards and mostly despite the nearly unanimous smackdowns this gets from even the liberal members of the Court. So there are some such things on the books even though they're uniformly rejected by higher courts.

 

[Ishtar]

If were you to attend a rally and stand up and say "rise up White britons, overthrow your oppressors, kill Pakis and Niggers"

or something to that effect-I would presume you would be deported after a month in detention or something?

 

[Hiphopopotamus]

Rape gangs? Child murderers? We're too busy investigating a shitpost account that said the nigger word on xitter.

You don't hate british "police" enough, you never will.

 

[Knight of Utatanation]

Rape gangs? Child murderers? We're too busy investigating a shitpost account that said the nigger word on xitter.
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You don't hate british "police" enough, you never will.

If you imported 500 American cops to the UK, and let them keep all of their equipment and their protections in regards to shooting people, how many weeks would it take for the number of stabbings to fall by 90% in the town they patrol?

 

[judegdubey]

We keep hearing the phase "two tier" policing, gotta be another one of those conspiracy theories right??..

Meet Derek, a white English man who punches a police officer who now within a week of the incident is serving 3 years imprisonment.

A thug who punched a police officer in the face during a riot outside a mosque in Southport has been jailed for three years as the crackdown on violent protesters continues.
Derek Drummond, from Pool Street in the town, screamed 's***houses' at officers as they tried to put on their riot gear before attacking one male PC as he tried to protect his colleagues on July 30.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13718175/Rioters-charged-appear-court-protesters.html

https://archive.ph/VjzWk

Now let's meet Fahir and Amaad Khan two Muslim brothers who attacked three police officers to the extent they broke one of the female officers nose.

I'm sure most people on this thread already know their story, their currently out on I assume bail busy giving press conferences on how they were mistreated

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13681827/amp/Family-brothers-involved-Manchester-Airport-furore-reveal-real-concern-police-officers-injured-violence-led-officer-stood-hours-lawyer-broke-silence-new-video-footage.html

https://archive.ph/qj671

Yeah definitely one of those crazy conspiracies..........

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

This is a bit of a non-sequitur, perhaps, but just as the thought occurs to me, what with the race riots and everything in Bongland at the moment, I find myself wondering how exactly the Jay Slater story would've been reported if he was of a different ethnic background.

This isn't to white knight for Jay Slater, don't get me wrong, that kid was clearly a fucking scumbag wrongun'. My point is, would we have been allowed to recognise that he was a fucking scumbag wrongun', if instead of 'Jay Slater', his name was, say Sanjay Slakhtar, and he had previously been in court for attacking someone with a machete in a group of violent youths.

Or would, as I largely suspect, the media and the majority of people reporting on the case, discreetly airbrush over that particular detail and insist you were a racist Islamophobe gammon if you mentioned it?

 

[Sailor Kim Jong Moon]

imagine “whipping up racial hatred” being a criminal offense. Wtf does that even mean? It could mean practically ANYTHING if you squint hard enough.

Maybe y'all should’ve worked out some free speech protections for yourself before deciding to riot and shitpost online. Seems like that’s as big of a problem as immigration.

 

[pot of sneed]

Not so much news but over on another site I don't see mentioned often... lipstick alley (where black people predominantly make the users) behave as expected and ratio a completely rational comment. Same shit you'd expect across their threads about whitey deserving everything they get, how black people are the biggest victims in all this, how white people are all demonic cavemen out to get POC...

I'm tired, friends.

 

[Midwit]

how black people are the biggest victims in all this

The progressivist worldview allows them to wallow in their misery and constantly demand gibs whilst somehow being morally righteous for it, it encourages this and I hate it.

 

[Ishtar]

On twitter I’ve seen two tracks, White libtards(many bots and Jews probably I hope) arguing it’s a bunch of uneducated grugs who just hate POC because well they just do okay? And there bad and evil and should be raped in prison.


And then you see hordes of pakis, Africans, and jeets engaging in the most vicious rhetoric of tribal warfare-either “we’re going to conquer you” or “oh no, I don’t feel safe White people don’t look at me in fear”.

A lot of liberal reply comments seem to be bots, almost designed to frustrate and demoralize. Though I’ve heard British shitlibs are some of the worst in the world.

Also, Elon reposting the most egregious crime stuff seems to have really inflamed the government. You get the impression they feel like they’ve lost narrative control here.

 

[Drihten]

A lot of liberal reply comments seem to be bots, almost designed to frustrate and demoralize. Though I’ve heard British shitlibs are some of the worst in the world.

If not bots, they're probably all from Bristol, even Liverpool had these riots and that's seen as one of the most left-wing cities in the UK.

 

[Black Spruce]

"if you do anything against our wishes, we will take your children from you and adopt them out to known pedophiles."

What did I say?

 

[Trig.Point]

There are fairly routine attempts to pass "hate speech" and "hate crimes" laws that almost amount to "hate speech" laws, mostly by libtards and mostly despite the nearly unanimous smackdowns this gets from even the liberal members of the Court. So there are some such things on the books even though they're uniformly rejected by higher courts.

UK hate speech laws are really one just one small part of the problem. The real damage was done via the Police, court system and the wider legal profession. The police aggressively purseue hate crimes because they look good on their clearance rates, they can go after people wth jobs, families and in general have more to lose that some unemployed violent scroat who they've arrested for the 40th time. They can issue them a statutory penalty, a caution or get them in front of the magistrate for a summary trial with the help of the 'duty' solicitor who is in no way a US style public defender.

In the UK solicitors do not have to follow their clients instructions, for example they're not obligated to put facts in front of the court or ask questions of witnesses that their client want. Up to a few years ago you could defend yourself with the help of a legal advisor but the CPS, courts and especially the Police hated it so forced a change to the law that means a defendent can't cross examine a victim (which more often that not is the Police officer) or certain witnesses, and again has to use the duty solicitor who is not required to do anything his client tells him.

Essentially solicitors that speciailise in criminal law aren't usually interested in pissing off the courts, police, colleagues etc on behalf of a client.

There are exceptions such as Tommy Robinson's solicitor, in 2017 the CPS waited until Robinson's solicitor was out of the country before they charged him with contempt, even though they'd previously indicated the charges wouldn't be brought for weeks. They had a tame duty solicitor lined up for Robinson and he was in prison within days.

tl;dr it's the lawyers that are the real problem in the UK, not the laws.

 

[Yik]

Do you remember the Troubles? Imagine that but at a grander scale.

It's the troubles but with face recognition and a pissy PM and police. Isn't it just going to get worse? Kicking out the criminals from prison and replacing them with the people saying no? I'll be pleased to be wrong. Let's see.

 

[fakemon]

Mark Collett is a literal NAZI and he's managed it by staying within the law. Before he lost the run of himself he concentrated on building a group that held meetings, events fund raised but avoided public confrontation. The problem was he ran it like his own personal fiefdom and his hatred of the Jews led him to have friendly relations with groups like 5pillars.

Collett's a literal FAGGOT, more like. He's been fucked by Nick Griffin and Russell Brand (back in his junkie days), takes it hard up the arse, likes getting slapped around. He's a fucking larper, only reason he's in it is to get his dick hard. Nobody takes him seriously.