GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

Anyone getting an Intel CPU at this point is seriously retarded. Yes, even their laptop CPUs.

(Get a Mac, Qualcomm or AMD)

Not talking so much about their fucked chips, anyone can make mistakes at this level of size and complexity.

But their response man.

They’ve been knowing about this problem, and oxidation since 2022/2023. They didn’t say shit to anyone until it became obvious. And even now, they try to screw over their customers, instead of making it right.

Pathetic.
 
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Fapcop said:
Anyone getting an Intel CPU at this point is seriously retarded. Yes, even their laptop CPUs.

(Get a Mac, Qualcomm or AMD)

Not talking so much about their fucked chips, anyone can make mistakes at this level of size and complexity.

But their response man.

They’ve been knowing about this problem, and oxidation since 2022/2023. They didn’t say shit to anyone until it became obvious. And even now, they try to screw over their customers, instead of making it right.

Pathetic.
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Agreed. I bought my laptop about a year ago, but unfortunately some lines literally only sell Intel. In this case it was the Acer Helios 18. It's bullshit.

If I was looking now not even a specific model could get me to go intel. Fuck 'em. They need to lose sales big time over this response.
 
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Dr Pavel I'm CIA said:
so far so good I guess. I didn't get any weird BSOD with my system. What makes it extra painful is I had to change my mobo just for that cpu
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If you use Windows, go to the old control panel (via control.exe if you can't find it), under Power and Performance, click power plan, and then advanced power settings.
Set Maximum processor frequency to 75% or so to avoid overheating. Not nice but at least it won't kill itself.
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I attached a System Information screenshot.

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PSU is 800W.

My reason for using this system is that I got it with a 3080 included for only $700. I sold the 3080 and upgraded to a 3090 because my primary use case is running LLMs. It would be nice to have stable Pal World on this computer too! The 3080 never crashed but the VRAM was inadequate for larger LLMs.

Only weird thing I noticed in GPU-Z (though I have zero clue what I'm looking at, mostly) is Resizable BAR is disabled. HP tard-proofed the BIOS, so there's no available option whatsoever to turn on Resizable BAR. Don't know if that would make any real difference though?

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3090 is a consumer card. It has resize bar, but it is pointless, since the max size is 256MB, for 32bit compatibility. I know cause I have one.
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
As tempting as that idea is, I don't think they are playing any 4D Go with their delays.

What I thought might happen is that the new microcode patch would land, hurt 13th/14th gen performance slightly, making Zen 5 desktop look better in the charts. I don't think the timing is right for that to happen because reviewers need days/week to test everything. The "final" patch should come mid-August but it might even be delayed.

I'm not sure who would kick 13th/14th gen off the charts completely for the upcoming reviews. Maybe Gamers Nexus? Would be funny.
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Well, it's already gotten noticeably worse for them as they have had more time to respond, so my thought was it was just giving intel some additional rope to hang themselves with.

I think they have no choice but to keep responding badly (denying warranties and hoping enough people dont realize their CPU is faulty), because it seems to be a cost on the scale of major business development to actually make everyone whole again. Ostensibly there are 'millions' of bad cpus, the bulk of which are i9s, so if we generously assume 13900k ($460 dollars new on amazon atm) and 3 million as 'millions', thats 1.38 billion dollars. Its probably way more than that.

There is also the claim that they already offered larger customers a free 14th gen upgrade, so they have presumably already spent quite a lot.
 
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Well, it's already gotten noticeably worse for them as they have had more time to respond, so my thought was it was just giving intel some additional rope to hang themselves with.

I think they have no choice but to keep responding badly (denying warranties and hoping enough people dont realize their CPU is faulty), because it seems to be a cost on the scale of major business development to actually make everyone whole again. Ostensibly there are 'millions' of bad cpus, the bulk of which are i9s, so if we generously assume 13900k ($460 dollars new on amazon atm) and 3 million as 'millions', thats 1.38 billion dollars. Its probably way more than that.

There is also the claim that they already offered larger customers a free 14th gen upgrade, so they have presumably already spent quite a lot.
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If I had a nickle for every time a company put profit above quality control until their entire product line is defective and they have to spend a fortune fixing it, i'd have two nickles (Intel and Boeing)
which is not much but it's weird that it happened twice.
 
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The for Intel is, while losing a few sales to the gamers might sting a bit...

If some exec at Dell or HP goes "Hang on, why are our support costs massively higher for 2023-2024 for these computers?", and then starts talking to AMD about their offerings...

Could lead to some awkward questions for Intel.
 
Have a question. My i9 12700k CPU doesn't seem to be hitting peak speeds when I open my task manager, even when it peaks at 100% usage during certain tasks. It always stays in the high 4 ghz range when its theoretically capable of 5.2 ghz. Is it motherboard power settings? Here's a screenshot from Intels page on the speeds
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Just Some Other Guy said:
That's the thing. It's not just "kay, these chips were bad. The next ones will be fine...hopefully". It's what lead to this shit happening in the first place, and then the absolutely abysmal response to it. Like....people really want to go forward with that?
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I don't buy things at launch, and I buy Intel old/corporate systems far after launch. By the time I jump in, the chips will have gone through the ringer or the lawyers will already be on vacation. But I am sticking to my belief that they are not going to have major consecutive fuckups, with the caveat that Arrow Lake is their first chiplet design for desktop. It's both a break from what was broken and a chance to break more stuff. Or at least have higher latency or something.

Raptor Lake was spun up out of nowhere as a stopgap semi-refresh generation. Arrow Lake and Panther Lake are apparently older codenames than Raptor Lake.

The fab oxidation issue is separate and very minor compared to microcode potentially ruining millions of chips, and the fixed microcode may only be a band-aid for a fundamental design flaw.
 
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Have a question. My i9 12700k CPU doesn't seem to be hitting peak speeds when I open my task manager, even when it peaks at 100% usage during certain tasks. It always stays in the high 4 ghz range when its theoretically capable of 5.2 ghz. Is it motherboard power settings? Here's a screenshot from Intels page on the speeds
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This is why modern processor marketing sucks and is confusing to the average user. Its 5.2 on 1 or 2 cores, but nothing ever uses just 1-2 cores; so those sustained boosts won't be seen for more than a few seconds. The all core boost in a 12700k is 4.7.
 
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TheRaptorJesus said:
This is why modern processor suck and are confusing to the average user. Its 5.2 on 1 or 2 cores, but nothing ever uses just 1-2 cores; so those sustained boosts won't be seen for more than a few seconds. The all core boost in a 12700k is 4.7.
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I meant 12900k, but you explained my question and why the system isn't registering it. It's just happening too fast. Thank you.
 
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I meant 12900k, but you explained my question and why the system isn't registering it. It's just happening too fast. Thank you.
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Use HWiNFO as it can show what the max frequency you hit was https://www.hwinfo.com/
Also helpful as it'll tell you the temps so you'll know if the issue is maybe your cooling sucks.
 
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First Intel fucks up and now AMD:

The 7800X3D must be a blessing AND a curse. The relatively only good AM5 CPU (good luck finding replacements should your PC age). Should have stuck with AM4.
 
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Eh. It looks like AMD went with efficiency...and I'm fine with that. The review I saw for the 9700x showed almost 60 watts and 40c less on cinebench vs the 7700x. While performing better.

Maybe there will be some OC potential for people who want to push it, but its nice to see a return to form instead of blasting cpus to 90c out of the box to win 5% at gaming.

I criticized the 7000 launch because of going full intel out of the box, then later it turned out you could tune them down to much better power specs without losing much performance. Maybe this will be the opposite.

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*Edit* Already shown to be true.

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Go ahead and double the power to win epeen contests :D
 
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WULULULULU said:
First Intel fucks up and now AMD:

The 7800X3D must be a blessing AND a curse. The relatively only good AM5 CPU (good luck finding replacements should your PC age). Should have stuck with AM4.
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Jay? lol, whats next you gonna link LTT?


I refuse to click it:

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LTT somehow having different results than everyone else.

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I clicked it:
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