The British Summer of Discontent - The growing civil unrest of the native British population, sparked by the murder of 3 young girls in Southport

Karen of Human Resources said:
Idi Amin was a Ugandan dictator in the 70s.

At the time, there was a small but very wealthy South Asian merchant class that held a lot of power.

In August 1972 Amin gave all Asians 90 days to leave the country or he'd kill them. No if, no buts. It led to a mass exodus, and the threat to kill them all was no bluff.

Coincidentally, most of them made their way to the UK.


Two major differences in our day.

1) Most Europeans aren't this bloodthirsty. Amin worked in a different time and different culture with no limits to his personal power.

2) Other states would directly intervene to stop them leaving. Nearby African countries weren't concerned because they knew the Asians would find their way mostly to the English speaking western world. Europeans and other English speaking western nations know they'd be the first port of call.
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Earlier ITT, the most I saw that came close to this was the proposal to tax remittances at an extremely high rate if you want people to "deport themselves".


Also, if one were to take this Idi Amin approach, even slightly, you'd need A LOT of support in A LOT of sectors. If you want to go for that, things have to be something like Lord Of The Flies.


Karen of Human Resources said:
2) Other states would directly intervene to stop them leaving. Nearby African countries weren't concerned because they knew the Asians would find their way mostly to the English speaking western world. Europeans and other English speaking western nations know they'd be the first port of call.
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I can easily see some bleeding-heart liberal country taking in these expulsions for a PR win. They get sent to whatever Asian, African, or Arab country will accept them. Or they're thrown on a boat, pushed in the water, and told "enjoy being stateless."

Any of these options would require the military or vigilantes to pull this off. Expect protests that may or may not be crushed in pursuit of these plans.
 
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The EU is currently trying to censor the musk interview with Trump
 
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cybertoaster said:
Opinions?
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Pretty damn spot on. There's an undercurrent on the left, as well as the right, that resents the liberal progressive hijacking of discourse and "respectability".
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Isn’t that just one retarded MEP as opposed to the EU as an organisation?
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He's a member of the EU Commission, Commissioner for the Internal Market, so someone who has actual power. Specifically, he has the power to enforce fines and restrictions against Twatter for allowing Bad Thoughts and Naughty Words.
 
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Random Internet Person said:
Any of these options would require the military or vigilantes to pull this off. Expect protests that may or may not be crushed in pursuit of these plans.
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Indeed! I'm not suggesting this, far from it.

I don't know if people really know how hard it is to actually deport someone. If it's a first generation migrant from a stable western state with treaties in place for that sort of thing, that might be possible.

Most of the people they want to deport, can't be deported. Dumping them in a boat and letting them loose isn't just cruel and likely to get a country painted as the third reich returned, its...Probably not even doable.

The UK is militarily stronger than most of Europe, but does it really want to be having a Cuban missile crisis moment with various other nations?
The UK is a financial centre, but it has wasted exorbitant sums of money on Covid and plenty of other nonsense. Could it take the sanctions that would hit it?
The UK probably would have some sympathy across the world, but that sympathy would probably wear very thin once they start having to take on managing a new migrant crisis.

It borders too far into the realm of fantasy. Even China, vast and largely immune to international opinion as it is hasn't tried to deport its "undesirable" non-Han citizens.

There's plenty of other things a state could try. Forcibly deconstructing multiculturalism and encouraging a monocultural multi ethnic ethos, some sort of reward for moving if you're set on getting them out.

Not as satisfying for those who feel injured perhaps. But far more realistic.
 
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Toothp!ck said:
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Elon and Trump both have ODD. This will provide the opposite result than expected from his request.
Welcome to the Streisand effect, Mr. Breton.
If Trump was going to try avoiding the issue before (doubtful) he will double down now. I’m sure there are, or will soon be, tons of twitter posts from my fellow countrymen about not giving a shit what England has had to say since 1776 and fuck off.

Edit: random misplaced letters
 
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and this is someone on the left you say? this is a shockingly astute observation. this is something i've heard described before, not even just in this thread, but from across the pond buds of mine. it's how it works here, too. people, specifically white people, are getting tired of the unfair treatment. it's an old sam hyde quote; "it's called the knockout game, and eventually, white people are going to get tired of playing it."
 
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Karen of Human Resources said:
There's plenty of other things a state could try. Forcibly deconstructing multiculturalism and encouraging a monocultural multi ethnic ethos, some sort of reward for moving if you're set on getting them out.
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Ban non medical circumcision and actively prosecute all perpetrators on female and male children.
Zero gibs for non citizens
No nhs access for non citizens. You pay, or buy an insurance policy like other countries require.
No social housing for non citizens.
All boat arrivals taken to processing centres offshore, and then investigated and deported. I do not buy that we can’t tell where someone’s from if they’ve destroyed passports. The presumption should be that if you arrive illegally you get sent offshore and languish.
Pay people to keave
Enforce the fucking law of the land.
 
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Otterly said:
Ban non medical circumcision and actively prosecute all perpetrators on female and male children.
Zero gibs for non citizens
No nhs access for non citizens. You pay, or buy an insurance policy like other countries require.
No social housing for non citizens.
All boat arrivals taken to processing centres offshore, and then investigated and deported. I do not buy that we can’t tell where someone’s from if they’ve destroyed passports. The presumption should be that if you arrive illegally you get sent offshore and languish.
Pay people to keave
Enforce the fucking law of the land.
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Call me a cowboy but I would also add a new law where elections must be held every 4 years on a set date and there should be a limit to how long someone can be prime minister. The current system lets weird rigging happen and it needs to be part of the country's clean up. Politics is always dirty but there's ways to wrangle them to be less dirty than we have now. Total political reform is essential or none of this matters as the first labour government will reverse it all
 
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Otterly said:
Enforce the fucking law of the land.
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This more than anything else is what is getting the two-tier shouting going. People on all sides on the political spectrum are tying to conflate it as a race issue but it's not, it's the demonstration that the police, media, politicians and courts can crack on crime when they want to.

And they choose not to except in the case of these riots.
 
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Shiverpeaks said:
Call me a cowboy but I would also add a new law where elections must be held every 4 years on a set date and there should be a limit to how long someone can be prime minister. The current system lets weird rigging happen and it needs to be part of the country's clean up. Politics is always dirty but there's ways to wrangle them to be less dirty than we have now. Total political reform is essential or none of this matters as the first labour government will reverse it all
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Yes. Some form of proportional representation would go a very long way I think. Even if it was just a proportion of seats dictated that way on top of constituencies .
Also, far more restrictions on postal votes.
 
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