Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Russian resistance seems disorganized and piecemeal. Mass casualties, mass surrenders, bombed by their own aviation. And these are ethnic Russians mind you, the demographic Putin was trying to shield from the grinder.
If anyone wasn't already convinced that they're making shit up as they go, they should be now. There's no 4D chess, they struggle to keep up with Ukraine, let alone play many moves ahead.
Putin is learning in real time that he opened Pandora's box, and doesn't know what the fuck to do.

This is what "We'll take Kiev in 3 days, it's going to be fine!" turned into. Very Russian approach, and a very Russian outcome.
 
Russian resistance seems disorganized and piecemeal. Mass casualties, mass surrenders, bombed by their own aviation. And these are ethnic Russians mind you, the demographic Putin was trying to shield from the grinder.
I was thinking that too. While Russian aviation bombing their own troops is lulzy, I don't think we can chalk that up entirely to shear ineptitude. It indicates more that Russia still doesn't fully know where the Ukrainian Army is, or how far they've advanced. The nightmare scenario for them now is this turns into another Kharkiv Couner Offensive. If the Ukrainians blast through whatever secondary defense lines they are hastily trying to pull together, that may be the ball game. I wonder if someone in the Russian Army has had the smart idea to start blowing up the civilian gas stations. All that sweet sweet fuel and food just sitting there, ripe for the taking of any Ukrainian column that happens to drive by.

I know that is what I would be tasking my Helicopters with doing if I was the Russian general. Be a much more productive use of their time then lighting up their own artillery positions.
 
I doubt that. He still thinks he can win, or at the very least come out ahead. I do have to wonder though if he could go back to Feb 20, 2022, whether or not he would have gone over the border knowing this is where he would be today. We all joke about how everything is going according to plan even today, but really the entire vision Russia had for this was dead the moment they had to retreat from Kiev. Everything since has been desperate flailing to try and salvage something from the disaster.
Given how much information control Putin has over Russia to the point the majority of the country is largely unaware of how bad things are, Putin likely could have salvaged this mess after the 40 mile convoy to nowhere by just saying "yes, the special military operation was completed" and pulling back. Russia's reputation was already reduced to a burning paper tiger at that point, it couldn't be salvaged, but he could at least prevent further loss of material and manpower.

But Putin blinded himself with ambition. Kiev was right fucking there and surely the Ukranians couldn't mount that much more of a defense, right? Remember that the Russians were so sure Ukraine would keel over at the mere sight of such equipment on display that all the deployed convoy troops had dress uniforms with them and the brass had made dinner reservations in Kiev.

It really is poetic irony at how what Putin thought Ukraine would do, is in fact what is happening in Kursk right now. And unlike Stalin, Putin wasn't caught with his pants down because of a supposed ally breaking a non-aggression treaty, this is Putin getting caught not wearing pants to begin with by a country he intentionally antagonized in the first place. The morale of whatever forces the Russians even have anymore must be six feet in the dirt by this point that they couldn't even stop a counter invasion from the country they've been trying to invade for nearly three years.

I was thinking that too. While Russian aviation bombing their own troops is lulzy, I don't think we can chalk that up entirely to shear ineptitude. It indicates more that Russia still doesn't fully know where the Ukrainian Army is, or how far they've advanced.

Could also be a problem with material. Ukraine got a critical hit on that airfield when this invasion started, blowing up a LOT of ordinance and a few precious combat planes besides. Drones are fucking taking down helicopters and goddamn warships. MANPADS(?) are also blowing planes out of the sky if they even think about getting close to the front lines.

It could be hesitance on Russia's part simply out of fear to even commit assets like fighters and bombers to counter this assault if they get taken out, because those simply can't be replaced. The simple fact it doesn't seem like Russia has mobilized ANYTHING beyond that one convoy that got blown the fuck up by turning itself into a missile shooting gallery.

Putin managed to fucking lose the Second Battle of Kursk. To what he calls Nazis. Stalin must be spinning in his grave fast enough to break the sound barrier by now.
 
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It really is poetic irony at how what Putin thought Ukraine would do, is in fact what is happening in Kursk right now. And unlike Stalin, Putin wasn't caught with his pants down because of a supposed ally breaking a non-aggression treaty, this is Putin getting caught not wearing pants to begin with by a country he intentionally antagonized in the first place. The morale of whatever forces the Russians even have anymore must be six feet in the dirt by this point that they couldn't even stop a counter invasion from the country they've been trying to invade for nearly three years.
And yet the monkeys in the Kremlin still have the brass balls to call the Ukrainian invasion a "provocation" and "terrorism". Gotta give them props though. They are so committed to the bit that even with Artillery raining on Russian towns and hundreds of thousands of their citizens fleeing as refugees they STILL aren't calling it a war.
 
Are they trying to pass off a Ukrainian Trench assault as a Russian trench assault?
Yes, and they previously also aired that clip of a Russian soldier shooting another Russian soldier in the head, presenting them as being Ukrainian soldiers, with commentary about how such behaviour must be the result of the inhuman attitude of the Kiev Nazi mercenary troops or something along those lines.
 
And yet the monkeys in the Kremlin still have the brass balls to call the Ukrainian invasion a "provocation" and "terrorism". Gotta give them props though. They are so committed to the bit that even with Artillery raining on Russian towns and hundreds of thousands of their citizens fleeing as refugees they STILL aren't calling it a war.
It's the same bullshit similar to what happened with Germany near the end of WWII. They're trapped in their own lies and either actually are huffing their own propaganda, or have to keep up a crumbling charade in fear of what the populace or even the armed forces might do if the government admits how badly they fucked up.
The pants are on his head.
In Soviet Russia, pants wears YOU.
 
Yes, and they previously also aired that clip of a Russian soldier shooting another Russian soldier in the head, presenting them as being Ukrainian soldiers, with commentary about how such behaviour must be the result of the inhuman attitude of the Kiev Nazi mercenary troops or something along those lines.
I think I actually caught that on TV, having seen the original clip in this very thread some days prior, so fucking shameless.
It was a bad idea though, because a lot of people recognized Russian uniform and called it out online despite their allegiance.

I've had many a zigger swear by Russian media, "at least it's not CNN" they said. I tried to explain that Kremlin propaganda is just that, there's no free press and what they get is slop meant to manipulate the masses.
Even after they got caught red-handed blatantly lying like that multiple times, nothing seems to change.
 
I was thinking that too. While Russian aviation bombing their own troops is lulzy, I don't think we can chalk that up entirely to shear ineptitude. It indicates more that Russia still doesn't fully know where the Ukrainian Army is, or how far they've advanced. The nightmare scenario for them now is this turns into another Kharkiv Couner Offensive.
I’m sure that a bunch of Russian telegram accounts saying Ukrainians are in Russian uniforms isn’t helping. Stuff like that would spread to the troops that have been using telegram to ask Putin for more ammo.

And yet the monkeys in the Kremlin still have the brass balls to call the Ukrainian invasion a "provocation" and "terrorism". Gotta give them props though. They are so committed to the bit that even with Artillery raining on Russian towns and hundreds of thousands of their citizens fleeing as refugees they STILL aren't calling it a war.
Admitting it’s a war would be a major embarrassment for Russia. They’ll get to draw plans for mass conscription and throw more men in the grinder but for them claiming to be able to march on Berlin in days to getting routed from Kiev to 2 years of drawn out slogging in the trenches and still not have total control of the air. Last I saw was someone on Twitter post the Kremlin was going to refuse peace talks with Ukraine now over this.
 
They are so committed to the bit that even with Artillery raining on Russian towns and hundreds of thousands of their citizens fleeing as refugees they STILL aren't calling it a war.
Imagine voluntarily evacuating because you believe in the twitter PR offensive. This is your brain on NAFO propaganda.


People who try to derive numbers of soldiers based on the number of named units should read this.
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There's Ukrainian brigades with hundreds of soldiers despite an on paper strength of thousands, similarly battalions with a strength of tens of soldiers, not hundreds.

People who claim 4 figure numbers of soldiers likely add up the maximum theoretical sizes of all brigades of which elements were spotted or mentioned.
 
I’m sure that a bunch of Russian telegram accounts saying Ukrainians are in Russian uniforms isn’t helping. Stuff like that would spread to the troops that have been using telegram to ask Putin for more ammo.
Maybe the Ukrainian special operators are, but its hard to make a Humvee look like Buhanka-chan, so its doubtful this practice is widespread, and certainly not with the mechanized forces.
 
Admitting it’s a war would be a major embarrassment for Russia. They’ll get to draw plans for mass conscription and throw more men in the grinder but for them claiming to be able to march on Berlin in days to getting routed from Kiev to 2 years of drawn out slogging in the trenches and still not have total control of the air. Last I saw was someone on Twitter post the Kremlin was going to refuse peace talks with Ukraine now over this.
I hope they stay in denial until the bitter end. There's already concerns about possible mobilization (even though they struggled to do it the last time, there doesn't even seem to be enough gear for active soldiers), not that it would help in this quickly developing situation. Even then it was said that was only to "reinforce newly formed borders" after so-called LNR and DNR were officially annexed, so basically the same shit they said about conscripts guarding border who was caught in Ukrainian incursion - "getting involved in real combat is extremely unlikely" (we all know how that turned out for some of them).
I frankly don't want to deal with all that shit again. IMO it's a win-win for everyone (except Kremlin).
 
Kursk and Belgorod cities probably, shipping through Voronezh
I hate to powerlevel but an old Russian former work associate I keep in contact with mentioned to me the Russian army and police are breaking into and looting abandoned homes in Belgorod. Apparently it's such an issue it motivates a few to just shelter in place.
 
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