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Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion
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In fairness, a Nuke isn't an instant win button. They are very shit at destroying armored vehicles unless they impact nearby, and even light infantry can survive them if they are in a sufficiently entrenched position. Again, if its not nearby. "Nearby" also depends on the yield of the device. Essentially anything in the fireball zone is pretty fucked, but that zone is very small compared to the overall range of the blast. This is why World War 3 with Nukes was such a nightmare scenario. To be effective tactically, halting an armored spearhead with nukes requires saturation strikes.
Russia first needs to know where the Ukrainian formations ARE in order to nuke them, and even if they did, using a nuke to take out a company of Ukrainian T-72's is major overkill. Conversely, if Russia were to initiate a saturation strike of nukes within its own borders, lots of Russians would die and it would be the ultimate declaration of weakness. Putin's army can't defend mother Russia from a few Brigades of a nation they were arguing was fake 2 years ago. It would be political poison. The international reaction would also be bad. Maybe not as bad had Putin nuked Ukrainian territory as opposed to his own, but even still it would dramatically escalate the risks of an international intervention in the conflict.
Then of course there is also the wildcard of Ukraine having a few toys they accidentally forgot to get rid of back in the 90's. There is a greater then 0% chance of this, and its probably something that keeps the more paranoid in the Russian government up at night.
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Easy, just declare that the nukes were American. How dare they escalate into nuclear strikes on Russian soil!
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You do know what Russians must then do to save face?
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Ukraine has sent in the 82nd and 95th Air Assault Brigades to join the Kursk offensive.
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This is assuming that any of their nukes even work, not to mention Russia never confirmed the deactivation of Dead Hand, now did they? Additionally, it was said back when that one missile ended up in Poland by accident that nuclear fallout from a Russian missile drifting into NATO territory would trigger Article 5.
Basically, Putin using the nukes, assuming they even still work and aren't rusty radioactive bombs that'll explode the moment the launch trigger is engaged, would ensure escalation from the west and subsequently a swift destruction of Russia entirely within 48 hours if not sooner.
What may be happening here is Ukraine straight up pushing the Russian army to the breaking point with this invasion that doesn't seem to have a clear objective. After a whole summer of failed assaults, when the army should be regrouping is when the Ukranians suddenly made a breakthrough on a direct course to Kursk of all places, far from the main frontline. This is something that Russia can't afford to allow happen and yet as we've seen, they're setting up trenches far from the actual conflict zone and pathetically throwing piecemeal detachments that are getting axed long before they even get there. While at the same time, they can't pull forces from the east lest they risk the Ukranians making a push down there.
At this point I have to think a drive to KPP is now the main objective. You do not commit 15K troops to keep momentum going if your intentions are not to move forward.
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I got to go to one back in 2005. None of the shit I saw prototyped ever made it to mass production anywhere. It was as much a fantasy experience as a Comic-con. Complete with Cosplayers, but in this case the Cosplay was "next generation uniforms and equipment". The things are just a massive excuse to see and be seen. The more interesting stuff was the demonstrations of equipment already in production. It was a good opportunity for each countries arms industry to self fellate themselves.
In other news, Sky News took a tour up to the border and then got to go see one of the Ukrainian Dungeons where the Russian Conscripts ended up.
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The Kremlin is hoping they are going to accomplish what forests full of freezing mobliks accomplished after Kharkiv counter assault: hopefully slow Ukraine down enough for Russia's dogass logistics & worthless training centers to move sufficient forces in to stent the incursion. Then allow them to trade 1,000 men and 15 BMPs for 10 cm of territory at a time.
They are just conducting war the only way Russia knows how: send a bunch of sacrificial units to try to use their corpses to gum up the treads of the advancing enemy to buy the main force time to dig in, and then hope they have more men than the enemy has bullets while begging for armor from some other country.
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The fact that they are using the Princelings fresh from Summer Camp as the meat shield in this is pretty instructive of the desperation. In reality they probably have no choice. Once the Border units and the Tik Tok Chechens got routed the only units they did have were the paramilitary police and the national service teenagers. Russia can't just pull its actual fighting units out of the Donbass and send them Kursk. Those units are locked in a grinding trench war with the UAF in that theater. If they pulled away too rapidly they risk another Kharkiv reverse Uno in Donetsk this time, potentially undoing an entire year and a half of effort.
Funny story. All those units that were sent for a meat wave in the failed effort to take Vovchansk would have been insanely useful right about now. Pity that. Turns out there is actually a good reason why a reserve force is kept IN RESERVE. Yeah, front liners love to make fun of them as REMF's, and more aggressive officers absolute despise what they see as wasted resources. But oh man, if you need a Reserve force and don't have one does it suck big fat donkey balls. And this Donkey is making Russia suck em while it kicks them in the face.
In more news, this was state media in the USA.
Leading with more videos of the Russian tricolor getting thrown in the mud with the Blue and Gold being hoisted to replace it. As the kids say, not a good look.
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So, sounds like what the US military cooked up for the two world wars with lead-antimony shot that's been copper electro-plated in #00 size (0.33" or 8.38mm). Yawn.
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It does get the clicks though, Russia got retards to claim they invented body armor that could stop a fucking .50 cal back in 2021.
Bonus points for it looking like the most generic sci fi armor ever.
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Dmytri, the suit need more hexagon for bullet immunity.
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I'm pretty sure that's just a Titan exotic from Destiny 2.
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I mean its not like the mobliks they had shrink wrapped in the trees couple winters ago were grizzled vets. It is very clearly the generals not caring who or what they throw piecemeal into the grinder as long as they are throwing someone in there.
The Chechens peacing out was some real lol shit. Vatniggers love to paint chechens as some sort of ultimate bad-asses; ooo they go fight in Syria! they are all skilled and harded from fighting Burgers in afghanistan for two decades! but they were just barrier troops, couldn't even do that, and the minute they encountered actual military resistance and would have to stand and fight, not try to hide behind women and children blowing up IEDs and making every day manlove thursday.
Don't you threaten me with a good time.
Its even worse that that, and potentially so, so much worse than that.
Russia's horrible logistics, and terror over what F-16chan might do to them, and lolsplosion at their airbase has made them slow to redeploy squadrons. Because its not just sending 12 Su-34s to the north, even if we assume Slavic airframe maintenance (none) they need to move lots of heavy, explosive ordinance to the new airbases. The critically endangers Ka-52 has been doing nearly all of Russia's airsupport work, minus the occasional lobbed glide bomb.
Anyway that was a long way to say that redeploying troops doesn't just mean pulling troops, it means pulling support like airwings that would likely be as slow or slower to deploy back once the crisis is over.
If Ukraine did another rope-a-dope and launched a breakthrough assault and actually made a large scale penetration through the Surovikin line... that's not just erasing a year and half of WWI grinding advance, its losing that defensive salient and never getting those defensive works back even if you do eventually retake the territory.
Troy Hurtubise wants his shit back.
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Maybe. But I don't see any breakthroughs in Donetsk unless Russia really fumbles the ball on the 10 yard line, since all the troops Ukraine would need to capitalize on this are heading into Russia itself right now.
Syrski has clearly not lacked for courage. He's proven to be willing to make outrageous bets while holding a losing hand. This worked for him in the Kharkiv campaign but became a fiasco at Bakhmut. Kursk is more of the same. It's bold and audacious and clearly Putin didn't expect it. Now we just have to see if Ukraine can actually win the pot with this all in shove.
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Maybe in the short term, but...that directly led to Werner turning on Putin. Which forced Putin to dispose of one of his (formerly) most loyal subordinates, who I'm pretty sure was irreplaceable given Wener's largely fucked off to Africa as a result.
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Yeah Bakhmut was still an exceptionally high disproportionate casualty sink for Russia; and should have been held onto as long as feasible to keep the advance stalled and the meatwaves being burned through.
I've heard it was pretty much somewhere between 1:5 to 1:8 Ukrainian vs Russian casualties.
I've heard it was pretty much somewhere between 1:5 to 1:8 Ukrainian vs Russian casualties.
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This reminded me, one of my coworker's sons just returned from his mandatory service last month somewhere in that region as well. Even got some kind of medal just for being there, dunno what's that about... Anyway, he's really damn lucky
None of these conscripts expected to be in this sort of danger, nor wanted it.
They're supposed to be Putin's Sardaukar, which makes it that much funnier.
Don't remember this being posted, but UK's nicest gay went to UA:
I could hardly stomach it. Hearing about everything that was done to them and realizing it's only a minuscule fraction of what's happening is just harrowing.
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I like how they're showing her a nice trophy rifle, waiting for some acknowledgement of how bad-ass it is that they got one, and she's acting like he's holding up a dead fish; "so uh... they ran away?"
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