Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

iirc Dragon skin was cost-prohibitive, production didn't scale (lol), and while it was better than anything else that lgiht and flexible, it wasnt even truly bullet proof.
I think it theory it could stop regular AK-47 and AK-74 rounds in common use by insurgents, but not M855A1. Probably not M855 at close ranges either, but I'm not sure. Maybe that would have depended on barrel length. I say "in theory", because the "scales" were glued in and tended not to stay where they were meant to be.
 
We need to cut off all ties to every country cause they have CP in those countries, even if its illegal there it still has it I can't believe we give the UK the time of day when they have child predators we should kick them from NATO and all blockade all trade so those chomos have to pay even more for gas.
 
2. The only morally defensible positions to take on a fight between two shitholes, are either to abstain from the conflict entirely, or sell weapons to both, so that they can kill one another faster.
If that's what you truly believe then why so intent on defending Russia? Why not just laugh at Ukraine's mobiks getting grabbed off the street and chucked at machine gun fire and Russia's mobiks getting pulverized by their own artillery?
 
4. This thread is probably full of people who don't live in either country, and so, are definitionally choosing sides based largely on what propaganda they prefer.
I have considered Ukraine a shithole since before this war began, and my position hasn't magically changed just because they're the football in an asinine international spectator bloodsport.
Funny if you actually follow this thread you will know there is quite a few regulars that are Ukrainian/Slavic that are much more affected than you I'm sure.
For myself my mother is Ukrainian and while we don't live there the town in Canada I live in has a sizable Ukrainian population and you wouldn't be surprised to hear the young and old having discussions in Ukrainian and its probably one of the few European nations where its expats are still invested in their culture and identity because it is and has been under attack for so many years and we're not pussy whipped into being sorry for what we have done to keep it.
 
@Obstacle the zigger cope cage is right here --> https://kiwifarms.st/threads/150029/

4. This thread is probably full of people who don't live in either country, and so, are definitionally choosing sides based largely on what propaganda they prefer.
I suppose you're one of these people that thinks there is no objective truth, just social consensus propaganda. In reality, propaganda is a tiny portion of the information that is available. For example, it's an objective fact that Russia attacked Ukraine and is trying to annex its territory.

3. This war isn't even about Ukraine, it's just Nato posturing against Russia.
Ukraine is just the shithole it went down in, and now every politician in the Western world, has to pretend to care DEEPLY about a country that they wouldn't have spared a second thought two years prior.
That's, like, completely normal. If an earthquake hits a city, many people will donate to local charities to help. They might not have given that city a second thought before, but that's because there was nothing specific to think about when there was no crisis. Maybe you're so Z-brained that you think everything has to be a power play instead of normal human emotions and behavior.

I'm bored now and won't bother with the rest of your drivel.
 
I remember back in the middle of Iraq/Afganistan that the US had its own turn at the "Future Soldier" with Dragon Skin body armour that was supposed to be able to stop any conventional round and yadda yadda but nothing ever came of it.
Not exactly true as much did come of it and it wasn't good. Even the guy who created it said it was crap when he sold it and the patents to another guy. Who was the one to heavily marketed it to the U.S. military. The U.S. Army decided to check it out and put it through their torture tests where it had completely and utterly failed to hold up at all. The main problem is the tiles which is the armor component is held in place by adhesives and during the Army torture test that adhesive failed to hold the titles in place and they fall to the bottom of the vest when upright. The guy peddling dragon skin to the U.S. Army went full tardcow on disputing the test results. Which got Congress involved wondering wtf is going on and started tard wrangling everybody. One thing leading to another and eventually dragon skin lolcow got himself blacklisted hard by the U.S. military.

Edit: Almost forgot about this, the reason the U.S. Army even trial Dragon Skin in the first place was the hype it can stop rifle caliber bullets. So the Army shot it with their 30.06 AP rounds and dragon completely failed to stopped any of the shots. Whether straight from the manufacturer and unsoiled and those already put thru the torture tests. Which further set off the lolcow as he was tarding over the Army actually using rifle ammunition instead of pistol ammunition to test the tard's claims.
 
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Ukraine has no ability to forced a decisive battle on Russia, or deplete Russian forces on the offensive.
The successes of 2022 were enabled by two factors:
- lack of fortifications on the Russian side
- severe shortages of manpower allowing Ukrainians to circumvent Russian strong points (forcing retreats and abandonment of heavy weapons that could then be used to reinforce Ukrainian forces)
Neither of these is present anywhere in Ukraine anymore.

For Ukraine, losing 1000 veterans is a painful loss that will be felt on the lines, for Russia losing 10k is an average week. While Ukrainians mourn their dead, Russian society could not care less. The Russian manpower pool, Soviet inheritance and the Russian economy cannot sustain this war forever. All metrics are trending downwards with significant issues predicted for 2025 in about every field.
But this is conditional on Ukraine continuing to inflict a certain loss rate, while severely outmanned and outgunned and with far less heavy equipment. This worked until the effects of the Kremlin controlled Republicans in the US succeeded in ending weapons shipments to Ukraine for half a year and the Ukrainian parliament delayed a call up of new recruits. While this was going on, there was no such pause in Russia, on the contrary, large amounts of ammunition were procured from Korea while mongoloids (both literally and metaphorically) continued to sign contracts with the MoD, increasing the imbalance, which would now require a big catch up, which is not happening. Supplies apparently merely resumed to already anaemic pre-interference levels.
The result is the rapid (by WW I standards) deterioration of the situation on the Eastern Front. Not because Russians have become more capable (though some degree of adaptation and learning takes place), but because they can simply flood over Ukrainian defenses like a subhuman tide, taking less losses in the process than they would have otherwise.

This incursion into Kursk stripped yet more troops and munitions from the East (ammunition is still a massive issue in general), while no significant change occurred on the Russian side.
Reminder that the Kharkiv invasion's goal was to force Ukraine to divert troops from the East, which it succeeded at. The Kursk invasion accomplished the same, as the Ukrainian intention seems to be to open a new defensive line there, WITH TROOPS TAKEN FROM THE EAST. In enemy territory without any significant defensive advantages. Fighting continues there, as the Russian response was slow and chaotic as usual, but as more troops arrive, these structural issues will begin to matter less.
If there was a goal to force the US to uncuck itself and allow strikes on Russian frontline air fields, that failed. The cuckoldry of the US government knows no limits. I have not seen any use of GMLRS after that one attack either, so I do wonder whether a phone call was made to Ukraine about that.
There's also been no visually confirmed destruction of large amounts of Russian heavy equipment in Kursk, likely because there simply wasn't a whole lot to begin with, which enabled the incursion in the first place, and there aren't being "columns destroyed", there is evidence of a couple trucks being struck once by GLMRS. On the other hand, Ukrainian DRGs have been getting ambushed and bombed since the Russians woke up and sent troops there. The VKS is far from useless, it is an essential tool enabling the Russians to destroy Ukrainian strong points with impunity, reducing Russian army losses and enabling advances that otherwise would not be possible.
So, what exactly justifies the continued reinforcement of the invasion of Kursk? It has value as propaganda for both Ukrainian and Western audiences, but don't see it resulting in additional aid or a lessening of restrictions on Ukrainian targeting. I do not think a few headlines make up for the losses of men and materiel.

Wirth regards to the domestic Russian response:
Something Westerners do not ever seem to get into their head is that nobody in Russia expects the government to work. At all. They get mad when it fucks them over again, but they generally aren't surprised and it doesn't spur them into action. It's like waking up and seeing that a hailstorm dented your car. It sucks, but what can you do about it except complain?
It's not whining on the US level of "I can't afford a mansion in downtown NYC and I cannot pay for my 150k USD car with cash up front, I live in abject poverty", it's "I made 4,000 USD last year working as a biological filter at the concrete plant, a flood destroyed the only road out of my village and nobody repairs it, my drunk neighbor is threatening to shoot me and the police told me to pay them if I want them to do something about it. I live in a wooden shack without running water."

This is paired with truly lunatic levels of "my country, right or wrong".
If the US invaded Canada because "it's basically the same nation and historically part of Manifest Destiny", and then lost hundreds of thousands of soldiers while striking Canadian hospitals and levelling Canadian cities and systematically destroying civilian infrastructure with artillery and missile strikes, executed Canadian POWs or send civilians to torture dungeons, Americans would protest this barbarity, because there is a sense that the righteousness of the American Project is tied to some degree of justice, morality, "goodness". There is nothing like that in Russian culture. The only value is power, and power is measured in the destruction of outsiders and the amount of territory under direct control of the government.
No consideration is made as to whether there is a good reason to do this, or whether there is a benefit to it, or about morality of the actions. Genuinely: Mainstream culture does not care about these aspects. At all.

Same with public humiliations of Russia.
Putin could go live on TV sucking Kim Jong Un's dick and people would shrug and say "he probably has a good reason, we don't know all the truth". A week later, nobody remembers it.

I wouldn't be surprised if Russian manpower losses in Kursk would be made up completely by idiots volunteering to defend the Motherland against Nazi invaders. War in Ukraine? Russian atrocities? Who cares, it's our country, and how dare they!
 
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I remember back in the middle of Iraq/Afganistan that the US had its own turn at the "Future Soldier" with Dragon Skin body armour that was supposed to be able to stop any conventional round and yadda yadda but nothing ever came of it.
To be fair, modern heavy body armor could probably stop large conventional rounds, the issue is A.) It's so heavy it's useless in combat, and more importantly B.) The guy's organs are still going to be absolutely shredded from the kinetic energy alone, people tend to forget even if the bullet is stopped, if it's any sort of rifle round the dude is definitely gonna get knocked on his ass and have a nasty bruise.
 
And it's an objective fact, that I have 0 reasons, count 'em; NO reasons, to give a solitary fuck about that.

You wanna play world police?
Do it with your own fucking money.
Go get elbow deep in every dirty little war between nobodies you can find.
If you've got real nonce nouse you'll figure out how to make big Biden bucks from investing in shitholes.

This is a Biden war.
It's as corrupt and futile as his entire family lineage.

And this whole retard spiel of
>What's that? you don't support MY CP factory state of choice?
>WELL YOU MUST SUPPORT THE OTHER ONE!

No!
No!
No!
You ugly simpering monkey-people.
You are ALL evil and stupid.
You are ALL wrong, and I don't want to give ANY of you my money or support.
What I want, is for you all to put your money where your fucking mouth is, ship out, and get killed, so I don't have to hear about your gay retard fake nigger war any more.
If we don't get a news story of a brit strapping himself with C4 and running up to parliament in a week we will know you're a gay faggot and that you don't actually really care and you're here just to shit up the thread.
 
Ukraine could be the most disgusting smelling pile of manure in a history of the world. That still doesn't excuse Russian actions or their premise for invasion or their shit like doing an oopsie with a cruise missile at a cancer ward full of children.

>CP

Ukraine acknowledges its CP problem and criminalises every aspect of it. That's how you fight it.

Go rage bait somewhere else, you subhuman bint.
 
At least when I ragebaited the Russian thread I just stuck to "Are you winning yet" rather than some retarded points.
1. Ukraine was a world class child porn mill before this war, and as soon as they get their servers back online, it will become a world class child porn mill again, whether Russia conquers, or not.
What's even this argument, at least angle it as government related or some shit. It basically amounts to "there is child rape in Ukraine, it should instead be mass child rape by Russian troops".

The only morally defensible positions to take on a fight between two shitholes, are either to abstain from the conflict entirely, or sell weapons to both, so that they can kill one another faster.
Russia started to support wars against my country (Israel) so I definitely have a vested interest in Russia getting what it deserves for playing kingmaker. But even without this angle, you have a clear aggressor that can't even keep its own justifications consistent.

This war isn't even about Ukraine, it's just Nato posturing against Russia.
Ukraine is just the shithole it went down in, and now every politician in the Western world, has to pretend to care DEEPLY about a country that they wouldn't have spared a second thought two years prior.
Doesn't this run counter to 2 since now you are saying that if your country is part of NATO (which the USA is) then they have part in the war?

This thread is probably full of people who don't live in either country, and so, are definitionally choosing sides based largely on what propaganda they prefer.
I have considered Ukraine a shithole since before this war began, and my position hasn't magically changed just because they're the football in an asinine international spectator bloodsport.
"I don't like countries being invaded for no sane reason" - propaganda.
 
Next time Ruski says the west is suffering just show him this guy. The shit they have to put up with in Russia, meanwhile this guy is having a mental breakdown over having to pay a quarter of a smartphone or a week of uber eats extra on his energy bills.
Oh and having to read news about the war he actively seeks out.

A cartoonist couldn't do a better job creating a caricature.
 
Zelensky and Syrski did say that beyond creating a security buffer the purpose of Ukraines invasion of Russia was to make the war a reality for the Russian people.

I think they are succeeding.
True, Putin is doing everything to try and keep the general public in Russia not even realizing a war is going on, but the fact conscripts got captured and the big bald bastard himself getting mad on state television was a rare break in form for him? I have to wonder how Ukraine is going to keep the heat going.

Nah, because I already said, I'm not here "in good faith".
I'm here to shit all over you, for fun, because you are all retarded faggots, armchair generals, instant experts and rubbernecking vultures, daisy-chaining around a tyre-fire and deeply inhaling the fumes.
Say "I got banned from Reddit" without saying "I got banned from Reddit"
 
The WSJ published an article that explains in detail how Ukrainians blew up the NS pipeline.
Their source for all of it is "unnamed Ukrainians", so high in the chain of command they can quote both Zelenskyy and Zaluzhnyi.
Interesting timing for people so high in the food chain and so patriotic they are willing to take such risks to come forward with this type of a story.
No mention of all the issues and open questions wrt the logistical feasibility of the small boat plot.

I wonder whether these are the same "unnamed officials" who fed Hersh his scoops back in the day.
 
3. This war isn't even about Ukraine, it's just Nato posturing against Russia.
Ukraine is just the shithole it went down in, and now every politician in the Western world, has to pretend to care DEEPLY about a country that they wouldn't have spared a second thought two years prior.
You are SO CLOSE to understanding.

In the west, the war isn’t about Ukraine. It is about EXTERMINATING RUSSIANS.

We are working towards a better future. A future where the Russian language is spoken only in hell!
 
This genuinely wtf footage. Ive now seen this multiple times where the vehicle dropping off Russians does it with them exposed to enemy fire all the while providing zero fire support themselves.
I've done this in Battlefield, it worked sometimes, but I only did it because we could respawn in case it didn't.
 
I implore jannies to react to this braindead sperging, not like this tard came to discuss anyone or anything.

Anyway, Belgorod Oblast joins Kursk after declaring the state of emergency. There are rumors a nation-wide state of emergency might be issued if situation isn't contained (it won't). At least, governors of border areas want that. Also rumored are a fucking job offers for digging trenches in Kursk, with salaries starting from 1600 USD. That's a lot of money for a typical kacap.

I wanted this show to be less half-assed then last year's Belgorod freedom fighters. I'm not disappointed
In the west, the war isn’t about Ukraine. It is about EXTERMINATING RUSSIANS.
Amen. I don't particularily love Ukrainians or care that much a bout them. But I absolutely hate kacaps for destroying my country for centuries, hardly receiving any apology from them, imposing a marxism-leninism on us and, mainly, behaving like a fucking cattle in CS:GO. Fuck them, whoever is buck breaking these uncivilized drunken mongols deserves a praise, be it ukrops, spurdos, japs or chinks.
 
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