TGWTG Linkara / Lewis Lovhaug - HMMMMMMM? (Dead Gay Muppet Gangbang)

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I could be wrong, but I doubt Felix,

Well Felix is technically retired and I think he does his Vlogs now for when his kid is grown up.

 

[Mystery Spy]

Well Felix is technically retired and I think he does his Vlogs now for when his kid is grown up.

Yeah, I did mention earlier in the thread that I think smart YouTubers like him are aiming for a retiremen here:

The only smart YouTubers are the ones that take it as a side gig, or are earning a lot of more money than they ever would with a real job, maybe even millions, and are saving, and investing their money for when the well dries up. Think Peweiepie or h3h3 as much as he is a loathsome person

It makes sense for people earning six, 5 figures range, or maybe even some at the very top of the fourth figure range, to invest all their time, on youtube. Even DSP qualifies. His grift is that profitable.

However, Only an idiot with no backup plan would live paycheck by paycheck from YouTube and expect that to last forever. Like, Linkara. That's why I think he is is due for a rude awakening.

It will likely be a slow death because his fans will bail him out for a while. A whimper not a bang. But he is delusional if he thinks he will be rich or making a decent living in 10 or 20 years, or the rest of his life, with the exact same formula and zero effort to improve.

Nothing lasts forever, and atop the fourth wall is barely giving him enough money to live as it is. It’s not going to get better for him. Not like this,

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

It makes sense for people earning six, 5 figures range, or maybe even some at the very top of the fourth figure range, to invest all their time, on youtube. Even DSP qualifies. His grift is that profitable.

DSP is poor because he is DSP and is a fucking Gatcha addict. He could be living very comfortably with what he has made in the past 16 years.

 

[Mystery Spy]

DSP is poor because he is DSP and is a fucking Gatcha addict. He could be living very comfortably with what he has made in the past 16 years.

I agree. Which is why I think Lewis's case is more dire. DSP as bad as he is, is earning more money than what he would've ever earned in a real job. But it's true the guy is a waste in all senses, and a money pit. He would find ways to become poor even if he had Mr Beast's income. A true loser.

As for lewis? He is not making even DSP numbers. He is making more than retail, but defintively less than many office jobs. Lewis is willingly choosing a sinking ship out of pure ego and lazyness. DSP is losing money out of stupidity. Linkara never had those numbers except maybe only briefly when CA was at its prime. Nowdays, he is just living off scraps from his Channel Awesome days, and still declining.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I agree. Which is why I think Lewis's case is more dire. DSP as bad as he is, he is earning more money than what he would've ever earned in a real job. But it's true the guy is a waste in all senses, and a money pit. He would find ways to become poor even if he had Mr Beast's income. A true loser.

As for lewis? He is not making even DSP numbers. He is making more than retail, but defintively less than many office jobs. Lewis is willingly choosing a sinking ship put of pure ego and lazyness. DSP is losing money out of stupidity. But Linkara never had it in the first place. He is just living off scraps from his Channel Awesome days.

I think he would be living off less scraps if he didnt become hostile to his own fanbase when "current year" started

 

[Adamska]

Lewis did make solid numbers, but he almost certainly fucked up in managing his money. Much like Phil he pissed it away somehow, and he refuses to focus on the parts he needs to pay first.

He'd also have made more if he was willing to experiment or dabble with his format or you know, made shit that his audience wanted.

But his entitlement and belief that he can slap shit together and it's perfect due to his ego doomed him.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I think he would be living off less scraps if he didnt become hostile to his own fanbase when "current year" started

Yeah his hostility definitely made it worse especially with how thin Lewis’ skin is when anyone makes him the butt of a joke or trolls him

 

[Mystery Spy]

Lewis did make solid numbers, but he almost certainly fucked up in managing his money. Much like Phil he pissed it away somehow, and he refuses to focus on the parts he needs to pay first.

I do wonder how much he was earning bach when Channel Awesome was at its prime and Blip was gving them more money than youtube. It probably didn't last more than a few years. But you're right, most likely he mismanaged whatever money he had.

I do know for a fact that even second tier popular youtubers, and has beens, were in the million dollar range of total earnings. I doubt that's the case with Lewis, but if I am wrong, I personally wouldn't be surprised if he was cheap instead, and only pretending to be poor to e-beg as many youtubers love to. Let's not forget that his income estimate based on his taxes isn't taking into account his earnings prior to that year.

Personally I think It's doubtful he was earning as much as Doug, or even Lindsay.

 

[Random Internet Person]

 

[JohnMc]

He tried to court sponsors. not even Raid: Shadow Legends would touch him.

Wow. Lewis' view count must be terrible if not even Raid would touch him.

 

[The tired cat]

Wow. Lewis' view count must be terrible if not even Raid would touch him.

Well, I'd say it's more them lookin' at who his audience is, the Raid guys do have a system that picks up who's more liable to be addicted to a gambling type game like Raid. Naturally, I doubt Linky has young kids watching his streams, women or guys who have huge gambling addictions.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Well, I'd say it's more them lookin' at who his audience is, the Raid guys do have a system that picks up who's more liable to be addicted to a gambling type game like Raid. Naturally, I doubt Linky has young kids watching his streams, women or guys who have huge gambling addictions.

So no Raid Shadow Legends. Next you’ll tell me he can’t get sponsored by a VPN. Or Genshin Impact. Or Raycon earbuds.

 

[The tired cat]

So no Raid Shadow Legends. Next you’ll tell me he can’t get sponsored by a VPN. Or Genshin Impact.

Nope and nope, Genshin falls into the same cloud as Raid in a way, so they're out. VPN? Weeeelll...I doubt they'd wanna approach Lewis after his famous "adblocker" rant.

 

[Falcon Sebben]

He's going to run out of things to talk about at some point.

Lewis will never run out of things to talk about especially if he can talk about himself and how awesome his self-insert power fantasy is.

 

[FiveStarAce]

It's time to publish Angel Armor 2.

 

[LaughJoke2.0]

Lewis will never run out of things to talk about especially if he can talk about himself and how awesome his self-insert power fantasy is.

The Sad truth is if he wasn't on the SJW train the 2010's to now has been a gift to anyone who reviews bad comics. The last 15 years of Marvel and DC make the 90's look like a Golden Age. The 90's were maligned due to Foil Covers, Special Editions, and Rob Liefeld style of writing and art. But there was a lot of good in the 90's I'd argue more good than bad, and the companies would usually turn things around. Avengers sucked for a while then Thunderbolts and Heroes Returns happened, and Avengers, Cap, and Iron Man had great runs after that. The Clone saga was a clusterfuck but then they brought back Peter and Norman, and it was great for a while. The 90's would course correct this new era outside of Rebirth trying to fix the New 52 doesn't and not only do they not course correct they usually double down. If Lewis was willing to mine it, he could get years' worth of content out of it, but he won't because he's too much of a pussy and afraid of being called Alt Right for it.

 

[MisterBee]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCejehlk5eLZlzgGP1rUx8kw/community?lb=UgkxsqxuQn05ir2VIGBKow9-SCb9bev3fcuG

$200 a year is still too much for him now, and the cost of a PO Box is too much as well. He bitches about the non-issue Patreon payment change as well, and tries to make it sound dire when, as detailed earlier, it will only affect one month's payment.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I do wonder how much he was earning bach when Channel Awesome was at its prime and Blip was gving them more money than youtube. It probably didn't last more than a few years. But you're right, most likely he mismanaged whatever money he had.

Back on Blip he peaked at around 60k a video, occasionally breaking into the 100k mark, and stayed there for about five or six years. I know HOPR did way better but not sure by how much since those numbers were never public and are long gone by now. He mentioned the most he ever made was $7 cpm, basically 0.7 cents per view. So for a 60k video, he made $420. His highest viewed video was his first one, which got 750k because of autoplay, the second highest was the second video, at 300k, so he never got the numbers he now gets on YT. According to this blog, he totalled 49,500,000 views total. But I doubt he made close to 3.5 million on the channel because over the years it'd fluctuate.

If you look at the show, it's easy to see where the money went. Power Rangers toys, statuettes, trade paperbacks he bought after buying the individual issues, and cheap costumes he got scammed into paying more for. Liz once said the old apartment had an extra bedroom for his comic collection, so he had even more on top of the book case behind him and the one in the living room. The Viga came in and that money stopped being used for that shit and went to her.

 

[Random Internet Person]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCejehlk5eLZlzgGP1rUx8kw/community?lb=UgkxsqxuQn05ir2VIGBKow9-SCb9bev3fcuG

$200 a year is still too much for him now, and the cost of a PO Box is too much as well. He bitches about the non-issue Patreon payment change as well, and tries to make it sound dire when, as detailed earlier, it will only affect one month's payment.

This is not TECHNICALLY a State of the Wall update, but it might as well be considering I'm giving info a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes. Not counting it as one simply because no schedule available given things are kind of... in flux right now. First and foremost: NEW MERCH DROP!

I asked for opinions on Patreon and Youtube what people wanted to see in merch. Some are things I can do, some are things I really can't do, and some I can do but they'll take a while.

The easiest ones to put together, though, were keychains and earrings! We'll be having magnets soon, as well (including an awesome one featuring the AT4W logo made by the ever-talented Magic Steve), we're just working out a few kinks in the design that are causing color-bleedthrough. Otherwise, if you want to have Comicron One or Pollo dangling from your ears, take a look at THIS: https://atop-the-fourth-wall.storenvy... ! Or, of course, if you'd like Pollo or the AT4W symbol on a keychain, you can look HERE: https://atop-the-fourth-wall.storenvy... ! And of course everything else in the store is still available for purchase, so if you want a Comicron One model, a Robomat, or some badge cards, get them!

On the subject of merchandise, though, there IS a (hopefully) temporary snag. Digital download copies of the DVDs are not going to be available for a bit. Finances have been tighter as of late and Vimeo charges $200 per year to host VOD purchases and downloads and that was $200 I couldn't spare this month. It's possible I'll bring them back on Vimeo sooner rather than later, but I'm open to exploring any ideas or options people have for other digital downloads of the DVDs (including Winter of '83) that people think might work. The physical copies are still available, of course. Speaking of financial shifts, prices have gone up for my PO Box so that will also be closing... though definitely not permanently there. There will be a new location and address for the box and the old box will still be active until October 15th.


I'll start advertising the new address as we get closer to the closing date and remind everyone several times as we come along to make sure that if you have any last-minute stuff you want to send there until then, you should do so (speaking of, there is a PO Unboxing we filmed a month or two ago we just haven't gotten to putting up yet - will try to do so soon). Remember that you have two more months with that box location and afterwards packages will be sent back to you if you try to send them to the old location! For other financial stuff outside my control, we move on to Patreon. Patreon announced a couple days ago a shift - if you paid for your membership via the iOS Patreon app, there will be a 30% additional charge made on it. This one is actually not Patreon's fault - apparently Apple regularly does this with anything done via apps found on their store. It is ludicrous and monopolistic, but it's BS. This charge DOES not apply if you make your pledge via a web browser or on android or other non-iOS devices. I personally do not see a need for a Patreon app at all because all of its functionalities are the same via browser, but I wanted to let people know about this so you can make adjustments accordingly since I doubt you all want a 30% additional charge. The other Patreon news, however, is definitely their fault and I'm not happy about it.

Patreon offers a few different methods for creators to receive payment - primarily monthly or per-creation. For some video creators, that works out fine because they don't like charging people the same amount per month because of varying amounts of videos they put out per month. People like me, however, NEED that guaranteed income monthly to keep doing what we're doing. Patreon has announced that within 16 months, they will be discontinuing the per-creation model and switching strictly to monthly. Hopefully this can get pushed back and reversed for my friends and colleagues who are affected by this, but there's a second half of this which is much more harmful to me. The other thing they'll be switching with their subscriptions is changing when patrons get charged. In the current system, people get charged at the beginning of the month after the initial payment, meaning if you paid on the 2nd of the month, you'll get charged again at the 1st of the next month, same for if you initially paid at the 27th of the month. Under the new model they wish to implement, you get charged again the next month on the same day, so you get charged on the 27th of one month, then the 27th of the next month.

I understand why some people would prefer this model - both creators and patrons... but for me this is a problem. The majority of my bills are due at the end of the month or the beginning of the month, meaning that is the time frame I need the majority of my money.

It consequently lets me plan out the month to know how much money I have available for those bills/payments in the middle or so-forth and budget accordingly. I'm sure people will try to push back on this and again, we have a little over a year to make accommodations and I'll do so if need be, but I may ask patrons in the future to end their patronage and then re-up at the beginning of the month to try to keep this consistent (obviously if that's not possible for you, I understand and won't hold that against you). We'll see how this goes, but that's what's going on. Consequently, some creators are looking to change how they operate by doing more with Youtube memberships. I'll be honest - I've been resistant to this because I haven't seen much value in the Youtube memberships that isn't already available via my Patreon (especially since I think Youtube takes a bigger cut than Patreon), but I'd be open to hearing some possibilities and what people would want out of channel memberships, even if it's not any different than the stuff I already offer on Patreon. And finally: the schedule. The plan had been to release the revised SPD video at the end of June, then have all of July for Event Comics Month, then leave August and September to do all the remaining Patreon-sponsored reviews, maybe even slip in an additional Mr. T review. This did not end up happening. The SPD redo took longer than I thought it would, Secret Wars II THOROUGHLY kicked my ass with how much of a slog it was to write and edit it (especially since it ended up being an hour and 20 minutes long), and there's personal life stuff that went on that took me away from working on videos on top of everything else, so things are a bit more fluid.

I want October for Halloween episodes PERIOD, so if need be, I'll push the remaining Patreon-sponsored reviews into November to finish them off. Where does that leave Secret Origins Month, then, since this was supposed to be its return after two years absent? Well, I'm down for pushing it to January or so if people are interested. Sure, there may be some more Patreon-sponsored reviews to do (since the slots will be reopening in September, as always), but at least some episodes focusing on origins will be available (although I admit, Secret Origins Month gets harder to plan each year simply due to us covering most major characters that anyone would care about or are not too recent).

Or heck, maybe we just have some of those origins as scattered reviews instead of an official month? Regardless of anything else, thank you for your continued support! I'll try to keep people updated on anything important and I'm loving all the entries so far into the Longbox Bumper Contest!

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[MisterBee]

Patreon offers a few different methods for creators to receive payment - primarily monthly or per-creation. For some video creators, that works out fine because they don't like charging people the same amount per month because of varying amounts of videos they put out per month. People like me, however, NEED that guaranteed income monthly to keep doing what we're doing. Patreon has announced that within 16 months, they will be discontinuing the per-creation model and switching strictly to monthly. Hopefully this can get pushed back and reversed for my friends and colleagues who are affected by this, but there's a second half of this which is much more harmful to me. The other thing they'll be switching with their subscriptions is changing when patrons get charged. In the current system, people get charged at the beginning of the month after the initial payment, meaning if you paid on the 2nd of the month, you'll get charged again at the 1st of the next month, same for if you initially paid at the 27th of the month. Under the new model they wish to implement, you get charged again the next month on the same day, so you get charged on the 27th of one month, then the 27th of the next month.

This is such a non-issue.

This is lewis admitting he wants to fucking DOUBLE CHARGE his new patrons that pledge after he withdraws at the start of the month. You pledged on the 29th and get charged again on the 1st? Too fucking bad! From what i see, this will affect 10-15% of the income stream on patreon for first time pledgers only. So again, approx $300-$400 for the FIRST MONTH this is enacted, and then it will settle in.