Virgin vs The Big Coom - Salon drama spillover

[Fünter]

Calling therapy "the rapy" just makes me think you need it even more than an average person would.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

I for one was smiling the entire time I read this. I don't even entirely disagree with it, but this is a level of emotional intimacy I would never have here. I'd rather be closed off than share these kinds of thoughts with others, I think. Vulnerable animals are eaten.

Man, not even I am that dramatic. Go watch NGE or something and you will feel better.

Calling therapy "the rapy" just makes me think you need it even more than an average person would.

I would say that therapists are fairly useless in the majority of countries. Particulary so in the US as they are just a stopgap measure to pumping you full of drugs. I don't know how they are in Russia but I don't imagine them being radically different

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I would say that therapists are fairly useless in the majority of countries. Particulary so in the US as they are just a stopgap measure to pumping you full of drugs. I don't know how they are in Russia but I don't imagine them being radically different

Rule of thumb is, if you are so devoid of friends and family that you will write a short story about your worldview for complete strangers, then therapy is actually good for you if only as a release valve.

 

[Str8Bustah]

Rule of thumb is, if you are so devoid of friends and family that you will write a short story about your worldview for complete strangers, then therapy is actually good for you if only as a release valve.

I'd say if you're a religious person then you're better off talking to a Priest (or even an Abbot) than a therapist. The problem is that therapists give secular solutions to problems which may not always be secular in nature and which are often unfortunately tainted by ideological skewing. A Priest, on the other hand, especially one who is trained as a Confessor, should not attempt to skew the problem you have towards an ideological stance and should instead treat the problem as a medical case with a medical diagnosis, with the medicine being prescribed being of a spiritual nature, but still being medicine.

Granted, you aren't guaranteed to get a good Priest, but in the current global climate I would sooner trust a bad Priest than a bad therapist, especially when Priests don't typically require payment for their help when even a bad therapist won't do anything without you forking out cash first.

 

[Faceless Whore]

>"There's a thread on people like you."
>"Not really."
>writes 1000000000000000000000000000000000000 word essay justifying why they don't want to have sex

 

[Male Idiot]

I'd say if you're a religious person then you're better off talking to a Priest (or even an Abbot) than a therapist. The problem is that therapists give secular solutions to problems which may not always be secular in nature and which are often unfortunately tainted by ideological skewing. A Priest, on the other hand, especially one who is trained as a Confessor, should not attempt to skew the problem you have towards an ideological stance and should instead treat the problem as a medical case with a medical diagnosis, with the medicine being prescribed being of a spiritual nature, but still being medicine.

Granted, you aren't guaranteed to get a good Priest, but in the current global climate I would sooner trust a bad Priest than a bad therapist, especially when Priests don't typically require payment for their help when even a bad therapist won't do anything without you forking out cash first.

Even if you aren't religious, a priest is a good idea. He won't just stuff you full of thorazine and ask for 10.000 dollars after. If you want to, just leave some alms for the poor.

 

[Lurker Child]

>walls of text
>powerleveling
>Salon drama spillover
HM, YOU DON'T SAY.

 

[LurkTrawl]

Even if you aren't religious, a priest is a good idea. He won't just stuff you full of thorazine and ask for 10.000 dollars after. If you want to, just leave some alms for the poor.

Most people who go to "therapy" just want someone to bitch about their problems at anyway. I can't imagine a priest telling you to go fuck yourself, but now that I think about it maybe some people desperately need that exact scenario to get their shit together and stop being fucking retarded.

 

[Preacher ✝]

I read most of the OP. Enough to understand what's going on.

Let me start by saying that I'm sorry your experience with Christianity was so poor. I know exactly the kind of fake Christians you're on about. A key tenant of genuine Christianity is the fact that we are all sinners. Even Jesus Christ himself said ""Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." [Mark 10:18]

Your experience is particularly regrettable because by the measure of Christ you are not only normal but virtuous and admirable. I firmly believe if you'd had a better experience with Christian Faith you would have an easier time finding peace with yourself.

Do not be ashamed that the world hates you for your virtue, "if the world hates you know that it hated me first" [John 15:18]

 

[Return of the Freaker]

While you do have a point on how porn and more and more extreme things have become acceptable, asexuality isn't a default. If it were, humans as a species wouldn't exactly be successful even at a basic tool using monke level. Also, aren't you the one that spazzes out when people point out the ideological descent of clown world at least in part from KGB ops and the Frankfurt School and call them "Solzhenytsin"? Stop trying to make "fetch" happen, Gretchen. It's not going to happen.

Also fuck you, Solzhenytsin told the truth about both the gulags and the Jews

 

[Str8Bustah]

I read most of the OP. Enough to understand what's going on.

Let me start by saying that I'm sorry your experience with Christianity was so poor. I know exactly the kind of fake Christians you're on about. A key tenant of genuine Christianity is the fact that we are all sinners. Even Jesus Christ himself said ""Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." [Mark 10:18]

Your experience is particularly regrettable because by the measure of Christ you are not only normal but virtuous and admirable. I firmly believe if you'd had a better experience with Christian Faith you would have an easier time finding peace with yourself.

Do not be ashamed that the world hates you for your virtue, "if the world hates you know that it hated me first" [John 15:18]

'Blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven'.

 

[Revolver Salesman]

Not reading so I asked ChatGPT to summarize:

"Please summarize the following forum post in no more than 7 bullet points, and give me your interpretation of the mental state of the poster."

Spoiler

Here’s a summary of the forum post:

• Disdain for Extreme Views: The poster criticizes extreme views about children and people with non-normative sexual orientations, suggesting these views are unhealthy and indicative of deeper psychological issues.
• Criticism of Sexual Norms: The poster argues that some people’s discomfort with sex leads them to extreme measures, such as self-mutilation or extreme online behavior, and sees this as a form of moral degradation.
• Disillusionment with Online Communities: They express frustration with the online discourse around virginity and sexual behavior, feeling it’s hypocritical and overly focused on sexual behaviors.
• Rejection of Psychotherapy: The poster is critical of modern psychotherapy and labels it as a scam, viewing it as a way to profit from people’s mental health issues without providing real solutions.
• Personal Reflections: They recount a personal experience of falling out of love after a physical encounter, framing it as a transformative and revealing moment about their emotional and physical desires.
• Condemnation of Hypocrisy: The poster condemns what they see as the hypocrisy of those who publicly express concern about sexual morality while privately engaging in or supporting degenerate behaviors.
• Rejection of Labels: They reject labels and diagnoses, asserting that they are not a product of trauma or psychological issues but rather a person with different personal values and experiences.

Interpretation of the Mental State: The poster seems to be grappling with intense frustration and disillusionment with contemporary social and psychological norms. They exhibit a strong aversion to what they perceive as moral hypocrisy and exploitation within both online communities and the field of mental health. Their tone suggests a deep sense of alienation and a desire to distance themselves from what they see as societal degeneracy. This frustration is coupled with a rejection of traditional therapeutic practices and a determination to live according to their own principles, despite feeling misunderstood or judged by others. Overall, their mental state appears to be marked by a mix of defiance, skepticism, and a profound sense of disconnect from mainstream social values.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I'd suggest an Orthodox monastery if you can as it's the One True Church, but if you're Catholic then I think there's other options.

The Papists actually happen to have a Trappist monastery in Kentucky.

I don’t know where Safir is from but I just assume everyone on here is American (not like their opinion is of value if they’re not).

 

[Male Idiot]

The Papists actually happen to have a Trappist monastery in Kentucky.

I don’t know where Safir is from but I just assume everyone on here is American (not like their opinion is of value if they’re not).

Pappist Trappist, is that a cheese type worthy for our great leader?

 

[Preacher ✝]

The Papists actually happen to have a Trappist monastery in Kentucky.

There are 15 Trappist Monasteries in the United States, and that's not counting the Franciscans, Benedictines, and other such Monastic Orders.

 

[Otterly]

I think you’re kind of collating two totally different things into one here.
1. Asexuality as being a real thing and long term virginity.
2. The fairly murky and disgusting state of modern humans especially online.

Firstly virginity. It doesn’t matter. Some people genuinely are asexual (properly, not the ‘I’m collecting identities like Pokémon tumblr types.) I used to work with a woman who was utterly not bothered by romance or sex at all. That’s fine, it’s her thing, not really any of anyone else’s business.
It’s also not normal. It’s probably ‘within the normal spectrum of human sexuality’ for sure. But it’s not ‘the norm.’ If it was we’d be extinct.
There is nothing wrong with remaining a virgin until marriage or indeed your whole life if that’s what you want. It’s your life and your body and nobody else is entitled to it. Isaac newton probably was and he did great things.
BUT. The majority of humans DO have a sexual drive, or at the very least a reproductive drive. Most of us DO want to settle down with someone and have some babies, and that is not abnormal. That is ‘the norm.’ It’s also not morally wrong in any way.

It’s also a separate issue really from how hyper sexualised everything is these days and I kind of agree with you on that. The open sexuality is far more extreme than it was thirty plus years back especially directed at children and young adults. The easy access of hardcore porn via smartphones has been disastrous. The trannyism and only fans and ‘don’t shame kink’ stuff is revolting and has also been a disaster. This kind of stuff has always been there but at much lower levels and you’d be beaten, hard back into the shadows if you tried it publicly. Now we have pride parades with men fisting each other in the streets and if your reaction to that is wanting to napalm the lot of it then I can’t object. It is revolting.
Overall, position 1 shouldn’t bother you. It’s how you are, and that’s fine. Why do you feel bad about it? It’s none of other peoples business. Tell them to fuck off.
Position 2 is the state of the modern world, and yeah it is grim.
As for Gruffin, you can kind of see a microcosm of the state of modern sexuality there. No she wasn’t any kind of saint at all. She was a gross coomer - my sympathy for the majority of pooners evaporated a few hundred pages into that thread. It’s still absolutely disgraceful that a young woman can be spayed and neutered and mutilated like that at such a young age, before she forms any kind of coherent identity or experiences the world. It’s a lot more complicated that thinking she was innocent vs laughing at her. It’s Greek tragedy plus body horror all in one. I felt anger at the state of the world that allows that to happen, disgust at what she did to herself and disgust at what others did to her at her behest.

Tlr. You are struggling to reconcile how so many people can be so deeply driven by an impulse because you do not feel that impulse yourself.

As with all biological impulses, in moderation it’s fine and gets you a wife and kids and in excess you get gruffin and public fistung and troons. What have we learned here? Moderation in all things.
As I get older, I see it more along a religious/spiritual line - there are dark forces in the world and if you let them rule you you will end up in a very bad place

 

[01169]

Rule of thumb is, if you are so devoid of friends and family that you will write a short story about your worldview for complete strangers, then therapy is actually good for you if only as a release valve.

Threads like these are the real therapy. I didn't even try to understand OPs post and I feel as normal as I haven't in a while.

 

[Otterly]

Also @Safir its clear that humanity generally has this tendency to degeneracy built in somehow, or tends to that if left alone. Think of all the taboos around sex, all the rules and laws that are seen as restrictive give nowadays - they didn’t arise in a vacuum. There’s a proportion of humans who will do max degeneracy if allowed.
If you were religious, you might find your world view chimed well with a monastic type life. You’re not, and there’s not really any secular equivalent days is there? It leaves people a bit adrift.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Yeah I'm thinking it's the autism.

Because you're autistic, or maybe just stunted (definite Android Raptor vibes) you can't decipher the emotions involved when people engage in these types of interactions.
People can't necessarily specify what intimacy involves because it's an unconsciously understood part of the human experience, similar to phenomenon like humor that people struggle to explain to autists.

Experiencing closeness with someone who you are attracted to and feel strongly about naturally feels pleasant and ideally physical contact/intimacy is an expression of that, one with documented positive health effects (in fact physical contact has positive effects even it's not romantic in nature).

Hormones like oxytocin play a significant role in mediating those effects, hormones which are often compromised in autistic people.

Summary: You're probably just on the spectrum. Explaining won't help because your brain physically lacks the bits that people normally have that makes this stuff enjoyable.
Maybe try getting one of those oxytocin nasal sprays they give to autists and report back.

@Safir Have you ever had a pet?

So this might sound like a really weird comparison, but I've made it elsewhere. Enjoying a pet is kind of, in a way, like non-sexual intimacy.

You cuddle that pet.
You play with that pet.
You enjoy the presence of that pet in the room with you, even if it's not cuddling at the moment.
If you're not too stuck up (which most people are) you can be really in tune with the pet's thoughts and emotions by just paying attention to it and its body language.

There's a reason mentally ill people compare them to babies. (Because they are like babies, it's just not good to use them AS A baby.)

Are you too autistic to own a cat?