Weight loss support thread

[Taxidermied Rat]

Update: I’m still gaining weight. I’m at 185 now. I’ve been back in the gym the last 4 weeks and have gone fucking crazy hard on my lifts. That feels good, but at the same time I hate this relationship I have with eating. I wake up and eat 4000 cals, feel ravenous throughout the day, then eat another 2000 cals after training. I'm eating roughly 1/3 protein/fat/carbs, entirely of whole foods (save for the Marie Calenders chicken pot pie I throw in at dinner time). My stomach and my esophagus feel physically strained all the time. You’d think I’d be sick of eating this way by now, but I guess not.

Do you think you could try eating more normal for one day? Just say to yourself that tomorrow you can have whatever you want as reward. But for one day you don't over eat? Not that you have to starve yourself, but you stick to about 2000-3000 calories instead? Though try to avoid foods you may think will trigger you to eat like this, if you have any foods like that.

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Recently I found myself out of control and eating to the point of bursting. Finally I just gave up trying to be perfect and told myself that if I could stick to my diet for a whole week, I would be able to eat whatever I want the next day. This helped reset my hunger levels and stomach size. Though it sounds like your case is more extreme so I would be curious if you can maybe start with one day of normal eating. After you get comfortable with one day, maybe try to increase the time frame?

Though I am warry of giving this advice since I don't want you to develop an eating disorder(though you might already be struggling with one) and I am not smart enough to know if this advice would lead to that at all(this is just how I helped myself). It would be prudent of you to do more research into binge eating to get a better idea of what experts say about it and how to potentially cure it. You might find more useful advice that will actually resonate with you.

 

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Update: I’m still gaining weight. I’m at 185 now. I’ve been back in the gym the last 4 weeks and have gone fucking crazy hard on my lifts. That feels good, but at the same time I hate this relationship I have with eating. I wake up and eat 4000 cals, feel ravenous throughout the day, then eat another 2000 cals after training. I'm eating roughly 1/3 protein/fat/carbs, entirely of whole foods (save for the Marie Calenders chicken pot pie I throw in at dinner time). My stomach and my esophagus feel physically strained all the time. You’d think I’d be sick of eating this way by now, but I guess not.

Uh. What? You're eating 6000+ calories a day? I'd see a doctor immediately, something must be off.

 

[A Crow Looked at Me]

Uh. What? You're eating 6000+ calories a day? I'd see a doctor immediately, something must be off.

You’re absolutely right, something is wrong. I’m seeing a nutritionist about it next week. I wish I were lying. My morning routine is:

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2 protein shakes
1 lb spinach
1 lb cauliflower rice
1 lb broccoli
1 sautéed onion, 3 bell peppers, and a can of mushrooms
2 eggs
80g guacamole
1/2 lb chicken thighs
1/2 lb chicken breast
120g oatmeal
60g peanut butter
3 bananas
2 slices of toast
1 lb Greek yogurt
Handful of raisins
Handful of almonds
Drizzle of honey
Shit ton of cinnamon

Dinner is identical, minus the oatmeal on down, plus 1/2 a sweet potato, kale chips, and frozen pot pie. And it is a Herculean struggle to put the fork down after eating, to not eat between meals, and to not listen to the demons in my head telling me to eat pizza and ice cream. This is hell.

 

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what the fuck

 

[latinlover]

1 lb spinach

I have to scarepost yet again- I hope you are not regularly eating a fucking pound of spinach. It is healthy, occasionally, in moderation, but it is full of oxalates.

Have you ever had kidney stones? You don't want them.

I personally know someone who has had dietary hyperoxaluria.

 

[Irish Turtle]

I have elevated triglyceride levels at 210 what would you recomend I do to lower that. I dont drink I dont smoke but I was very sedentary. After learning about that I started to exercise more.

 

[Optavia Sales Rep]

I have elevated triglyceride levels at 210 what would you recomend I do to lower that. I dont drink I dont smoke but I was very sedentary. After learning about that I started to exercise more.

Increasing movement/steps per day is the best long term plan to improve cholesterol numbers. Still, speak to a doctor if you haven't already.

 

[soft breathing]

My morning routine is:

How do you even have the time and money to eat & prepare all of this food?

 

[Irish Turtle]

Increasing movement/steps per day is the best long term plan to improve cholesterol numbers. Still, speak to a doctor if you haven't already.

yeah I talked to my doctor, my main problem is I ate too much red meat and fatty foods like milk and yogurt. I have to switch out to soy milk and chicken now.

 

[A Crow Looked at Me]

How do you even have the time and money to eat & prepare all of this food?

Oh god it’s retarded. It takes an hour and a half to cook and eat each meal. I’m spending at least $200 a week on groceries. I’m constantly late for work, blowing off plans with friends, and letting my house pile up with filth because I spend so much of my time eating. It would unironically be cheaper and healthier if I went to Golden Corral every day. I fucked up bad.

 

[Lemurcatta]

Hello kiwis!

What’s your opinion on Wegovy/Ozempic or any other semiglutide for that matter?

 

[latinlover]

Hello kiwis!

What’s your opinion on Wegovy/Ozempic or any other semiglutide for that matter?

Most discussion on Ozempic in the thread has been on the last ~5 pages, might be worth skimming through.

TLDR.: any side effect the drugs might have>obesity, being fat will kill you both inside and out, sooner or later, if you can't lose weight without Ozempic you may as well give it a shot.

Don't order shit off the internet, always consult a competent and honest medical professional if they think it's fine for you. It might not be for various reasons.

 

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Local clinic sells 5mg vials for $200. They're required to say it's a month's dose, but, at the standard rate it's 5 months' worth - so, $10/shot, give or take.

... But walking to the clinic is good exercise and a good excuse to get out of the house ...

 

[Redoniblueoni]

Hello kiwis!

What’s your opinion on Wegovy/Ozempic or any other semiglutide for that matter?

I feel like ozempic isn't worth it unless you're a very high weight. I'm not a doctor or nutritionist but if you can achieve the same results with good nutrition and exercise it's going to be better for you in the long run. It's also an addicting feeling, knowing your hard work and knowledge is what's getting you there. It makes me more confident I can lose the weight and keep it off forever, since I'm doing things like eating lower carbs, much more protein, more fiber and replacing my bad favorites with healthier alternatives.

I've heard a bit more about ozempic like even if it might not permanently fuck your glpt1, it can make you nauseous or even vomit and that's a super common side effect. Doesn't sound very fun to me. Also, losing muscle mass and getting the "ozempic face" and "ozempic ass" isn't appealing.

That said if you're 400 lbs+ I think it might be worth a temporary run to see how it goes. But ideally we should be doing the research on what we're eating/how it's making us overweight/obese and making the lifestyle changes necessary to keep it off long term. I think half of the work I'm doing to lose weight is research, i.g. watching videos, reading studies/articles, looking up recipes, talking to people, ect. Ideally you should be eating less, moving more and getting that knowledge.

Also I find with the weight loss/muscle building I feel more confident because I'm doing both. I don't need to be my lowest ever weight to be happy or know I'm doing work, I can see and feel my new strength. The idea of ozempic sapping that (because people on it don't usually eat enough protein) is unappealing.

 

[latinlover]

Also, losing muscle mass and getting the "ozempic face" and "ozempic ass" isn't appealing.

Also I find with the weight loss/muscle building I feel more confident because I'm doing both.

You're right, semaglutides aren't the healthiest option, but I feel like people who are already morbidly obese and are posting on a forum like the Kiwifarms for advice, chances are they likely have tried (and failed) softer approaches. You also have personal experience with weight loss, you're doing great, and that's great! Congrats.

I do think you've got a few things confused, or maybe heard a few myths that aren't true, or at least not the way you think they might be.

GLPT-1 sensitivity thing is just pure speculation at this point, but you might want to factor that in as making the decision- however, at that point I think it would be disingenuous not to factor in the long term health effects of obesity and other sicknesses such as diabetes stemming from it. If you can lose weight without Ozempic then there's no discussion, just do it, and good job if you manage to.

The sides of sickness mostly come from overeating from what I've heard from people who use it.

There is no ozempic face/ozempic ass. It doesn't make you inherently lose muscle mass either. It's not a thing. You can call it weight loss face/weight loss ass though, and that'd be accurate. You get flappy, saggy, excess skin when you lose weight, generally the older you are the more it affects you but it also has a pretty big genetic component, some people luck out and are fairly elastic.

You've got two real options here- option 1, you wear it as a mark of honor, you've fought your previous vices and you've won, you are now healthier and happier than before and likely extended your life by a decade or two (or three, or four), with some extra skin. Option 2, you go to a surgeon and they do an extremely simple routine skin removal, if they do it right it's going to look better than before with extremely minimal scarring, possibly none, especially if it's on a more delicate part like your face. (secret option 3: you go reaaal slow, generally the more rapid the weight loss the less your skin can adjust)

You are correct that training and ideal diet will help preserve muscle more efficiently, and you SHOULD (small disclaimer if you are really-really obese you might want to choose exercises that put less stress on your joints, telling a 400 lbs person to go jog is going to do more harm than good) absolutely do it. However, you are not building muscle concurrently with losing fat on a deficit- only on very slight ones and/or with the assistance of PEDs. That's it. It's impossible to do it, even if you're a newbie, your body will tap into both your muscle and fat reserves, depending on your diet and level of exercise though you will lose muscle mass at a different rate. You losing significantly less muscle than you lose fat is going to result in that 'body recomposition' effect, where you will look more toned and muscular, but you haven't gained any muscle in reality, just lost a lot more fat than muscles.

 

[Cardinal Cardinal]

You’re absolutely right, something is wrong. I’m seeing a nutritionist about it next week. I wish I were lying. My morning routine is:

Spoiler: 🏳️‍🌈

2 protein shakes
1 lb spinach
1 lb cauliflower rice
1 lb broccoli
1 sautéed onion, 3 bell peppers, and a can of mushrooms
2 eggs
80g guacamole
1/2 lb chicken thighs
1/2 lb chicken breast
120g oatmeal
60g peanut butter
3 bananas
2 slices of toast
1 lb Greek yogurt
Handful of raisins
Handful of almonds
Drizzle of honey
Shit ton of cinnamon

Dinner is identical, minus the oatmeal on down, plus 1/2 a sweet potato, kale chips, and frozen pot pie. And it is a Herculean struggle to put the fork down after eating, to not eat between meals, and to not listen to the demons in my head telling me to eat pizza and ice cream. This is hell.

You have to be on steroids if you're eating like this. So I'd stop there first.

 

[missnaptime]

Continuing on my cut and I've dropped 2.1kg since last weigh in!! Really pleased about that. It's still really sucky, but I'm still being persistent with it. Cardio still remains my mortal nemesis. Lifting weight gud. I see why bodybuilders love it so much, it really gives me an excellent rush of endorphins. Still very much a newbie (managing to bench the bar now!), but I'm really loving it, even if my muscles ache like a bastard afterwards. It means it's working.

A good 'sweet treat' workaround my friend told me was to cut up an apple and drizzle it in a little honey. No word of a lie that's stopped most of my fat ass sugar cravings for reaching for some chocolate. It's great if you're trying to cut down on your sugar content.

 

[Redoniblueoni]

@latinlover
How could this be possible I'm not gaining muscle on a cut when I can see/feel the results though? The only thing I'm taking is creatine now for a couple weeks. I have lost weight in the 1lb per week area while definitely gaining definition in areas. I have had alot of protein most days, usually atleast 90g (I'm a small woman). Maybe I've gained a small amount of muscle in reality but my small frame shows it a bit more?

Edit: I should say recently I've plateaud despite eating in a deficit, could this be because I've been building muscle? Scale hasn't changed much in a week is all. Or perhaps the creatine/water weight. I've been tracking close but upping my water.

 

[latinlover]

How could this be possible I'm not gaining muscle on a cut when I can see/feel the results though?

Why you can see the results is simple, you lose a LOT more fat than you lose lean muscle mass. In fact, as a newbie, I think it's almost all you lose. It's one of the most common 'optical illusions' in bodybuilding, despite being x pounds lighter after a cut you always get complimented on how much bigger you are. You losing fat in certain areas will absolutely increase the definition of your muscles and by proxy make you look bigger and has that "Wow, @Redoniblueoni , have you been going to the gym?" effect.

Saggy skin isn't because of muscle loss (generally, unless you've got some kind of freaky cancer that makes you become the machinist in like 2 weeks) and none of the weight loss drugs discussed in the thread significantly alter the ratio of LMM to fat loss.

Why you can feel the results is simple aswell, strength isn't just lean mass, it's all about neuromuscular connections which you can build in a deficit. Obviously there's a certain level where growth in this area is not feasible in a deficit, but it's beyond what I'd consider to be intermediate- you can improve strength for a long time on a reasonable energy deficit if you're previously untrained.

Edit: I should say recently I've plateaud despite eating in a deficit, could this be because I've been building muscle? Scale hasn't changed much in a week is all. Or perhaps the creatine/water weight. I've been tracking close but upping my water.

Possible, obviously the lower your body mass is the lower your BMR gets so you will plateau eventually if you don't adjust the size of the deficit, but yes, creatine will also make you retain water, could be a combination of both. Considering you said you're a smallish woman, I'd say the creatine water weight is probably like 2 lbs.

 

[Redoniblueoni]

@latinlover ok this all makes sense. I thought muscles would increase BMR despite the lower body weight, which is a big reason I'm doing strength training.
Also I already am doing 1100 calories a day and don't do "cheat" days, really just maintenance days once a week maybe. Before you beat me down for it being too low remember I'm a small lady and also have pcos which is said to lower bmr. But cutting from 1100 sounds impossible to me, or atleast it would suck very bad. I got a fat burner supplement since I got stuck in this plateau. Is this nuts? I just started it, it was inexpensive. Here's what's in it:

Also yeah any advice I give is based from a perspective of someone who (was) 25 pounds overweight tops. So pardon if it's ignorant, I understand I'm starting this at a bit of an easier place than many. The good news is I'm halfway through that now atleast