Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

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Suggestions from the Ukrainian side that Russia may have got one of the F-16 already:

Our source reports that after today's night missile strike by the Russian Armed Forces on the Ukrainian Air Force airfield in Starokostiantyniv, Khmelnytskyi Oblast, two Ukrainian aircraft were damaged, one of them an F-16.

As the source explains, the Russians used a protracted combined attack over 6-8 hours. The Ukrainian Armed Forces raised aircraft, including F-16s, to repel the attack and "save the birds", since they are an easy target at airfields. But as soon as the aircraft partially repelled the threat and landed back at the airfield after three hours in the air, "daggers" were fired at it.

The information is being verified.

From the same blog, talk of how the Russians are besieging the Ukrainians in Kursk. Why tackle an armed soldier head on, when you can just cut off his supplies and wait for him to run out of food and bullets.

Our source reports that few people are writing now that the Russians are now destroying all the infrastructure and road/railway infrastructure, bridges, etc. in the Sumy region (those areas that are in the 30-40 km zone from the Russian border.

They are doing this methodically and consistently. Rarely publishing data on strikes in the media.

Everyone understands that this will complicate the logistics of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Kursk direction in the future, and will then lead to even worse consequences. For the civilian population, this is generally "cruel".
The Kursk adventure is already costing the Ukrainian people dearly.
 
"What is wind"
I think you misunderstood my post. I included wind, that's why I said Eastern Europe would bite it too, as well as Japan. Even if the winds somehow never blow from China there, their food is so fishing based they would still be fucked.

I just pointed out that it wouldn't wipe out humans as a species, as SA and Africa would get by, maybe suffer a bit of cancer, but not total wipeout like media portrays it.

Well of course this is a rainbow take that negroes and wetbacks are human, but still.

Unless cobalt warheads have been way more universal than anyone let on, but the only indicator I had for those was the Russian new supertorpedo nuke.
 
I think you misunderstood my post. I included wind, that's why I said Eastern Europe would bite it too, as well as Japan. Even if the winds somehow never blow from China there, their food is so fishing based they would still be fucked.

I just pointed out that it wouldn't wipe out humans as a species, as SA and Africa would get by, maybe suffer a bit of cancer, but not total wipeout like media portrays it.

Well of course this is a rainbow take that negroes and wetbacks are human, but still.

Unless cobalt warheads have been way more universal than anyone let on, but the only indicator I had for those was the Russian new supertorpedo nuke.
What I am saying is you have no idea what the consequences of thousands of nuclear devices off at the same time are. Too much warhammer.
 
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Yeah, it is all Putin's underwater 6D super chess plan. Yep, any moment now, Putin will unleash his checker skills, and the Russians can now be conscripted into the army because we all know that he did not have enough power to do so before. RIGHT!
Who have let this nafo pedophile in?

Wait are you seriously telling me in the fifteen fucking months since they took Bakhmut they still don't even control the rest of the raion?

Toresk is exactly 25 kilometers from Bakhmut and Avdivka over open farm fields.

So you have effectively confirmed the Russian army hasn't accomplished anything meaningful in a year, good job.
Why are you dolboeb faggot?
 
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Something that I think a lot of the people talking about provocation and red lines are forgetting is that the US is an empire in decline. As time goes on, the US' real manufacturing capability and economy is going to keep on going down - and China, who is now Russia's closest ally, is quietly pulling their wealth out of the western financial system and building up their own alternatives to it for the time they get cut off from Swift and have their foreign exchange reserves seized. American supply chains, including military ones, are already heavily dependent upon Chinese manufacturing and the numbers shoot up even further when you include the indirect uses too - sure that American bomb might have every component made in the USA, but but how much of that toolchain is free of Chinese products? These issues aren't going to get fixed anytime soon either, because actually fixing them strengthens the local population and weakens the position of the corrupt leaders causing them. None of the downward trends in American society are showing any signs of reversing anytime soon, and the only people who are even trying to do that are also opposed to continuing the overseas forever wars. It isn't like Europe is on some big upwards trajectory either - their ability to wage war or even support a war is on the same downwards slope as the US.

Every day that the conflict is delayed, the US' position gets worse and worse, but that of Russia and China gets better. Ignoring the provocations or retaliating in more subtle ways to make sure the conflict doesn't go hot just yet is the smartest move imo, even if it will make random Americans call you a pussy online.
 
Ignoring the provocations or retaliating in more subtle ways to make sure the conflict doesn't go hot just yet is the smartest move imo, even if it will make random Americans call you a pussy online.
what bearing does the opinions of self-sabotaging fools hold?
 
So which maps and daily strategic summaries are people using?

Out of habit I still use Liveuamap (from its readability) and watch Military Summary on Rumble (Russia biased, but reports on both sides consistently)
Wyat at Defence Politics Asia as a general overview when I have time or Dimitri at Military Summary. I tend a little more to DPA as I like Wyatt and he does Open Mics which are interesting. But he tends to be a little long-form and I don't have time for a 30 minute blow by blow every day. Military Summary gives you the same sort of information but he's more concise. He wasn't when he started off but he's become more so now so I'm tending to drift back to him more often now. He has a pro-Russian bias but is also intellectually honest and gives fair coverage. Weeb Union is similar to DPA but again, more concise and blasts through it. So that's again a reason I sometimes watch him over DPA.

Really I'm more about the economic and political side of things than military minutiae so what I tend to want is more someone saying "X, Y and Z happened and that's a big deal because _______". But I've not really found much like that beyond this thread or Moon of Alabama which can be a useful highlight reel though obviously not neutral. I think the "market" tends to want the "and they took this hill" sort of coverage or MSM soundbites. I've not found much in between.
 
Weeb Union is similar to DPA but again, more concise and blasts through it. So that's again a reason I sometimes watch him over DPA.
I dislike this cunt dragging out each video to hit the 10 min algo mark. He will show a field being taken, then ramble for 5 minutes about how this field was the killer blow for the UAF or something. I'd rather he did 'shorts' where he just gives you the 2/3 min update.
 
Something that I think a lot of the people talking about provocation and red lines are forgetting is that the US is an empire in decline.
I'm fond of the lines Shakespeare wrote in Antony and Cleopatra: "Tis better playing with a lion's whelp, than with an old one, dying."

It was a line about Mark Antony whose star is setting and is in full on denial of it as he goes to war, lashing out because he knows his time is passing.

But America is hardly weak. It is still the world's preeminent military power. Its collapse has begun internally like a sickness, not externally like a bullet. And so don't expect it to die quickly.
 
What I am saying is you have no idea what the consequences of thousands of nuclear devices off at the same time are. Too much warhammer.

Nuh uh warhammerz isn't a valid argument.

Radiation isn't magic. It won't kill all humans instantly everywhere.

The nuclear winter, while debated, is the more likely culprit, but even the climate doomers don't consider it a human exterminator, as ice ages had happened before.

So no, it wouldn't be the end of the world. Some scources even say that the species wouldn't die out even with an asteroid impact, though that would send them back to the stone age.

So I am confident that it wouldn't wipe out Africa or South America. Famines, cancer, sure. Full wipe? No.

For comparison, the total nuclear arsenal is estimated at 5 gigatons, 80 at the height of the nuclear arms race. The Chixulub impactor was estimated to be 72 to 100 teratons and caused a 15 year winter as well as a planet wide firestorm, and it would stand a good chance of wiping humans out just like the dinosaurs.

Don't mistake this as me saying Fallout larp yolo, the northern hemisphere would be written off.

Now things would get spicy if the Yellowstone and Campi Flegrei were nuked, as those could put even Africa and SA in a big pickle. Not total extinction but stone age pickle.
 
I dislike this cunt dragging out each video to hit the 10 min algo mark. He will show a field being taken, then ramble for 5 minutes about how this field was the killer blow for the UAF or something. I'd rather he did 'shorts' where he just gives you the 2/3 min update.

I started putting timestamps in his comments, but got bored with it pretty soon.
 
@Male Idiot On behalf of everyone, I'm happy to say that I will accept mankind itself would likely survive an actual Nuclear Third World War if you're happy to agree it would be a disaster on an unimaginable scale that ending the world because the people of Donbass and Luhansk voted not to be ruled by Kiev would be very silly.

And if everyone is happy with that then they can just tick Like and we can all stop talking past each other's points. Male Idiot can be assured that we know the species will likely endure and those debating with him can be assured that he is not trying to say this to make it sound like nuclear war isn't a big deal. Everybody happy? Good!
 
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Something that I think a lot of the people talking about provocation and red lines are forgetting is that the US is an empire in decline.
"The US dollar is gonna collapse any day now... Any month now... Any year now..." It will, and if we weren't in a cold war, Russia could just sit back, relax, and watch the US empire die. But since there is a proxy war going on, they can't just sit around passively trying to ward off American missiles targetting Russian civilians, manufacturing, and critical infrastructure, because that's what it's going to get to. If enough missiles get through, it severely hampers Russia's ability to fight wars, and no empire has ever gone down without a fight.

America knows it's in decline, and it's current goal is to weaken and destroy everyone else so they can still be top dog even after they're collapsed. Another thing a lot of people in this thread don't seem to understand is that it's not about the perceptions of the American people. The American people are disposible tax cattle with zero relevance or influence over anything except what the next bit of slop they consume will be. It's the American government calling the shots in Ukraine, and they're the ones who perceive Putin as a weak ruler who will let them get away with anything, which is why they've been doubling down and escalating. That perception has got to change.
 
Every day that the conflict is delayed, the US' position gets worse and worse, but that of Russia and China gets better.

China and Russia have their own population implosions inbound. The current conflict is more like Rome vs Persia, with each side exhausting itself while barbarians wait on the sidelines, sharpening their knives.
 
@Male Idiot On behalf of everyone, I'm happy to say that I will accept mankind itself would likely survive an actual Nuclear Third World War if you're happy to agree it would be a disaster on an unimaginable scale that ending the world because the people of Donbass and Luhansk voted not to be ruled by Kiev would be very silly.

And if everyone is happy with that then they can just tick Like and we can all stop talking past each other's points. Male Idiot can be assured that we know the species will likely endure and those debating with him can be assured that he is not trying to say this to make it sound like nuclear war isn't a big deal. Everybody happy? Good!

I can agree with that. I just autistically must consume all information on giant catastrophes. No, not Warhammer, the blame lies with Jurassic Park.

China and Russia have their own population implosions inbound. The current conflict is more like Rome vs Persia, with each side exhausting itself while barbarians wait on the sidelines, sharpening their knives.

They do, but only the west is importing said barbarians in demographically relevant quantities.
China is the best off because it is the most authoritarian. -6 million social credit if you don't birth for the party isn't an option for Uncle Sam.
 
He is handsome the same way tomlinson is handsome. Who could resist that double chin and a goatee, two of which DEFINITELY go well together.
China and Russia have their own population implosions inbound. The current conflict is more like Rome vs Persia, with each side exhausting itself while barbarians wait on the sidelines, sharpening their knives.
I am being assured for twenty years now that its imminent. Just like chinese economy collapse, which final signs are on horizon every day, for like a decade now.
 
Wyat at Defence Politics Asia as a general overview when I have time
I find his butchering of the place names a bit annoying. He can pronounce better, but it seems to be part of his comedic shtick.

Weeb Union is similar to DPA but again, more concise and blasts through it. So that's again a reason I sometimes watch him over DPA.
Weeb sounds a bit like like a nerdy Kraut, but he also blurts out muslim lines ... where's he actually from?
 
What exactly is Rybar's deal?
Rybar uses Russian terminology which gets NATO mad. Rybar is also not always willing to entertain that every mistake Russia makes is a 70d chess move to outsmart the west, which, consequently makes Pro-Russians mad. Sprinkle in the fact that they are more than willing to lie to spread propaganda, and boom, everyone has reasons to dislike them. The lying is rare, though, and they usually get a good ear on all sorts of rumors before anyone else does.
 
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