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I bring you...

The Diaper Dog!

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In other words, there's absolutely no way to go back for this pooner. She's essentially had her entire reproductive system scooped out of her and replaced it with a useless piece of rolled up leg-skin... which isn't even in the correct place.



Yeah, we've seen what this looks like. The weight of the rotdog literally tugs on the skin of the woman's groin because it's just a useless flesh roll with no internal support structure.



ROFL How fucking big is this thing??



Hey, at least it has sensation... Oh wait.

Hey wait!
I've got a new complaint...


Pooners can have the opposite problem to Troons who end up with their 'ditches too high up and for the same reason, men and women don't have our junk in the same place, so a Pooner that just gets the flesh roll grafted on where her natal parts are will find it's too low. Dicks aren't in that position because it would get in the way walking, sitting and generally moving.
Add to that the ridiculous size of a lot of rotdogs and the weight of the thing just stitched to skin with no internal structure, maybe it would migrate south, but even if it doesn't, you've got a useless Redbull can sized armroll that's situated too low, no shit it's gonna be annoying.
Item no 1488 on why these things are pointless and stupid.
Male and female anatomy is different and people aren't Build A Bears where you can just swap parts around and have it work.
Gotta say this is a new one though. It's done now Li'l Pooner. Enjoy your fleshroll chafing when you walk, unless you follow Stumpdick and get it removed you're stuck with it.

Forever in debt to Reddits priceless advice...
 
yeah, it is. the "it would be neat" is just so comical--"it would be neat so let me have a serious, life-altering surgery"
Seriously arrested mental development in these ones. 'Wouldn't it be cool to have wings?' is the sort of thing most kids think when they're seven. Even as we age we can still understand the appeal; wings would make my work commute drastically more appealing.

But no normal, sane, mentally-balanced individual is ripping their body apart to install wings, because that would be insane and retarded. Only a lunatic would consider it.
 
Yes debulking. It’s also called plication (opening it and slicing bits off of it and closing it again) They also do liposuction. From what I’ve read it is after the fact terribly swollen and they don’t seem to ever get much of a result. One Canadian pooner (Seth) has a YouTube has posted about it a number of times and had three procedures to slim it but I think has stopped now as it’s obvious it can’t get any slimmer. Fucking absolute retarded fools ..
 
Seriously arrested mental development in these ones. 'Wouldn't it be cool to have wings?' is the sort of thing most kids think when they're seven. Even as we age we can still understand the appeal; wings would make my work commute drastically more appealing.

But no normal, sane, mentally-balanced individual is ripping their body apart to install wings, because that would be insane and retarded. Only a lunatic would consider it.
I also believe it's a hijacking of a creative mind. Which I know sounds insane. But as someone who likes to write these sorts of fantasies and imaginations would just be put into a creative pursuits like writing about a fantasy setting where there are people who have wings. Trannies do not do this, or when they do, they do so as a rumination on what they wish to become a reality. And there are people who actively encourage this. It's really frustrating to me personally, because rather than just put all that energy into writing or making a comic, even a bad one...they let the tranny thing over shadow everything.
 
"Just a cool dude wearing fanny pack"
My first thought was the SNL “dick in a box” skit but instead it’s “rotdog (ruh-roh!) in a fanny pack” :story:
A gift real special, so zip off the top😢
Take a look inside, not a dick still a box!


Fanny being Bong slang for pussy makes it even funnier, real or not (I can absolutely see some of the chicks I’ve met doing this). The idea of an actual man doing that for kicks is horrifying/nuts enough, but a pooner putting her heavily bandaged fake dong in a modified fanny pack for perverts and swaggering around like that’s normal is… truly special.
 
TiF Predator_Driver103 got her phalloplasty earlier this year in May. She's a foreigner alone in the USA.
So far she's:
  • Needed to go to the ER 4 times
  • Has constant reoccurring UTIs
  • Has gallbladder stones
  • Fluid in her right Ovary
  • Has severe cystic acne
  • Is also anemic
She's not a complete tard as she is going to stop Testosterone injections to see if she improves.
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Tired of health issues
So, ever since I’ve got my 1st stage abdominal phallo in May of this year, I’ve been dealing with constant reoccurring UTI. I’m really tired. I ended up in the ER 4 times in the past 3 months. This time, yesterday, they found a few things: UTI, gallbladder stones, fluid in my right ovary (I’m post hysto but retained the ovaries just in case). I’m also having severe cystic acne and I’m anemic. I feel like transness is killing me 💀 I’m planning to stop T injections to see if it alleviates some of the issues. I’m single and lonely in a foreign country (USA).

Idk what to do and how to keep going like this. This is truly a cry for help at this point. I’m getting treated but I feel like everything is moving extremely slow and some of my concerns are being neglected by the medical team. In fact, that is how I ended up here: the team has neglected my concern about the Foley catheter and I got this infection.
Neglect is the only thing you can reliably trust these medical teams to do.
She seems to be one of those butch dykes who unfortunately grew up in a homophobic household. She's completely stealth now and is attracted to the type of woman who would not like her - a trad woman with family values and religious.
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Traditional man, but trans. Dating for me sucks.
For the context, I’ve been brought up in a very traditional household. The values I was taught are very important to me and are part of my identity more than anything else. And it just happens that I am also trans. Dating has been hard for me: those I’m attracted to — classy women with family values and preferably into some traditional religion (doesn’t matter which) reject me once they find out about my circumstances. The kind of ppl who are attracted to me are in the lgbt community and they do not share my values. I do not engage in the community for these reasons. I’m stuck between two worlds and I don’t know what to do.
The fact that she doesn't care about what religion, just that the woman needs to be religious really reveals that this is a fetish for her. Any normal person would care about what religion their spouse has.
She also posted a rant because she wants a straight cis woman and doesn't believe any will date her.
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Do y’all believe straight ppl would actually date us?
I’m a stealth guy. Haven’t been in the dating pool for a while. Also, haven’t dated anyone new since my transition, someone who initially didn’t know I’m trans. What’s your experience with dating? Especially if you are stealth too. Would straight women date you? How did it go? I’m a bit nervous going back into the dating pool

Edit: by straight I meant straight cis ppl
Edit: my date who was first taken a back by the news that I’m trans has changed her mind and would still like to proceed after I explained everything. I guess it’s a W.
The top comment chain is rather funny.
I sincerely believe that yes, some straight women would date you. A body is just a body and there are people who will love you for you regardless of your parts. If you are a good man, you can find a good partner.

(OP) Thank you :) makes me hopeful

“there are people who will love you for you regardless of your parts”

This sounds so good on paper, but it never happens in real life. It only happens in romcoms. Please don’t make my mistake. Don’t fall for this trap. Take it from me. I have a lot of experience. Don’t believe this platitude

have you heard of bisexual people? lmao. dating while trans definitely sucks, but there are many trans people in happy, healthy, long term relationships. i am ftm. i recently got engaged to a cis man who loves me for who i am.

Oh please. Where are all these people in happy, long-term relationships? Because trans women end up with eggs or homeless bums who use them for a place to stay. Also, bisexual people like cis men or cis men women. Being bisexual doesn’t mean being attracted to a trans person. I am appalled at and disgusted by the naïveté in these groups. I hate it with a passion.
Also, bisexual people like cis men or cis men women. Being bisexual doesn’t mean being attracted to a trans person. I am appalled at and disgusted by the naïveté in these groups.
Finally a trans person who actually understands what bisexuality is. It's not a part of normal sexuality to be attracted to experimental biological abominations; at best you can use that tumblr term pansexual for those weirdos.
 
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I don't think it's just for a fetish that she wants a "trad woman". It's the same with gay guys who want the mythical ideal masculine guy who would be into them but not be faggy. Or dumpy fat chicks who think a chad millionaire is around the next corner. They recognize this sort of person is an ideal partner but forget why such an ideal partner wouldn't pick them and/or hypocritically doesn't want to do their part to be the same sort of ideal. At least with most gay guys they just get over the fact there is no real suave, James Bond out there who wants to husband them up. The same can't be said for the dumpy fat chicks and trannies though. It's like there is this influx of people who think they can have the most out of their league person as a "preference" along the same lines as "you can be whoever you want to be!" Most normal people are aware and comfortable with the fact they'll only ever get with other normal people. Along with a lot of the other fantasies people these days like to have, they also think there is a prince(ss) charming out there ready to pick them, they just have to wait/look harder.
 
I don't think it's just for a fetish that she wants a "trad woman".
I don't think that. I think that it's a fetish because she's not specific about what religion she wants her future religious wife. Any normal person would either be religious themselves and want their partner to have the same religion (or similar denomination) or a non-religious person who would want another non-religious or a moderate who doesn't have it affect their life.

Religion is such a massive part of life for someone who very religious that's really objectifying and disrespectful to treat it like it's some kind of hot quirk. It would be a massive life shift to date people of different religions. I'm not even religious and I think her attitude is insulting.

TBH trad wife's for the TiFs are the same as lesbians/exclusively straight men for the TiMs. The sexually motivated trannies always want the one thing they're not suppose to have. They fixate on it like a kid who cries for a toy another is playing with.
 
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Fistulissa update.
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While there are isolated reports that point to THC potentiating serotonin syndrome, it is more likely to cause toxicity on its own that gets misdiagnosed as serotonin syndrome.

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TBH trad wife's for the TiFs are the same as lesbians/exclusively straight men for the TiMs. The sexually motivated trannies always want the one thing they're not suppose to have. The fixate on it like a kid who cries for a toy another is playing with.
I don't think it's just that but that someone religious/trad is seen as wholesome and stable. Which is the kind of person this TiF would like. She sort of gets that she is anti-thetical to the kind of relationship that woman would agree to, but still holds on to the fantasy anyway.
 
TBH trad wife's for the TiFs are the same as lesbians/exclusively straight men for the TiMs.
This is it. If she can attract and keep a straight, cis, traditionally religious woman that would be the ultimate validation that she really is a true and honest man. Someone bi or pan doesn't fulfill this need, even if they truly love her, she'll be certain (and probably correctly so) that they see her as a woman or man-adjacent, not a REAL man.

Her ideal partner is a mirror reflecting what she wants to see, rather than what she is.
 
Let’s take a look at this wonder of modern medicine, shall we?
Imagine getting your dick made by Kaiser Permanente.

Imagine the corners that they must cut...
TiF Predator_Driver103 got her phalloplasty earlier this year in May. She's a foreigner alone in the USA.
So far she's:
  • Needed to go to the ER 4 times
  • Has constant reoccurring UTIs
  • Has gallbladder stones
  • Fluid in her right Ovary
She got a frankenpeen with intact ovaries? What's going on with that?
 
TiM wonders where his frenulum has gone after his dickchop. He needs it to orgasm NoPage667
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How do I find my frenulum - Post MTF SRS
I had SRS about 6 months ago and for some reason I can't feel my frenulum nerve which was how I orgasmed before SRS.. will it grow back or where do I look, how do I know if I have one or when/if I can find it
and extra info in comments:
My clit is attached at the level of my public bone so there is no projection like with a cis woman so it's more or less flat. my inner foreskin skin (of which I had about 1cm) is only above and on either side of my clit so since the frenulum nerve was on the bottom side of my penis under my inner skin (which was removed) I have no frenulum or frenulums as it were
Fun fact. The frenulum is right where the surgeon cuts through (for typical penile inversion) and the general area is discarded. His frenulum was turned into carbon by an incinerator six months ago.

If you wanna watch exactly what I mean. This video (NSFW) has a part that shows the anatomy at 4:19 then shows the removal of the cavernosal bodies at 4:30. It doesn't show the removal of the bottom half of the glans on camera but later you can see the urethra has been cleaned off ~6:09.
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Love these replies. The first one, specifically. If butchers are telling you no it's too dangerous, perhaps you should listen, little pooner. Fuck that, doctor shop!

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Wildboy1721 here also has a low hanger:
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Went searching her profile for pics of the origami dong, sadly none but did find this explanation of how she kept her lil dood at a 90° angle post-op:

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"Just a cool dude wearing fanny pack"

Edit @Peaches Demure ah I'm a dumdum I was looking in the wrong place for rottie pics on her profile
Anyone remember the old SNL clip "Dick In A Box"?
 
personally I do not care what adults decide to do with their bodies, dangerous or otherwise. however as a medical worker I think these kind of surgeries need to be studied properly, developed correctly, and overseen. publication of results and techniques should be a requirement.
Under that logic, we should allow people with Body Integration Identity Disorder to amputate their limbs?
https://preservetube.com/watch?v=m0wlupf36vg

There's actually a lot of crossover, a significant amount of posters on r/biid/ are trannies:
Transgirl with BIID / Archive
Hi I'm also new here. I'm Amber. I'm 37, trans-femme from the east coast of the US, and for the last 15 years or so I've known I need to be a dak amputee. There's a spot on each leg about 2-3 inches above my kneecaps that I often feel day in and day out is the line. Below that line, I don't need my legs.
About 10 years ago I found a wheelchair on ebay that fit pretty closely to my measurements. On my off-days or in the evenings I would drive far outside of town to the suburbs where I hoped nobody I knew would see me and I'd wheel around - exurban malls are great for this, btw. I could only pretend to be a paraplegic because I could never fold my legs in at the knees well enough to make it work, but just the act of having a chair and experiencing a little bit of what it's like day to day to have a kind of a disability was incredibly liberating.
I have not used the chair in a few years because my wave dipped pretty low for other reasons (realizing I'm trans and dealing with that whole thing occupied most of my brain for awhile) but being at home during covid so much, i've seen my wave increase and I'm glad I found you all here.
Hi... Angela here / Archive
Hi there:
My name is Anglea, I am 32 Years old, trans female and desire to be made permanently nonverbal which for all intents and purposes is a very specific BIID that is not all that common. I mainly use my iPad to communicate along with other systems.
I've also desired to have custom memory resets, checkpoint restores, etc. I've gotten that but at the cost of going through years of physical, emotional, medical, sexual, and other kinds of abuse... so I wish it came from some other way than my life going up in smoke.
In regards to the permanently nonverbal thing: it's physically and emotionally painful to speak verbally so that's a thing...
Anyhow, jsut wanted to pop in and say hell to all of you fine folks. If you've got any questions; feel free to ask.
How do I tell my parents / Archive
How do I tell my parents I want part of my leg amputated. I'm 28 but I live with my parents currently and I want to tell them about my BIID but I don't know how to go about it and I'm not sure how they will react. They are good with me being gay and a non-binary trans gender but I'm not sure how they would take this or how to tell them cause it's such a strange thing to want.
Any tips on telling them?
24 M UK - left below knee /Archive
(Reposting because I posted it from the wrong account 🤦)
Hey everyone, Just thought I'd do an introductory post. I've experienced this since I was around 7 years old. My left foot is just not mine, and it being there causes so much hurt, frustration, and discomfort. I just feel so disconnected from it. I'm already a part time wheelchair user for another condition - I wish they could just take my foot off too! Not like being in a wheelchair would be new and challenging for me. How do you all deal with this dysphoria? I've experienced gender dysphoria and this is notably different. Although after having chest surgery, my gender dysphoria improved so much it's basically gone. I just wish I could get surgery for my BIID and experience that same relief from the left foot on my body. Sorry for the ramble, thought it best to explain my situation fully.
This is what I am. No doubt. There are so many of us. / Archive
So I realized like a while ago that what I feel is an intense dysphoria about my body, like I'm supposed to have a specific disability, I'm wrong without it. I'm also a trans woman, so I recognize it as specifically dysphoria. But the disability for me is bladder incontinence.
And like. I don't think the people like me have made the connection to BIID, or else we'd be all over this sub, because there are SO MANY of us! Been reading this sub and seeing your terms for things, you call it simming? The Wave? We call it "going 24/7" and "the binge purge cycle" (I like yours more). This has been a hell of a revelation. Thank you so much just for being here.
Their attempts at trying to explain this in their own framework are hilariously clueless:
24yo trans man LAK / Archive
Hey fellas
Been dealing with biid since I’m 8, very likely due to a trauma actually. I’m a cane user mostly because of osteoarthritis, but I want my left leg removed above the knee and it just gives me more reasons to be actually crippled.
I just hated my leg and the pain that went with it, but since I started my gender transition, I realised how easy it was to relieve that unease and found out about biid right after that.
Sometimes I think about my left eye the same way, but I don’t think this one is related since I just am heavily impaired on this side and want it either fixed or gone for good.
Anyway, glad to see it wasn’t too hard in the end to find a community to talk about it and share on the topic!
[–]Melodic-Ad1018 3 points 2 months ago
This is weird, to me BIID is connected to trans dysphoria. And may be genetic too? My brother is trans, he wants his lady tits out and I want my left leg out or at least toenails. It makes me think too hard about it.

[–]WormholephobiaLAK[S] 3 points 2 months ago
I think it is related in the sense that both are the result of a different brain mapping/unease with your current body. Now is trans dysphoria a form of biid? I’m unsure because it also involves a huge social construct that differs heavily from amputee’s social construct, and goes beyond that too since being trans is also a question of gendered brain (I guess there is an equivalent to biid somehow tho). But I definitely see what you mean!
[–]Melodic-Ad1018 2 points 2 months ago
I've no idea, but these two dysphorias has to be connected somehow!

[–]OccasionNew2175 2 points 2 months ago
I think there is a link somewhere there. Not necessarily for everyone but there seems to be a significant portion of people who have biid who are also trans or at least have some dysphoria re their genitalia. Wonder why that is?
[–]WormholephobiaLAK[S] 2 points 2 months ago
Like my reply above, I think it’s more of a form of biid than a completely related thing. I saw some reports saying successful amputees were tempted to go further and get rid of more limbs so it could be a prolongation of the whole titty/dick/… cutting thing. Now I didn’t see much of the community yet, but I’m not surprised there’s a correlation between the two :0 or maybe it’s pure random chance that we combine the two!

[–]Past_Carpenter878 2 points 2 months ago
Welcome! I'm trans too. I would also like my left eye removed. I hope you find what you're looking for here
[–]WormholephobiaLAK[S] 2 points 2 months ago
Heyyy nice! And thank you 😊

[–]Amoeba4759LBE 1 point 1 month ago
I'm MTF trans and had a need for an LBE since as far back as I can remember, I also had dysphoria regarding my gender just as long. I achieved my LBE five years ago.
Trans and BIID / Archive
Hey y'all, newbie here. I'm trans, and I don't know if it's something often discussed here, but judging from the recent posts there seems to be a disproportionate amount of trans people here? Does anyone have any ideas of why there'd be a link between being trans and having BIID?
My favorite explanation is this one:
Agender, Transandrogyne, double below knee BIID. Also Autism. It may be social factors- we may be more predisposed to /realize/ we have BIID and flock to online communities for it because we already have the experience to contextualize and understand what we're feeling and the internet-savvy and community seeking/building to find others like ourselves.
This doesn't discount the possibility of neurological links but it does necessitate developing controls in any potential study of possible links.
"We're just more likely to be open about it because we're open about it! Just like me being autistic means I'm just more honest about being trans, not because autists are easily groomed!"

By the way, they have their own confusing acronyms:
How the hell should I know what I I identify? I just want to cut my right leg... / Archive
AK - Above Knee amputation BK - Below Knee amputation AE - Above Elbow BE - Below Elbow SD - Shoulder Disarticulation HD - Hip Disarticulation
Prefix the above with L for left, R for Right, or D for Double/Dual
Other variants should be fairly sensible - disarticulation is separation at a joint - removing a foot at the ankle would be an ankle disarticulation, for example.
In your case, RHD, RAK, RKD, RBK, or RAD would go from complete removal of the right leg at the hip to removing the right foot at the ankle.

Here's a post by a detransitioned pooner that admits to having multiple mental illnesses:
Is this BIID or am I just an attention seeker? / Archive
19F, some of the time I want my left leg amputated above the knee, sometimes both, and the other times I want to be paralyzed at the waist and use a wheelchair fulltime. I don’t spend most days thinking about this, but on days I do, it feels all-encompassing… not to be dramatic lol. It’s been like this for years upon years but only come out in full force in the last two or so.

I can spent hours daydreaming about what my life would be like. I have dreams about it. It’s like all my problems would be solved if only I could just lose some or all of my legs or their functions. I can see a picture in my mind of what I would look like and it looks so familiar to me. It’s not an “I wish” thought, but rather it’s like I expect it to all fall into place one day, even though I have no idea how. It’s a thought like, “when this finally happens/once I finally lose my leg(s), then….” the rest of my life can begin? Yeah, I don’t know.

I have other issues so it’s not out of the question that I’m just looking for attention as a respite from them. I have GAD, SAD, major depression, and minor BPD which leaves me unable to work and on temporary government assistance. Either of these changes to my body would help me secure permanent disability benefits so I never have to worry about being shit out of luck. It would give me a way to connect with the world by way of meeting other amputees, since as of now I feel like I’m stuck in a limbo where I can’t seem to reach out to anyone else due to my own incompetence as a person. We have a family friend I’ve known since elementary who has severe EDS, she is non-ambulatory and uses a wheelchair fulltime; she’s fantastic and I can only imagine how deeply we would connect if I became a wheelchair user too. I have regular , unexplained leg pain that keeps me up at night that nobody can treat or diagnose. Losing my legs or their function feels like a natural escalation and a solution to the pain. I’ve also struggled with self harm and I could see my desire for an “accident” to be an extension of my wish to hurt myself, but that can’t be /all/. It has to go deeper; this feeling is too severe and different than my usual urges.

I just feel so wrong. I’m wrong as a person, my body is wrong, it’s like I’m not going to be “myself” unless something drastic changes, there’s something inside of me that isn’t like anybody else and it’s shameful to try and admit or explain it. It’s not like something “evil” either, it’s just odd, and defective, and obvious to everyone around me. So I need the outside to match the inside, in some way or another. Amputation or wheelchairs would do it.

I’ve tried other things like transitioning (I lived as “out” FTM trans from ages 13-16), considered myself “alterhuman,” questioned an autism diagnosis…. and I can’t find anything that sticks or makes me feel like a real person who’s meant to exist on this earth. It sounds like I’m just bouncing between coping mechanisms but they’ve all existed together in at least some capacity, and the internal feelings still remain strong. It’s just that nothing I do has brought me the relief I seek, so I stop trying.

Am I just… not right? Batty? Lost my marbles? Has anything I’ve said made even a lick of sense? I’ve never told anyone about these feelings, I’m too ashamed. Throwaway account for the same reason. What’s wrong with me and how do I make it stop?

And this isn't technically tranny related, but it's still disgusting:
Fiance considering surgery / Archive
Ill try to make this as short as possible, looking for advice..
Ive been with my fiancé going on 7 years. Im 24 hes 25. I knew about his diaper wearing, abdl and desire to be incontinent before we even dated. I told him I had no problem with it. I support him fully and change him often, (not every time).. recently hes been talking to me about getting a surgery to make him permanently incontinent. He has been doing a lot of research and he believes this will make him feel “whole and his true self.” When I think about this surgery I get a lot of anxiety. He tells me its very low risk of something going wrong, but even that small risk scares me to my core. He tells me for him, its worth the risk. I love him very much and want him be happy but harming his body in this way is truly terrifying me. I want to have kids here in the next five years and the risk of something going wrong and us not being able to do that is also something im really struggling with.. (his solution to this problem is just freezing his eggs which I dont like because id like to get pregnant the natural way) The fact he wont ever be able to reverse the surgery is extremely hard for me to accept as well. Apparently according to him its legal, but most doctors wont agree to it so thats why you have to go out of the country. I never completely shut him down, I told him we can consider it and think about it. But fuck I dont want him to do this. Im trying to read more about BIID and understand conceptually what is happening in his mind. Its hard for me to wrap my head around this illness as I have the exact opposite feelings as him and am very scared of becoming incontinent due to old age way in the future. I understand this is not his mindset at all and he says studies have been done that show surgeries like this have been bennifical for those suffering with BIID. But it is a form of self harm. Even if it helps mentally, physically it is harm to your body and it creates risks, and those two things I just cant seem to get past. Im really just venting on here but if anyone has any advice, thats great. Just know this isnt a matter of him being convinced by me or a therapist that this isnt a healthy option. Because morals and ethical ideas are completely subjective in his mind. And if a therapist or anyone else for that matter tells him “this is wrong for blank reason” it doesn’t matter to him because he desperately wants to be incontinent and any harm or risk is worth it.
Her adult baby fiance wants to get an incontinence surgery so he can piss himself authentically.
I am not sure where he could get surgery for such a thing. Many people here would want surgery to be disabled in the way they feel they need to be but the medical community will not do such a thing. In any case, I do not see how it would affect his ability to get you pregnant unless he is looking into losing his penis; being incontinent should not require that but I have no idea what they would do.
You love him and that is good. You should try to understand what he is dealing with and it is not easy dealing with BID. Also, therapy does not work nor do drugs. It is part of how one’s brain is wired so there is no other cure but for one to get what they need. It is similar to being Transgender. So please understand him. You love him and you should be able to look over his issues.
[–]Revolutionary-Arm654[S] 2 points 2 months ago
I should have said urinary*** incontinence because that is what he is going for strictly urinary. And that does come with some risks for ED. He says that other people he has found on an online forum that have this have found a dr who does it safely in Mexico. People have gotten good results. I do love him and thats why im putting in the effort to understand and stand by his side. But my feelings of anxiety and concern are valid too. Im considering going to couples counseling not for treatment for him but for myself as this is very intense and emotional for me seeing him struggle with this.
"Also, therapy does not work nor do drugs. It is part of how one’s brain is wired so there is no other cure but for one to get what they need. It is similar to being Transgender. So please understand him."
Yes, they're using the transwidow argument.

They talk about going out in wheelchairs they don't need like troons talk about going around in panties:
Wanting a wheelchair / Archive
Really wanting a wheelchair rn. I’m caught up again with longingly staring at photos of my dream chairs, like tilite and quickie.
I guess I “lucked” out though, because I actually might be developing an actual disability that if it keeps up and/or gets worse, might actually leave me needing a wheelchair for real. Don’t want to go further into that. Yay, kind of? Yay for wheelchair, but the actual disability itself is bringing me down
I just wish I could sit in one and wheel around, even if just for a couple minutes. I use the grocery store motor carts on bad days but it isn’t the same as wheeling myself, which is my dream
Wheeled with friend / Archive
I have para bid and have used a wheelchair in private for a year. That is I wheel when I go out shopping or on recreation as long as I'm alone. Yesterday I spent time in my chair with my friend for the first time. So although it was my first time in this social context, I am experienced with the physical act of wheeling.
After I came out to him, my friend suggested I could bring my chair next time we hang out. So we visited a museum and met at the entrance. I was worried it would be awkward but we just met and went in, everything pretty much as normal. We chatted about usual things for most of the time - work, relationships, media, hobbies.
One thing I noticed is we navigated our movement differently. In terms of what distance to keep, who goes first and what cues for that, holding doors and elevators, etc. I guess that's probably a thing for a lot of people who haven't spent much time around wheelers. It was totally new for me too, traveling with somebody. I think he was trying to be polite and give me space, but as the day went on we got closer in distance and things felt... natural. Like just hanging out like nothing special.
He told me that spending time with me felt normal too. I was relieved because I thought my presence could make him uncomfortable. But I guess we're still the same old friends.
As we were leaving I opened a door on my own, and did a wheelie to get over some cracks. He was surprised as he didn't realize I could do all that. He knows I have been wheeling privately for some time - building my wheelie chops. I guess he may be starting to realize someone in a wheelchair can still be very independent. I can see he's open to the learning.
This experience is completely unlike what I expected. I thought it would be painfully awkward to hang out and we would stop being friends. I almost cancelled our plans. But on this day it felt... just normal, and that was validating as someone constantly worried about being too different. I think my next step needs to be coming out to more close friends, and wheeling more in my life - with no goal of 100% full time or anything, just doing it more to start. Living a split life won't be totally straight forward, because I may have to explain to someone why they saw me wheeling when they usually see me walk. But it's what I need to do next - move in that direction.
Folks who have simulated with supportive friends or family, how did the experience go for you?

Naturally there is surgery talk. But because BIID surgery isn't legal yet, pictures are rare:
BIID-AMPUTEE / Archive
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[–]strzeka 3 points 2 years ago
Nicely rounded stump. What prosthetics do you use? One LBK biid friend uses a peg leg inside because he likes to go barefoot.
It's finally happening 47 F BID amputation / Archive
Success!
My CRPS has finally gotten to the point where they are going to amputate my right leg below the knee. I meet with the surgeon on the 11th of March to schedule and I have an appointment with the amputation care clinic on the 19th, but I'm not quite sure what that one will be for because I don't the surgery will happen before then.
Successful LBE - AMA / Archive
I successfully became an LBE five years ago, AMA. Some questions may need to be answered by DM.
Please dont ask for pictures, respect my privacy.
[–]oneeyeguy_1954 2 points 1 month ago
Which do you prefer--wearing the body powered prosthetic hook or without and using your stump?

[–]Amoeba4759LBE[S] 6 points 1 month ago
I wear it about half the time. If I'm doing something and I can do it with my nub, nubbing it is the way to go. I still have feeling in it and I can do a lot with it. Other things, I have to do with my hook, like cooking. But if I'm just hanging out I dont wear it. It can hot and it's just more comfortable to be nub out. My girlfriend likes nub out too, she squeezes and massages it when we're watching tv or cuddling.
His girlfriend likes stroking the nub. 🤮

A lot of the posts are about how to successfully fake symptoms to get an amputation or a request for a dm about "a guy you know in Mexico".
Succeeded with amputation / Archive
It's happening next week and I can't wait. I didn't need to injure myself, and will be having a safe and legal surgery. All this required was faking of certain symptoms over a long period of time. I'm cautious to share details but just wanted to share this with someone.
It you have questions, you can AMA but I may only reply in dms.
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kaaaaath 7 points 2 years ago
Physician here. I'm guessing you faked CRPS?
[–]CorruptedBodyImageDAK/Partial Paraplegia 7 points 2 years ago*
faking CRPS is a meme in the BID community, but aren't there physiological signs of CRPS like vasospasm? and you'd have to forge some documentation of a serious neurological injury or a predisposing condition for doctors to consider it.
also, I hope as a physician you don't become suspicious of people with CRPS faking. it's extremely debilitating and amputation is far less impairing than living with the constant burning pain. given that the prognosis is fairly grim, and that amputation often works, I think it gets way more stigma than it's due.
also, why are you here?
[–]kaaaaath 14 points 2 years ago
I don’t know what you mean by it being a meme. I actually have CRPS. While there are physiological signs, they aren’t always present. I am not suspect of my patients that have CRPS, and, CRPS can be brought on by any sort of trauma, a neurological injury is not a requirement, (for example, I currently have a patient with CRPS resulting from a routine ACL repair.) Additionally, I’m here because as a trauma surgeon I have seen more than one botched attempted self-amputation, and I believe that BIID should actually be treated, (as in, treated so a person with BIID’s body becomes what they wish it to be, as long as it is won’t endanger them.)

[–]CorruptedBodyImageDAK/Partial Paraplegia 8 points 2 years ago
fascinating. I wasn't aware BID was prevalent enough that ER surgeons would see more than a single case in their lifetime. though I guess it's a big world, and even if it's quite rare someone's bound to see it twice in their hospital!
by "meme" I meant that I've heard folklore about BID sufferers faking CRPS to obtain amputations before, a couple of times. I hadn't lent credence to them since I assumed it'd be quite challenging to fabricate the symptoms I'd assumed were required for diagnosis.
I'm sorry for my suspicious reply initially - BID is stigmatized so I've learned to be wary of outsiders, and I have a condition (EDS) that people do fake, and that doctors are consequently often suspicious of, so I was sensitive. my hypermobility is fairly extreme so I can just show them, fortunately.

[–]Perfect-Dimension3D RAE 5 points 2 years ago
I wish there were more who see this as you do. Trying to DIY is so dangerous and yet so many think that bypassing that is somehow causing more harm. :(
[–]johnSco21 4 points 2 years ago*
The medical community does not yet accept our needs. They feel we are delusional and that they should not give us surgery because we are crazy. They feel we can get therapy to get over it. We know that does not work but they cannot accept it. Yes, DYI is dangerous but people get so depressed and desperate that they sometimes act out to get what they need. Some have died doing so. This is why Robert Smith did the two voluntary amputations way back in 1997. All these years later help is still not available for people with BID.
[–]Perfect-Dimension3D RAE 2 points 2 years ago
Yeah, I know all this. It's frustrating.

[–]johnSco21 1 point 2 years ago
It is good to see someone from the medical community who actually believes that people with BID would be better off if they can have the surgery they need so they will not endanger themselves. This is why Robert Smith amputated two people's legs to stop them from doing something dangerous to get what they need to be done. That was way back in 1997 and he was shut down from doing more. The ones who got their amputations were quite happy afterward.
The medical community does not recognize our needs. You are an outlier and it is good to hear from you. BID will be in the ICD-11 next week so it is now a real disorder that can be diagnosed. Will we get what we need from the medical community now that it is official?
If you read some of the posts here you will understand how much pain BID causes people, especially when they are at the top of The Wave. When they get to the Super Top is when they might do something dangerous to get what they need to be done.
The worse part of BID is not that one wants to be "disabled" but the fact that one's mind tells them they have a need to have the body they feel they need to have and the medical community will not give a person suffering from BID what they need to be done. The few successful people are quite happy with getting what they needed for their bodies to be. Also, it is a need and not just a desire. We are not crazy as much as what we want to be done is crazy. The medical community feels we are delusional. We are not delusional but we are in pain in our minds.
In the WIKI on top here, there is a report from the WHO that talks about what BID is and what it is not. Too bad more people from the medical community do not know about BID. I am glad you came here to say you have some understanding of BID.

[–]TellMeYoullDoItSuccessful DAK 0 points 2 years ago
Would you perform surgery on me to cure my bid? I want both my legs removed
[–]Just_another_biidDHD 0 points 2 years ago
Me too.

In the thread they mention Robert Smith, a Scottish doctor who was willing to amputate healthy limbs:
A New Way to Be Mad
In January of this year British newspapers began running articles about Robert Smith, a surgeon at Falkirk and District Royal Infirmary, in Scotland. Smith had amputated the legs of two patients at their request, and he was planning to carry out a third amputation when the trust that runs his hospital stopped him. These patients were not physically sick. Their legs did not need to be amputated for any medical reason. Nor were they incompetent, according to the psychiatrists who examined them. They simply wanted to have their legs cut off. In fact, both the men whose limbs Smith amputated have declared in public interviews how much happier they are, now that they have finally had their legs removed.

Healthy people seeking amputations are nowhere near as rare as one might think. In May of 1998 a seventy-nine-year-old man from New York traveled to Mexico and paid $10,000 for a black-market leg amputation; he died of gangrene in a motel. In October of 1999 a mentally competent man in Milwaukee severed his arm with a homemade guillotine, and then threatened to sever it again if surgeons reattached it. That same month a legal investigator for the California state bar, after being refused a hospital amputation, tied off her legs with tourniquets and began to pack them in ice, hoping that gangrene would set in, necessitating an amputation. She passed out and ultimately gave up. Now she says she will probably have to lie under a train, or shoot her legs off with a shotgun.

For the first time that I am aware of, we are seeing clusters of people seeking voluntary amputations of healthy limbs and performing amputations on themselves. The cases I have identified are merely those that have made the newspapers. On the Internet there are enough people interested in becoming amputees to support a minor industry. One discussion listserv has 1,400 subscribers.

"It was the most satisfying operation I have ever performed," Smith told a news conference in February. "I have no doubt that what I was doing was the correct thing for those patients." Although it took him eighteen months to work up the courage to do the first amputation, Smith eventually decided that there was no humane alternative. Psychotherapy "doesn't make a scrap of difference in these people," the psychiatrist Russell Reid, of Hillingdon Hospital, in London, said in a BBC documentary on the subject, called Complete Obsession, that was broadcast in Britain last winter. "You can talk till the cows come home; it doesn't make any difference. They're still going to want their amputation, and I know that for a fact." Both Smith and Reid pointed out that these people may do themselves unintended harm or even kill themselves trying to amputate their own limbs. As the retired psychiatrist Richard Fox observed in the BBC program, "Let's face it, this is a potentially fatal condition."

Yet the psychiatrists and the surgeon were all baffled by the desire for amputation. Why would anyone want an arm or a leg cut off? Where does this sort of desire come from? Smith has said that the request initially struck him as "absolutely, utterly weird." "It seemed very strange," Reid told the BBC interviewer. "To be honest, I couldn't quite understand it."

Surgery cost? / Archive
First of all i want to say I dont know how to get in contact with a surgeon who is willing to preform an amputation. That is an issue for an later time.(altho i would appreciate any information about his)
My dysphoria is getting harder and harder to handle. And at this point in my life, it feels almost impossible to continue living like this. I dont feel like attempting to remove my leg on own would be successful. Im more worried about failing to get it off, than dying. Its worth the risk, definitely , but im not sure how id even do such a thing.
If I cant do that, i want to at least to get information about how much it would cost to get a professional to do it for me. If i have a goal its easier to find hope of ever reaching it.
What i need is an bellow the knee leg amputation. If anyone on here had gone thru this progress id greatly appreciate letting me know the ca price you had to pay.
[–]Bocksford 7 points 3 years ago
I know a guy. DM me for info on professionals.
Cost wise, $20k per leg.

Trouble is on the horizon though: the man who wrote The Man Who Would Be Queen, J Michael Bailey, is insinuating that BIID is mostly a sexual fetish! How dare he!
A psychology professor by the name of J. Michael Bailey has taken an interest in BIID/BID / Archive
Last summer, he posted links to a survey for a study or book or whatever he wants to do on "amputee devotees" and "amputee wannabes." He says he wants to increase acceptance, but his approach to this is entirely about sex, about reducing BIID to sexual attraction and fetishes.
He made waves in 2004 when he wrote a book about transgender women in which he promoted a pseudoscientific theory from nearly 20 years prior painting transgender women as motivated entirely by wanting sex - either with straight men or with themselves, and has introduced this nonsense to people who wish to use it (and other pseudoscience or outright lies) to harm transgender people.
He said "The Man Who Would be King" was meant to promote acceptance for transgender women, and it did the opposite. He now wants to promote acceptance for people with BIID, but his survey's framing is almost purely salacious and prurient, and likely to result in a similar outcome. He'll bring BIID to the mainstream but what people will see will be sexual fetishists looking for amputation-related orgasms, not people who have a neurological body map that that makes amputation or paralysis not just preferable, but needed.
I don't know what there is to do about it, and people with BIID are already viewed poorly. All I can say is that if Bailey finishes this study and publishes it may very well set things back for all of us.
If you find his survey, just going through the first few pages will show what his focus really is, but I would advise against actually finishing it. He's not asking the kind of questions that will help. He's a sexologist, and he looks at trans people, people with BIID and the like as primarily or exclusively motivated by sexual thrills more than anything.

Incidentally, the posters on the amputee support subreddit (that is, the only SFW amputee subreddit- all the other amputee subreddits are just amputee fetish porn) complain about BIID fetishists sexually harassing them:
Do you also have been contacted by devotees and/or BIID people? If yes, what kind of response is acceptable? / Archive
Hello everyone, since joining this Reddit, I have been contacted by Devotees multiple times and really don’t know if that something common or if there is any way to stop it from happening, do you have any advice about it?
Also, on similar occasions, I have been contacted here by people suffering from BIID sending me messages about how they want to sever one of their limb and I was wondering if it had happened to anybody here and if there was a kind of way to respond to those people? Or perhaps just let it go? Thank you for your time.

There's a somewhat similar subreddit to r/biid, r/transabled. However, they're small and only recently created, and because of their name, they get harrassed by the all-powerful reddit tranny horde, and even got raided a month ago.
So you get 13 year old pooners whining about how their self-diagnosed mental illnesses are being made to look ridiculous because of the transabled community. "Your mental illness is fake, but my split personalities are totally real!"
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And posters accidentally being based:
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Leading to a lockdown:
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One of the posters mentioned r/ transracial, and frankly, I think transablism is much more likely to go mainstream than transracialism. Not because society is so obsessed with racism- society was also obsessed with misogyny before trannies became more important than women. It's because ultimately, most of the work of looking like another race is cosmetic. Most of the transracial posters use makeup, dye and straighten their hair, and wear contacts. Any surgery is relatively minor, like eyelid surgery or a nosejob.

But there is some serious money that could be made off of BIID. The surgeries are the most obvious source of profit, but the prosthetic and mobility aid industries will have an expanded consumer base.
You can see a few articles around trying to justify it:
Anthropology scholar Jenny L. Davis writes about how transabled people construct their identities . Not all transabled people express what Davis refers to as “impairment needs” in the same way. She writes:
The term wannabe refers to those who want/need to have a physical impairment. Pretenders act out their impairment-needs by, for example, folding an appendage, inserting ear plugs, wearing opaque contacts, walking on crutches, wheeling themselves in a chair, or wearing neck/leg/back braces. Devotees experience fetishistic attractions toward the physically impaired bodies of others…
The Complicated Issue of Transableism
A Norwegian article about a troon that wants to be a cripple:
Da Jørund Viktoria (53) avslørte hemmeligheten sin, valgte kona å bli
BID story in local paper /Archive
I’ve recently recorded a podcast produced by my local paper, today they printed a story based on this. Actually kind of proud to have come this far on my journey - living completely openly with BID.
Here is an English translation (hope its not too bad):


An unusual woman in an ordinary small town – this is how Jørund Viktoria handles her gazes
From man to woman is one thing. It is the wheelchair that Jørund Viktoria Alme gets the most attention around.
Five years ago, she was a walking man. Now she's a woman in a wheelchair. Jørund Viktoria Alme has chosen to be open about her two conditions, including at God Morgen Norway on TV2, in Dagens Næringsliv and VG.
"The feature on national television was a culmination of a long media journey, which started in Romsdals Budstikke. I realized that I had to get a grip and live more in tune with myself. When you go out into the world and talk about such big changes, it will be talked about. I was a bank manager in Molde. By being open, I'm getting a grip on my own story. It was also about removing remnants of shame, which I have struggled with so much, says Jørund Viktoria.

A demanding journey
There has been no shortage of reactions; from the good and significant, from people who struggle with the same thing and say thank you, to the really ugly characterizations, says Jørund Viktoria in the latest episode of Listen to Her.
  • How do you handle ugly feedback?
"It's often about reactions to a headline, a narrative that somebody is trying to create, and doesn't go to me personally. Then it's easier to deal with.

She says that the two transformations – from male to trans woman, and from able-bodied to using a wheelchair – have naturally been a tremendously demanding journey personally as well.

"It's been terribly strong, I've struggled with it my whole life and worked hard not to open things up. So it didn't go any further, I had to figure this out, it's been a journey of working with personal acceptance—finding it, and working with all the knots of shame and displacement.
  • Do you understand that people think it's weird?
"Yes, I understand that. There is a little-known diagnosis and little information around it. When something breaks with our understanding of the world around us, we have to go a few rounds, break with prejudices and notions. It has been demanding for me and demanding for everyone else," says Jørund Viktoria.

A failure in neurology
Jørund Viktoria has Body Integrity Disphoria – abbreviated BID – a rare diagnosis, listed in the international disease overview ICD-11, for which the World Health Organization is responsible.

"When you have BID, you experience incongruence with the body you have and how it should have been. There is a disharmony, which creates noise and symptoms that are difficult to deal with. Research indicates that there is misprogramming in neurology," explains Jørund Viktoria.

– What symptoms?
"It's about a mind race. I often use an image, where you can imagine a processor in a computer. The BID is an active program in the processor, which starts up automatically, one cannot stop or control it. The program can snooze, but it can also take all the capacity, stealing all resources. It's affected by different triggers, and you don't have control.

She herself has BID symptoms in her first memories, from the age of four or five. A concrete example is the day a boy entered the 2nd grade class in elementary school with splints and crutches.

"For me, it was a trigger event. I didn't dare be around, terrified that someone would realize what was going on inside me. Because I should have been like him. It was tough," she recalls.

The head – not the legs – is assisted by the wheelchair
She found the diagnosis online together with his wife Agnes. Later she was assessed by a German research institute and her Norwegian psychologist.
  • How did you find out that a wheelchair can help you?
"It took me a while to realize that. The train of thought contains something, thoughts about how it should have been, that the legs don't work. So I found a wheelchair on Finn (like eBay/Craigslist), and when I sat down in it, something existential happened. It was like coming home, it was only natural for me to be in that situation. And I learned how to have it without the run in your head.
  • Was it a relief or a despair?
"A relief to be doing so well, but a tremendous thing to think that you should be this person in public. I felt this was going to be tough.
-Some people react to you 'voluntarily' getting in a wheelchair?
–Yes. Many people react on behalf of others, who are in wheelchairs. While I get messages from people with typical spinal cord injury. And when they realize that the wheelchair is a tool, they treat each other to it.

Getting up from her chair
She says a conversation with wheelchair user Mort1 Rulle, published to his 200,000 tik-tok followers, became clarifying.

"I was able to convey what it's actually about. I get that headlines can be provoking, but there's actually a diagnosis behind it. My world is better now. What tilted everything for me is that I lost the ability to work. When I understood how much better work capacity I get with a wheelchair, and got to explain it to people... Then I bridge the gap.

-The head is helped by the wheelchair – not the legs?
"Yes, that's how you can say it.
– What happens to the legs - does the musculature fade..?
"To a certain extent, if you don't use your legs at all. But it doesn't take much activity. I think I would have had challenges walking the Romsdalseggen, but I've had to shovel snow so it's enough this winter, and I also get up and walk when I'm doing gardening, or taking a cab. But then the bite symptoms appear, with racing thoughts, and I become very antisocial. They may arrive quickly, or it may take some time.
– Do you get a wheelchair from NAV?
Despite unknown diagnosis; Jørund Viktoria tells of nice meetings with her GP and psychologist, who have been many also because in the midst of everything she was diagnosed with cancer.
She says that she is currently "under assessment" at Rikshospitalet in relation to treatment of gender incongruence – where it will be assessed whether she is "trans" enough.
"It must be obvious, if you ask me. But they say they need to have more knowledge about bids.
  • Is there medicine for BID?
"No, no way that's been found, therapy has also been tried. You can have anxiety and depression as consequential consequences. You get treatment for that. But researchers believe that because it's coded in neurology, you can't treat yourself out of it," says Jørund Viktoria, adding that in order to get rid of symptoms, some people choose to inflict harm on themselves – such as amputation of an arm or foot – through surgery, or at worst self-harm.
– What question do you get most often in relation to your wheelchair?
– Will I get a wheelchair from NAV (social service)? The answer is yes. It's about the chair being a solution to keep me working. So I have a clear conscience for that," says Jørund Viktoria, who commutes to Oslo and works as a financial analyst at Handelsbanken.

"These are attitudes that many wheelchair users face. We tend to see them as a burden and burden, a cost to the community, which has nothing to contribute. A lot of people think I'm on hub, when the truth is that I work at a high level, and a lot of overtime, and pay a lot of taxes. It's sad, and we need to do something about it

One hundred percent female
Jørund Viktoria agrees that there has been more acceptance and understanding of different gender identities and transgender people among the silent majority. At the same time, the picture is complex.

"In the United States, strong forces are working to ensure that transgender people are not accepted, rights are removed, there is an ugly climate, with debate around Pride and woke and an awful lot of noise in the media.
She herself looks back on a life where gender incongruence has been present all along – but repressed. In her teens, music came to the rescue, with makeup, long hair and special clothes. It wasn't until her late 40s that she bought her first high-heeled shoes, and admitted to her wife that she had tried on her dresses. Thus began their shared journey of opening up in shame and displacement.
  • Are your two states connected?
"Shame and displacement have lingered in both. The gender incongruence has been tougher to dig up, because it ended up at the very bottom, and I had a lot of resistance myself.
-You've been him, and now you're using her?

"I've realized that I'm one hundred percent female. I am registered as a woman in the National Registry, and perceive myself as a woman. Then there is still work to be done in relation to the physical," says Jørund Viktoria.
Wheeling around with a straight back

She says that she has started hormone therapy while waiting at Rikshospitalet and has two beautiful breasts – but that the other does not fade by itself. The gender change is necessary to get fully settled in itself," she says.
  • What about the Jørund part of your name - will it be included?
"It's bisexual historically. And I was bullied for having a girls' name when I was a kid. So it's a little point back to that, and for now, I have no plan for change.
She says that the processes have been difficult to handle also for his wife and the two boys, who are becoming adults.

"They have had friends who have changed genders and experienced the process firsthand. They are at the forefront of understanding. They're super nice. It takes something more to deal with the bid diagnosis," says Jørund Viktoria, who is called "mams", "dad" and by name – and is clear that she will always be "father".

-How do you manage to be so safe and open?
"Being open and honest, and telling who I am, is a key to finding safety. Then it has a lot to do with Agnes. She's amazing, she's not standing there like a cheerleader—she's shouted, screamed, swore, asked, explored and objected, every resistance you can think of. We've been through everything, we, so what comes from the outside, that...

-And now you're wheeling around in Molde with your back straight?"
"I meet a lot of nice people and have nice conversations. When you come out into the community and see the gazes of people... At first, I wasn't used to it. There's a lot of double glances, it's a little different from those glances, but they don't touch me," she says, adding:
"I have gone from a person in deep crisis to a person who is doing very well.

-Do you sometimes wish you were just a normal guy?"
"I don't think like that. I've never strived to be like everyone else. And I've suffered from adapting to expectations – no, I'm terribly happy for that journey, I've had a lot of great experiences I would never be without. And when you're open, people are open back. It's much better, than an ordinary, boring life.

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That guy posted above is one of the Jerry Springer guests that has stuck with me ever since I saw a rerun in the mid 00s. He was extremely fucked in the head between intentionally sawing off his own legs and stealing his mom's underwear for his crossdressing fetish. His mom actually appeared later in the episode and he told her about how much he wanted to skinwalk her. Very disturbing compared to the typical white trash slapfights on that show. I'd kill for a full episode cut to drop again.

And of course most of the newest comments are shaming Jerry (RIP) for exploiting a mentally ill tranny that volunteered to tell the world how he injected sewage into his legs to try to kill them beforehand. C'mon, he even bothered to refer to "Sandy" by feminine pronouns while asking what the fuck he was thinking!

There were a lot of tranny rape by deception reveals on Jerry Springer, now that I think about it. Usually post op HSTS, but also a couple pooners that'd fuck women with strap ons in the dark.

Under that logic, we should allow people with Body Integration Identity Disorder to amputate their limbs?

Fun fact: John Ronald Brown, the surgeon that was sentenced to life in prison after chopping off a guy with this condition's leg and leaving him for dead after he developed gangrene, was also an early tranny butcher. (In fact, he was known in that community as “Butcher Brown.) He fled to Tijuana after giving one a deadly case of the Babysoots. In a lot of ways, Brown was the proto Rumer or Crane. Actually, I wouldn't put it past Crane to start offering "body affirming" amputations if he's willing to perform female nullification on top of everything.

There is still hope if that person that had a finger chopped off by a surgeon for this reason a few months back received massive backlash online. Better stay that way.

Fistulissa update.

What's this? Dilation is not the perpetual masturbation-athon he thought it was going to be? It's actually painful to insert a rod into a post-op wound and have it stay there for hours? And now he has to do it for life? And it'll delay healing his fistula on top if it, so he'll have to wear a poop bag for longer? But that's what he chose, because he's much smarter than most doctors and researched what dilation was, right?

...No?

Oh.

Seethe and dilate
 
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Fun fact. The frenulum is right where the surgeon cuts through (for typical penile inversion) and the general area is discarded. His frenulum was turned into carbon by an incinerator six months ago.
I don't know how I missed this when I watched the simulation for this surgery ages ago. The frenulum is supposed to be one of the most sensitive parts and they chop it right off. :story: No wonder these retards can't coom (not that the cock mangling helps).
will it grow back
:optimistic::optimistic::optimistic:
 
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