YABookgate

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

I am seeing Moby Dick and 20000 Leagues under the sea being yaoified by Tumblr as I am writing this. Just...do not ever hope that fujos/spice-lovers have not marred the literally classics - they did, I am sure some published their fanfics, - and they brag about it.

Part of me wants to act as if you hadn't said this and another part wants to look at it, just to see the horror of it.

 

[Henri Barbusse]

what would be a list of kino YA books you'd recommend to parents and educators?

Arthur Ransome is still great.

Now hold on, how the fuck did they genderbend Ender's udefeated OP move of kicking people in the balls if everyone involved is a womab?

Grabbing by the pussy.

 

[Gnillik Yot]

Why do YA stories always veer towards fantasy and mythology rather than sci-fi unless it involves a dystopia or is heavily based around superpowers? It would be so nice for a YA novel to just have lots of cool gadgets and tech and take place in space or on another planet, but that doesn't happen most of the time.

The woman YA that pops to mind when thinking of sci-fi is Iron Widow by the YA twitter boss Xiran Jay Zhao. It was inspired by the anime Darling in the Franxx. Basically a mecha rider world dealing with alien invasion. The sequel comes out later this year and it's being made into a movie.

I haven't actually read Iron Widow though. It does seem like YA sci-fi about giant mecha suits is pretty popular. Gearbreakers is another recent one that fits this trend.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

i sure hope it doesn't get found out through some retarded and half-unprovable source that he was a nonce.

well to finish completely fucking up the thread, sadly his eldest son was a catholic priest who had multiple allegations of sexual abuse against him, and who said in an interview that he himself was sexually abused by some of his father's friends / members of the inklings, although he always refused to say which one/s. The allegations against him are unproveable because the church and family interfered to prevent them being investigated, which the church has since apologised for and the main accuser received a settlement with the acknowledgement that he had enough evidence to have probably won the case if it had gone through.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tolkien_(priest)

 

[Alexander Thaut]

well to finish completely fucking up the thread, sadly his eldest son was a catholic priest who had multiple allegations of sexual abuse against him, and who said in an interview that he himself was sexually abused by some of his father's friends / members of the inklings, although he always refused to say which one/s. The allegations against him are unproveable because the church and family interfered to prevent them being investigated, which the church has since apologised for and the main accuser received a settlement with the acknowledgement that he had enough evidence to have probably won the case if it had gone through.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tolkien_(priest)

okay great, hope it wasn't C.S. Lewis.

 

[JJLiautaud]

okay great, hope it wasn't C.S. Lewis.

I tried to do a physiognomy check but they're all so fucking english looking its tough to tell

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

well to finish completely fucking up the thread, sadly his eldest son was a catholic priest who had multiple allegations of sexual abuse against him, and who said in an interview that he himself was sexually abused by some of his father's friends / members of the inklings, although he always refused to say which one/s. The allegations against him are unproveable because the church and family interfered to prevent them being investigated, which the church has since apologised for and the main accuser received a settlement with the acknowledgement that he had enough evidence to have probably won the case if it had gone through.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tolkien_(priest)

Sounds like David Asimov, Isaac Asimov's son who was subject to the largest CP bust in California history. Thanks to his father he had a lot of links with the SFWA. Did Tolkien ever associate with the SFWA in the last decade or two of his life?

 

[Mola Ram]

Sounds like David Asimov, Isaac Asimov's son who was subject to the largest CP bust in California history. Thanks to his father he had a lot of links with the SFWA. Did Tolkien ever associate with the SFWA in the last decade or two of his life?

Apparently one of the big foundational things they did was make sure he was paid for all the pirated versions of Lord of the Rings that were circulating in America, but I don't know how involved he was with that.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

Sounds like David Asimov, Isaac Asimov's son who was subject to the largest CP bust in California history. Thanks to his father he had a lot of links with the SFWA. Did Tolkien ever associate with the SFWA in the last decade or two of his life?

Nothing comes up saying he did (it really doesn't sound like something he would do anyway), but Father John Tolkein would have been abused in the 20s/30s and SFWA wasn't founded until 1965. Isaac Asimov wasn't born until 1920.

I ended up going into a rabbit hole about this.

I looked into it and the original interview says colleagues of his father, which doesn't narrow it down much (also still includes Lewis), but I went through the list to see who was an inkling and also employed at oxford in the 20s and someone named Nevil Coghill comes up who was a fellow of English Literature and Exeter and Merton College from 1924 - 1957. He married in 1927 but the marriage dissolved in 1933; and in 2012 he was outed in another man's (also posthumous) memoir as having been gay:

Nevill himself was born in 1899, served in the First War, married, fathered a daughter, then separated from his wife and lived a quietly homosexual life thereafter. He later spoke to me of several romances with men, but he apparently never established a residence with any of them; and until his retirement from Oxford, he always lived in his college rooms.

So he would have been working at Oxford from age 25 in 1924; the Inklings meetings started in 1931 when John Tolkein would have been 14 (and considered a child; the teenager hadn't been invented yet), but he and JRR probably would have known each other before that.

The man that outed Coghill, Reynolds Price, was a student at Oxford at the same time as Coghill was teaching there, and was part of 'The Auden Group' with WH Auden, who was also a regular guest of the Inklings (as a student) and was also gay. This social group included other gay oxford students Stephen Spender and Christopher Isherwood, who both mentioned having relationships with 'boys' and much younger men in their poetry even as adult men. Christopher Isherwood's (semi-)autobiography was adapted into the musical film / musical Cabaret and also the Colin Firth film a Single Man (about having an unsuccessful relationship with a much younger man). However Price also had a lifelong friendship with another colleague of JRR's, who also attended the Inklings meetings, Lord David Cecil, who has nothing on record about an interest in men but is noteworthy considering the company he was keeping.

Lord Cecil was the son of the Marquess of Salisbury and Nevill Coghill was the son of Baronet Coghill, so he wouldn't have been able to name them without serious consequences, probably more so than CS Lewis who came from an ordinary middle class background. My guess would be one of them.

 

[Mola Ram]

Lord Cecil

Nevill Coghill

Christopher Isherwood,

Marquess of Salisbury

Reynolds Price

Are we sure these dudes were gay and not just, ya know, excessively English?

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

I also found that another colleague and inkling, Courtenay Edward Stevens, apparently told his pupil Miriam Margoyles (the future actress) during a tutorial that he wanted to be a woman. He was married three times so maybe not dodgy in that way but ... AGP. Who knows.

@Miriam Margoyles

 

[Kari Kamiya]

inspired by the anime Darling in the Franxx

Already a bad sign.

 

[Zemblan Physics]

At least Isherwood was as gay as the day is long, he was fairly early in being open about it in his semiautobiographical novels. He’s a fantastic writer, I particularly love his books from when he’s a grumpy old gay living in Palo Alto hating everyone and everything.

Doubt he was a nonce though. The definition seems to have come to include 16-17 year olds even if the age gap is only a couple of years and by that standard, yeah, maybe, and I wouldn’t care (if it was consensual ofc).

 

[Gnillik Yot]

Already a bad sign.

An article about her just appeared on Nichegamer this morning. Interesting part:

"Unlike other similarly popular authors such as Sarah J Maas or Neil Gaiman, Xiran Jay Zhao is not politically correct, and has strong moral convictions they are vocal about on social media, most prominent in recent years is an anti-war stance and criticism of neo-cons. Xiran also has been critical of book censorship. This has alienated some in the publishing industry, but has earned respect and a large following from readers and anime fans at the grassroot level."

The official X/Twitter account is also praising her.

 

[Conspiracy Mawile]

Taking from said article quoted above:

Iron Widow is even getting a movie which will likely go into production next year.

I foretell said movie will never see the light of day, and we should all be glad about it.

After suffering devastating loss, Zetian finds herself at the seat of power in Huaxia. But her world is not as it seems, and revelations about an enemy more daunting than she imagined forces her to share her power with a dangerous man. Zetian must join this man in a dance of truth and lies to take down their common enemy.
With perilous forces aiming to undermine Zetian at every turn, can she enact positive changes as a fair and just ruler? Or will she be forced to rely on fear and violence and succumb to her darker instincts in her quest for vengeance?

So it's Azula/Kylo Ren fanfic in scifi fantasy China?
Recently finished Cixin Liu's Trisolaris trilogy and now reading a lot of chinese scifi, and I must say most of it is really good and profound. Wonder what these authors think when they come across whatever heavenly tyrant is.
Or is there a huge YA scene in China as well?

 

[Gog & Magog]

Ernest Hemingway was a closet AGP who used to pretend to be a woman called Catherine in bed and make his second wife pretend to be a 'boy' called Peter who would, in his own words, fuck him. Not sure how. He based his novel the Garden of Eden on this, which was never released during his life time, but was started in 1946 and written alongside a lot of his major works including Old Man and the Sea. He then literally 41% himself by shooting himself in the head, and it was published after his death. Also one of his kids transitioned, mtf too.

Fun Fact:
His son, Gregory Hemingway, died inside a jail after being arrested for indecent exposure and resisting arrest.

MIAMI (Reuters) - Gregory Hemingway, whose troubled relationship with his late father, writer Ernest Hemingway, led him to a tormented life of drink and depression, has died in Miami, officials said on Thursday.

It was another sad chapter in the story of the literary lion's family.

Hemingway, 69, died of natural causes in a Miami jail after being arrested for indecent exposure.

He was picked up last Wednesday after walking naked down the street in Key Biscayne, a Miami island community, carrying a pair of black high heels and wearing jewelry, police said.

``He had a difficult life. It's not easy to be the son of a great man,'' Scott Donaldson, president of the Hemingway Society, told Reuters.

Source: Gregory Hemingway, Son of Writer, Dies in Miami

 

[Flexo]

I ended up going into a rabbit hole about this.

This was really good. If you publish it as an article some where let me know, I'd love to share it with others.

(Or maybe see if @Fandom Pulse would put it out)

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Apparently one of the big foundational things they did was make sure he was paid for all the pirated versions of Lord of the Rings that were circulating in America, but I don't know how involved he was with that.

I've never heard this, but maybe? Just seems like the chronology is off. Wollheim published his maybe/maybe not legal in 1965 versions (copyright law was not what it is today) and the SFWA wasn't even organized until February 1965.

Tolkien and Houghton Mifflin were aware of the potential copyright problems that loomed, and by early 1965, they were taking steps to publish a new version which they could copyright in the U.S. In April of 1965, they received word that Ace was about to publish their own version of the trilogy, one that would be priced competitively. At this point, Tolkien had already moved on to other projects, and was reluctant to return to editing The Lord of the Rings, given its length and complexity. In the meantime, Ace released their version of The Fellowship of the Ring in May, with The Two Towers and Return of the King following July of 1965. In August, Tolkien delivered his new revisions to Ballantine Books, the publisher which would release the official American editions. Interestingly, Humphrey Carter, in Tolkien’s official biography, noted that while Tolkien was displeased with the Ace editions, they at least sported covers that resembled their stories; by contrast, Tolkien was distressed at the cover art for the Ballantine editions, to which he noted: “What has it got to do with the story? Where is this place? Why emus? And what is the thing in the foreground with pink bulbs?”

The Unauthorized Lord of the Rings

According to Knight, “[t]he checks rolled in. When I had seventy-eight subscribers, I arbitrarily declared them the charter members of SFWA, drew up a set of by-laws, and held an election.” Knight sent out the list of charter members along with the proposed by-laws and a pamphlet About Anthologies to the newly anointed members on February 28, 1965. (The original document shows seventy-two charter members, not seventy-eight, so a few may have been left off.) What’s amazing about this list is that in a little more than a month after the initial mailing, most of the well-known science fiction writers of the time had signed up.

A Brief History of SFWA: The Beginning (Part 1)

 

[Mola Ram]

I've never heard this, but maybe? Just seems like the chronology is off. Wollheim published his maybe/maybe not legal in 1965 versions (copyright law was not what it is today) and the SFWA wasn't even organized until February 1965.

I'm just repeating what's in the SFWA Wikipedia article; you're the one doing the deep dive. It's entirely possible (and even likely) that SFWA sent around some letters or something and has since decided to take more credit for it than they deserve.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

I'm just repeating what's in the SFWA Wikipedia article; you're the one doing the deep dive. It's entirely possible (and even likely) that SFWA sent around some letters or something and has since decided to take more credit for it than they deserve.

Like I said, it wouldn't surprise me all that much if they'd done something, since there apparently was a boycott of not just the unauthorized LotR but of everything Ace was publishing by bookstores. Ace apparently caved pretty quickly once that started. Maybe SFWA was behind that, dunno.