UN Pope Francis: Intentionally hurting migrants ‘is a grave sin’ - The solution to the migrant crisis, according to the pope, is to extend safe and legal access routes for migrants so that those who are fleeing war, violence, persecution, and natural disasters can find refuge.

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Pope Francis addresses pilgrims gathered in St. Peter’s Square for his general audience on Wednesday, Aug. 28, 2024. | Credit: Vatican Media

Pope Francis said Wednesday those who knowingly and intentionally “repel” migrants are committing a grave sin.

Breaking from the current theme of his general audiences Aug. 28, the pope spoke at length about the poor conditions of migrants who attempt to cross a sea or desert to reach safety but who sometimes lose their lives in the process.

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Pope Francis greets pilgrims gathered in St. Peter’s Square for his general audience on Wednesday, Aug. 28, 2024. Credit: Vatican Media

“The tragedy is that many, the majority of these deaths, could have been prevented,” Francis underlined in his speech to thousands in St. Peter’s Square.

“It must be said clearly: There are those who work systematically and with every means possible to repel migrants,” he said. “And this, when done with awareness and responsibility, is a grave sin.”

Departing from his prepared remarks, the pontiff recalled seeing the heartbreaking viral photo of the wife and child of Pato Crepin, who died in the desert in the summer of 2023 while trying to cross the border into Tunisia on their way to Europe.

Last year, Tunisian authorities were clamping down on irregular immigration by taking people who entered the country to remote areas on the borders with Libya and Algeria.

The country’s leader also signed an agreement with the European Union to receive 1 billion euros (about $1.1 billion) in order to stem the area’s highly profitable business of smuggling people from Tunisia into Europea via the Mediterranean Sea.

“We all remember the photo of the wife and daughter of Pato, dead from hunger, thirst, in the desert,” Pope Francis said. “In the time of satellites and drones, there are migrant men, women, and children that no one must see. They hide them. Only God sees them and hears their cry. This is a cruelty of our civilization.”

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Pope Francis greets pilgrims gathered in St. Peter’s Square for his general audience on Wednesday, Aug. 28, 2024. Credit: Vatican Media

The Missing Migrants Project, run by the International Organization for Migration (IOM), records that since 2014, an estimated 47,000 people have either died or gone missing while attempting to migrate in Africa, Europe, and the Mediterranean areas.

Most deaths were caused by drowning, usually while attempting to cross the Mediterranean Sea in unsafe and overcrowded boating vessels.

In his general audience on Wednesday, Pope Francis also waded into political arguments about immigration and borders.

“We can all agree on one thing: Migrants should not be in those seas and in those lethal deserts,” he said. “But it is not through more restrictive laws, it is not with the militarization of borders, it is not with rejection that we will obtain this result.”

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Pope Francis kisses a baby during his general audience in St. Peter’s Square on Wednesday, Aug. 28, 2024. Credit: Vatican Media

The solution, according to the pope, is to extend safe and legal access routes for migrants so that those who are fleeing war, violence, persecution, and natural disasters can find refuge.

Migrants will stop risking their lives to cross the sea or deserts, he continued, if we promote “a global governance of migration based on justice, fraternity, and solidarity.”

In numerous past statements on refugees and migrants, Pope Francis has asked countries to be as welcoming to immigrants as they are able while also acknowledging their right to control their borders and to determine how many migrants and refugees they can safely integrate into their societies.

Paragraph 2241 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church also affirms that “the more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin.”

“Political authorities,” the catechism continues, “for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants’ duties toward their country of adoption.”

In his Wednesday audience, Pope Francis recalled a lesson from the Book of Exodus: “You shall not wrong a stranger or oppress him.”

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Pope Francis waves to the crowd gathered in St. Peter’s Square for his general audience on Wednesday, Aug. 28, 2024. Credit: Vatican Media

“The orphan, the widow, and the stranger are the quintessential poor whom God always defends and asks to be defended,” he emphasized.

“There is a Psalm which says to the Lord: ‘Thy way was through the sea / Thy path through the great waters’ (Ps 77:19). And another says that he ‘led his people through the wilderness / for his steadfast love endures forever’ (Ps 136:16),” the pope quoted.

“These holy words tell us that, to accompany the people on their journey to freedom, God himself crosses the sea and the desert,” Pope Francis said. “[God] does not remain at a distance, no; he shares in the migrants’ tragedy, God is there with them, with the migrants, he suffers with them, with the migrants, he weeps and hopes with them, with the migrants.”

The pontiff said that while most of us are unable to be on the front lines with the courageous people who, acting as good Samaritans, “do their utmost to rescue and save injured and abandoned migrants on the routes of desperate hope,” there are still ways to help — “first and foremost, prayer.”

“And I ask you: Do you pray for migrants, for those who come to our lands to save their lives?” he said.

He also urged cooperation to combat human trafficking and the criminal traffickers who “mercilessly exploit the misery of others” for money.

“Let us join our hearts and forces so that the seas and deserts are not cemeteries but spaces where God may open up roads to freedom and fraternity,” he said.

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I get the joke but can you understand that its very frustrating to see a gaggle of retards slandering your religious beliefs because they are too fucking stupid to even try and understand what's actually going on?
Well not my religious beliefs, as I don't have those. But dealing with people who think they know how you think better than you do based on their own preconceptions is a constant source of frustration with A&N queers. You'll have to get used to it.
 
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Of course, intentional violence towards someone else, with no just reason or without efforts to prevent escalation to that level, is a grave sin.

I'm guessing this chastisement of those countries excludes the Vatican and its assets though.

This the first Pope I can think of where you really get this sense of arrogant hypocrisy and preaching down from the lofty heights because he's so wonderful and knows better than you. He's truly the Obama of Popes in a lot of ways.
They got rid of Pope Benedict for this globalist faggot.
 
For one, if none of the migrants you're upset about are fleeing war, violence, or any of the other things the Pope listed, then you're talking about two different types of migrant
The majority of our "refugees" are fighting age males. So they may be fleeing a war but often it's because they were one side of it and lost. Contrary to endless reinforcement from Hollywood movies, being the underdog or loser doesn't make you the Good Guy in any given narrative.

Furthermore, fleeing is fleeing from something. In most cases these people seem more interested in going to somewhere. Specific examples being all those supposedly fleeing who having reached a safe country, continue migrating to their country of choice such as the many boats of people setting off from France to Britain because they perceive Britain as having better benefits. A few weeks back a woman's daughter drowned in the crossing (because the majority of refugees on the boat were men and refused to stop to recover her) and the mother declared she would try again because she wanted to be in Britain, not France. This is routine.
Then guess what retard, the Pope wasn't talking about those migrants. Only the ones fleeing the things he listed.

How is that hard to understand?
It's not. But it's not due to lack of understand that people are rejecting what you say. It's because the position is used to justify a default of let someone in. People don't want that default come on in attitude because they can see how bad things have gotten from it.

A better message to help genuine people suffering from war would be to fund refugees in countries of origin and / or stop supplying weapons to people oppressing them and overthrowing governments leading to increased disorder, such as when we bombed the Hell out of Libya. Of which the Vatican said his assassination was "the end of a brutal and oppressive regime". and recognised the Transitional National Council (a bunch of Western-backed thugs) the legitimate representative of the Libyan people. The destruction of Libya is one of the biggest causes of refugees to Europe this century.

People understand the Pope's No True Scotsman get out clause. They just don't regard it as offsetting the Pope wading in on the side of more migration.
 
I think the real problem is people expect the Pope to act in an unrealistic way.
Of which the Vatican said his assassination was "the end of a brutal and oppressive regime".
Gaddafi had imposed Sharia Law on his people. From the perspective of the leader of the Catholic Church that is brutal and oppressive. Based on my understanding of Sharia Law and the things that happened in Libya I would agree.
They just don't regard it as offsetting the Pope wading in on the side of more migration.
I want to be clear that I am not in favor of mass migration, but I understand why it looks like the Pope is, and I think this meme illustrates the point better than I can,

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I can say from my own experiences this is accurate. People expect the Church to be more like the first part, but the reality is the second part which is theologically consistent with Catholic doctrine.

One complaint I did see is that the Pope didnt also condemn that the actions of migrants (rape, murder, theft, etc) but that would be like reminding everyone the sky is blue. Obviously these things are wrong, they not only violate doctrines specific to Catholicism, they also violate the 10 Commandments. Ironically the people accusing the Pope of virtue signalling over refugees are often the same people who are disappointed he didnt virtue signal by stating that obviously bad things are obviously bad.
 
People don't trust Francis because he cannot be bothered to virtue signal about migrants doing bad things, yes.

This is actually not inconsistent. If you can virtue signal about one thing, you can virtue signal about the other. If you do not, there is an understandable assumption that it's for a reason.

It's like someone who claims to be a centrist but only ever seems to get upset at right-wing opinions. After a point some who have pattern recognition are not going to believe claims of neutrality.
 
what is so objectionable about advocating for safe and LEGAL methods for legitimate migrants that are actually fleeing war, violence, persecution, and natural disasters?
I’m assuming you’re asking a genuine question, so here’s a genuine answer. It’s only possible to differentiate if we accept NO economic migrants at all.
We had such methods and we still do. It’s not like they don’t exist. Half of Syria ended up in Europe, the Uk government asked people to open their houses to Ukrainians.

Then what happened? Those legal methods got abused - they were used by NGOs, people smugglers and our OWN governments as a weapon against us. We are now flooded not with yazidi women fleeing rape or South African farmers fleeing death, but with economic migrants, expelled criminals, organised crime, sleeper agents, and the detritus of the third world. They are not here fleeing war. They are here at best for money and at worst to ruin our societies. they are a biological weapon.

They are given asylum and then they go home for holidays! The guy who brought the first monkey pox case to Sweden was a refugee from Congo who went back to Congo for a holiday. The man who stabbed three young girls in Southport was a second gen Rwandan whose family took him back to Rwanda on holiday. These people are not fleeing war and death they are economic migrants.

Francis is taking the easy way here. Should people be compassionate to those genuinely fleeing war and horrors? Yes they should. But each country can only take so many. When the country is safe again they should go home, and not a single economic scrounger should be allowed in. How does he propose to differentiate? We used to do things like have outreach in camps to vet people and offer asylum to families. Now we just let boats full of young men with iPhones in who then disappear into the black economy, or claim benefits we can’t afford, or rape, or stab. It’s very easy to tell people to be compassionate when you live in a walled palace with your own army and have no actual standby refugees there at all.
 
Francis is taking the easy way here. Should people be compassionate to those genuinely fleeing war and horrors? Yes they should.
That's really all a religious figure can do. I get the argument about "well there's no refugees in Vatican City" but Vatican City is very small, very old, and very full of stuff already. Literally where would he put them?

Furthermore he doesn't have the authority to actually decide whether migrants are allowed or the policies by which they are screened.
If you can virtue signal about one thing, you can virtue signal about the other
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but Vatican City is very small, very old, and very full of stuff already. Literally where would he put them?
So is England. Very old. Very full of stuff. We have nowhere to put them. Half the hotel rooms in the entire country have been used for them, wrecking the economy of entire counties dependent on tourism. Notre Dane was old and full of stuff, and the suspicion is it was deliberately burned down by the cultural enrichment. There are billions of poor - we cannot help them all by bringing them here. We help them by stabilising the world, and helping them grow their own economies to meet us . By making the world better. Not by bringing them all into our house. If we do that our house is wrecked, we are ruined and nobody ends up helped at all.
Furthermore he doesn't have the authority to actually decide whether migrants are allowed or the policies by which they are screened.
Neither does he have the authority to demand they get admitted but he’s still pontificating on it.
The absolute best thing anyone could do for genuine refugees is stop the economic ones. Very few people have an issue with a small number of grateful people being given temporary asylum. When their country is overwhelmed with economic welfare migrants they lose all sympathy for all migrants, refugees included. The flood of welfare migrants actively harms refugees, because we have all had enough and tar them all with the same brush.
 
I get the joke but can you understand that its very frustrating to see a gaggle of retards slandering your religious beliefs because they are too fucking stupid to even try and understand what's actually going on?
Your account is from 2022, you should know how things are around here.

The problem is, you are too caring. And we are too fed up. All the stupid faggots we have to deal with are lying to get here.
That's why people are disagreeing with you.
 
The problem is, you are too caring.
If that is my problem then it is one I am happy to have. Some would say the same of Christ.

I'll try not to go full crusade again, but no promises.

What now, @Preacher ✝ ?
>Deuteronomy

In context that passage is specifically about the Hebrew people and its one of the many things from the Old Testament that is valuable for its historical significance but no longer practical in light of the New Testament by which all people should profess Christ as Lord and we are on mission to spread the word of Christ to the entire world.
 
I miss based popes in armor and swords
Praise be to Pope Leo XXI of the New Avalon Catholic Church and his solid gold Regent he uses to smite those godless Kuritan scum and liberate good Christian men of all denominations from their weeaboo tyrants.
 
I hope that Francis will one day wisely choose to abdicate in light of everything.
I do not think he is ready for the times he is living in.
 
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In context that passage is specifically about the Hebrew people and its one of the many things from the Old Testament that is valuable for its historical significance but no longer practical in light of the New Testament by which all people should profess Christ as Lord and we are on mission to spread the word of Christ to the entire world.
In context spreading the word of Christ does not entail flooding your country with foreigners who don't share in the belief of Christ, or destroying Christian nations until they are a minority in their host nations. Maybe that's why so few will ever enter the kingdom of Heaven, including Christians who allow Christianity to be undermined. The false prophets and wolves in sheep's clothing.
 
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