US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Sekirodiealot]

Recall that Hillary’s strategy in 2016 was to do anything possible to run out the clock. Hillary’s campaign staff even admitted as such in interviews.

That explains why Kamala's copying her and biden. In biden's case, the voting rules were changed, mail in ballots and strong anti-trump sentiments were a huge factor and Biden's victory

 

[BigGuyOS 6 : Jovial Janny]

I suspect you are black.

Half right, I'm a zoomer.

 

[Not A Bunny]

Apropos of nothing in this thread: I don't even like Trump, but I want him to win at this point so maybe this country has to come to grips with the notion that the media and government can't be trusted. And the media has to come to grips with the fact that they can't control people anymore.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

I cannot believe you people have been talking about Captain Planet and no one has brought up the episode where a villain tries to make money by time traveling to WW2 and then sell a nuke to HITLER.

This actually happened.

I can't find it on youtube but here is a link to some nigga's google drive upload of it.

Highlights:

- Nuke is made out of stolen russian nuclear material

- Villain has a literal auction with a bunch of dictators from WW2 somewhere in south France (feat. totally not Franco and absolutely not Mussolini)

- HULK HOGAN STYLE HANDLEBAR MUSTACHE HITLER

 

[The Ugly One]

It continues to be amazing (and sad, from the Kamala Stan POV) that Trump fans show their dedication on their cars, even in the lowest-effort fashion:

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I still haven't heard of any Kamala fans doing the same for their cars, assuming if they even own one.

There were no Biden stickers in 2020, yet he ended up being the most popular candidate in American history.

 

[Kankichi Ryotsu]

There were no Biden stickers in 2020, yet he ended up being the most popular candidate in American history.

This is true, don't take these things too seriously. It doesn't matter if Kamala has a lot of stickers or if she can't get that many people for her rallies if they all vote blue in November, even if it's not enthusiastically. Trump and his team shouldn't relax regardless.

 

[invisibult plus+]

This is true, don't take these things too seriously. It doesn't matter if Kamala has a lot of stickers or if she can't get that many people for her rallies if they all vote blue in November, even if it's not enthusiastically. Trump and his team shouldn't relax regardless.

Not even. They’ll just invent votes.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I cannot believe you people have been talking about Captain Planet and no one has brought up the episode where a villain tries to make money by time traveling to WW2 and then sell a nuke to HITLER.

This actually happened.

I can't find it on youtube but here is a link to some nigga's google drive upload of it.

Highlights:

- Nuke is made out of stolen russian nuclear material

- Villain has a literal auction with a bunch of dictators from WW2 somewhere in south France (feat. totally not Franco and absolutely not Mussolini)

- HULK HOGAN STYLE HANDLEBAR MUSTACHE HITLER

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We did bring up Hitler as his kryptonite.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I finally saw 2 Kamala yard signs. Two. This is in an area that absolutely will go blue no matter who.

One is a house I already knew was owned by a nutcase, I have to drive by it frequently and they always have unhinged shit up during elections. They have lifesize Tim Kaine Walz and Shillary Kamala figures on either side of their front door. Hilarious thing is that the Kamala one is to scale, but they have her standing up on a birdbath or something, so she's even height as Tim.

(Their life size Biden was peering out from a hedge in 2020, jumpscared me more than once.)

The other house had one similar to this:

Maybe but I’ve seen this applied to many people who would be perfectly fine parents.

That's my issue too. It's very shortsighted. "Ugh this five year old sucks at math, good thing he doesn't want to be an engineer when he grows up" is a shitty, defeatist attitude, and it's the same problem in both cases- math is something a five year old is meant to learn over the next decade or so, and parenting is something no one feels great or competent at on day one, but that most people can do well enough if they earnestly try. Encouraging people to quit worthwhile things before they have even started, to stay immature and inexperienced and not do things that would cause them to learn and grow, is just shitty nihilism and guarantees societal collapse.

 

[clipartfan92]

It is a bad idea to put a bumper sticker on your car no matter what. Don't give strangers any reasons to fuck with something you leave outside unattended.

My father was a paranoid man and taught me that putting bumper stickers on your car can also influence any interactions with law enforcement. You want to give them a blank slate to work with when approaching your car. They're already judging you on the physical upkeep of your car (both interior and exterior) and your personal appearance, don't give them any ideological reasons to start the encounter off on a bad foot. Discretion on whether to write someone a ticket or give a verbal warning could hinge on whether they support the sticker you've got on your car.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

My father was a paranoid man with and taught me that putting bumper stickers on your car can also influence any interactions with law enforcement. You want to give them a blank slate to work with when approaching your car. They're already judging you on the physical upkeep of your car (both interior and exterior) and your personal appearance, don't give them any ideological reasons to start the encounter off on a bad foot. Discretion on whether to write someone a ticket or give a verbal warning could hinge on whether they support the sticker you've got on your car.

I heard some advice once which went something to the effect of, "bumper stickers make you a target".

 

[invisibult plus+]

That's my issue too. It's very shortsighted. "Ugh this five year old sucks at math, good thing he doesn't want to be an engineer when he grows up" is a shitty, defeatist attitude, and it's the same problem in both cases- math is something a five year old is meant to learn over the next decade or so, and parenting is something no one feels great or competent at on day one, but that most people can do well enough if they earnestly try. Encouraging people to quit worthwhile things before they have even started, to stay immature and inexperienced and not do things that would cause them to learn and grow, is just shitty nihilism and guarantees societal collapse.

It's a form of taught learned helplessness. By discouraging people from doing things they need or even want to do, they're less likely to do anything about problems. Ones they can solve, and especially ones that come to their doorsteps. It guarantees societal collapse because it makes it less likely that anyone would step up and stop it.

 

[Thiletonomics]

I finally saw 2 Kamala yard signs. Two. This is in an area that absolutely will go blue no matter who.

One is a house I already knew was owned by a nutcase, I have to drive by it frequently and they always have unhinged shit up during elections. They have lifesize Tim Kaine Walz and Shillary Kamala figures on either side of their front door. Hilarious thing is that the Kamala one is to scale, but they have her standing up on a birdbath or something, so she's even height as Tim.

(Their life size Biden was peering out from a hedge in 2020, jumpscared me more than once.)

The other house had one similar to this:

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Someone else also made a Cat Ladies for Kamala bumper sticker in similar fashion:

 

[vanilla_pepsi_head]

So apparently Kamala cars are a thing, but they're still extremely rare, and are the lowest-effort compared to Trump ones, and feel forced and cringy:

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The reddit logo in that Harris poster explains it all.

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And even the Kamala bumper stickers are rip-offs of the Trump logo stylization:

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It's surprising that the Harris/Walz campaign didn't use the "Obviously" slogan. And when did the Harris campaign use the "We Are Not Going Back" slogan?

I don't see a single "Coexist" sticker anywhere. Not sure if liberals realized their dogma became inconsistent with that sentiment around the time they started advocating for "anti-vaxers" to be rounded up and thrown in camps, or if this is some kind of Fake News. Either way I'm glad I know who to vote for now, speaking as someone who derives their worldview from graffiti on 2004 Ford Focuses of indeterminate ownership.

 

[invisibult plus+]

I don't see a single "Coexist" sticker anywhere. Not sure if liberals realized their dogma became inconsistent with that sentiment around the time they started advocating for "anti-vaxers" to be rounded up and thrown in camps, or if this is some kind of Fake News. Either way I'm glad I know who to vote for now, speaking as someone who derives their worldview from graffiti on 2004 Ford Focuses of indeterminate ownership.

I still do, occasionally. I see "In this house, we believe..." signs more often. It just... doesn't seem like there's a point. To show where you stand on certain things? To get people who think like you to come to you? Maybe I understand it less because I make a point to not powerlevel IRL.

 

[Clem Fandango]

I dunno, I'm not really feeling the whole "proud cat ladies" thing.

Like, sure you can try to own it. But it seems like people who have sex with manakins trying to own that. Being proud of your embarrassing label and "embracing it" doesn't make you less of an embarrassment.

 

[Historical Strelkov]

I thought it was over a month ago.
Side note, I'm a Pepsi person, and the Frutiger Aero version of their logo was the best version.
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Do not listen to these Frutiger era types, whose entire mindset depends on being Baja blasted with computerized graphics. This basket of shiny, glossy deplorables can barely look themselves in the mirror without it exploding into crystals of bad breath shattering minty flavor, like five gum. My friends, my fellow Americans. Let me be crystal pepsi clear. Let me take you back to a time of simple delicious, Wrigleys fruit flavors and hubba bubba that didn't need complex shading and gloss to get your attention.
The greatest time for American logo design was the mid-late 60s into the 1970s and early 80s. It was a time of American exceptionalism and ingenuity. We made it through the assassination of JFK and RFK. We made it through Carter to Reagan, where it was morning in america again. Where Corn flakes boxes looked like they contained food and not skibidi toilet fortnite memes. We can have that time again. We can have that high contrast, simple but effective design.

MAKE LOGOS GREAT AGAIN
MAKE INGREDIENTS GREAT AGAIN
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

 

[ducktales4gameboy]

In 2020 the Biden/Harris signs were everywhere this time of the year. In 2024 the only signs I'm seeing up are for a specific local proposition, and I've noticed people openly watching Vance speeches in public and spot a Trump sticker on a car every day or two. Weird times.

@Null pls host live debate viewing party for kiwi frens

This needs to happen instead of the thread growing 200 pages in livechat comments that nobody will ever read. We should just hijack the cytube channel or just make another room there if they're using it for something.

 

[clipartfan92]

You seriously don't hate them enough. They rate it mostly false because CA already prohibits voter ID at the polls.




A new California bill won’t eliminate voter ID at polling places
PolitiFact (archive.ph)
By Sofia Ahmed
2024-08-30

Spoiler

If Your Time is short

• Already, California law says that the majority of voters are not required to provide ID when voting in person.
• S.B. 1174 prohibits local governments from requiring voter ID at polling places. It was drafted in response to a Huntington Beach, California, law that conflicted with state law and would require voters to show ID at polling places in 2026.
• All people must provide proof of identity when they register to vote in California. Falsifying voter registration information is a felony punishable by up to three years in prison.

See the sources for this fact-check

Voter ID remains a contentious topic in U.S. elections, and a new California bill related to the practice has become the target of misinformation.

"SB 1174 was just passed in California, and it opens the door for illegal immigrants to vote by eliminating the requirement for voter ID at polling places," read a screenshot of an X post shared on Instagram.


The Instagram post was flagged as part of Meta’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Meta, which owns Facebook and Instagram.) We also saw a Facebook post that said the bill would "ban voter ID statewide."

These claims are misleading and lack context about California’s current voter ID laws.

Senate Bill 1174 prohibits local governments from requiring voter ID at polling places, but existing state law already says that, in most cases, California voters needn’t show ID before voting at the polls. The Legislature passed the bill in August, and it awaits Gov. Gavin Newsom’s approval.

The bill was drafted in response to Huntington Beach, California, passing a measure that would supersede California state law and require voters to present their ID at the city’s polls.

By state law, however, California voters need to show ID to polling place workers only if they are voting for the first time after registering to vote by mail and did not provide a valid form of ID on their registration form, a California secretary of state spokesperson said in an email.

S.B. 1174 would block Huntington Beach’s voter ID requirement, which is to take effect in 2026.

"If enacted into law, SB 1774 will reduce potential voter confusion that could result from having local election procedures in place that conflict with state law," said Kim Alexander, president of the voting rights nonprofit California Voter Foundation.

Voter ID is hotly debated in U.S. politics. Opponents say tighter laws make voting less accessible, especially for minorities, young people, low-income voters and people with disabilities. Proponents of tighter rules say requiring voter ID can prevent fraud.

Only U.S. citizens can vote in federal elections; Congress banned noncitizen voting in 1996. Noncitizens rarely cast ballots. Those who do face stiff penalties including deportation.

In April, California officials sued Huntington Beach, saying its new voter ID policy conflicts with state law and would create barriers for low-income, nonwhite, young, elderly and disabled voters.

State Sen. Dave Min, D-Calif., who authored S.B. 1774, said April 2 that California "already has robust identification procedures to register to vote."

All people who register to vote in California must sign a notice, under penalty of perjury, that states they are U.S. citizens, a California secretary of state spokesperson said. Voter registrations are then verified with the Department of Motor Vehicles’ driver's license databases and Social Security Administration information. Applicants whose information is not verified must show their IDs at the polls the first time they vote.

Providing false voter information is a felony punishable by up to three years in prison. Voter fraud does occur in California elections, but is rare. For example, there were eight documented cases of voter fraud in California in the 2020 election, according to data from The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.

The majority of California voters do not vote in person. Eighty-nine percent of voters in the 2024 presidential primary election voted by mail and federal law mandates that all first-time voters must show ID when requesting mail ballots.


Our ruling

An Instagram post said S.B. 1174 would eliminate voter ID requirements at polling places in California. A similar one on Faceook said it would "ban voter ID statewide."

S.B. 1174 prohibits local governments from requiring voter ID at polling places, but existing state law already says that in most cases, California voters don’t need to show ID before voting at the polls. The bill was drafted in response to a Huntington Beach bill that conflicts with state law and requires voters to show ID at polling places in 2026.

All California voters must validate their identities through a multistep process when registering to vote. Falsifying voter registration information is a felony punishable by up to three years in prison. There have been instances of voter fraud in California elections, but they are rare.

The statement contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. We rate it Mostly False.

PolitiFact Senior Correspondent Amy Sherman contributed to this report.

 

[Irene and 22 others]

And the media has to come to grips with the fact that they can't control people anymore.

At this point, I don't believe that the media does any longer, at least not as much as it did in the past. The viewer base of the legacy media is slowly dying out and younger generations don't trust them and never grew up in a time where the media was respected (which may be more of an indication of how much more effective they were at control than having anything to do with being deserving of respect) to the degree it was prior to the past two to three decades. Meanwhile technology has made it easier than ever before for any random schlub to become a part of the free press and start reporting on any number of topics to the entire world. It's not the same random schlub each time, but any bystander with a smart phone and a Twitter account can break news before major news networks are even aware something is happening.

They still do have some influence, but it won't increase as time goes by. People no longer need to watch the evening news to catch highlights of events when they can go online and watch a recording of the event on demand, which also has the added benefit of not having to listen to some insufferable prick telling you what to think or how to feel about it. This won't create a magical world where people can't be controlled, but it does decentralize the apparatus by which control can be exerted. The founding fathers just wanted everyone to have the right to distribute their own message and for a time the prevailing technology advantaged large media conglomerates over individuals, but that's no longer the case.

If the media were any good, people wouldn't have abandoned them for alternatives. They took their customers for granted and become propaganda outlets for governments and large corporations because they believed that people had no other alternatives. But now people do have alternatives and they freely choose them.