Debate Ishtar on ethics of school shootings, fathers, CPS

[Justsomecicada]

he's not a tranny, not an incel, doesn't appear to be driven by 4chan.
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What’s the implication here? That if he was one of those things he suddenly would be considered at fault?

 

[Ishtar]

He's not some pigeon holed archetype.

There are millions of little boys like him who suffer terribly under unsympathetic school systems, indifferent parents, callous peers, and nothing in life of value. Some do this, other commit suicide, others become drug or porn addicts.

Some OD.

What this boy did was wrong, and he has thrown his life away. But he did not act in a vacuum.

He was not a degenerate.

Showing compassion to angry lost teenagers is apparently a contrarian opinion, on a site where people discuss discord groomers preying on the same demographic. Just mindblowing.

 

[Verdun_Salient]

He's not some pigeon holed archetype.

There are millions of little boys like him who suffer terribly under unsympathetic school systems, indifferent parents, callous peers, and nothing in life of value. Some do this, other commit suicide, others become drug or porn addicts.

Some OD.

What this boy did was wrong, and he has thrown his life away. But he did not act in a vacuum.

He was not a degenerate.

Showing compassion to angry lost teenagers is apparently a contrarian opinion, on a site where people discuss discord groomers preying on the same demographic. Just mindblowing.

Most don't shoot up schools though and kill special needs students.
I can understand what affected him, but people have gone through similar without deciding to kill innoceny people

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

I was angry and I felt ignored. (And was bullied)

I can’t possibly fathom why.

Also welcome to the pink triangle club.

Showing compassion to angry lost teenagers is apparently a contrarian opinion, on a site where people discuss discord groomers preying on the same demographic. Just mindblowing

Because we all know that you wouldn’t pull this excuse if the shooter were any other race. Your compassion is disingenuous and biased. You remind me of those sicko trannies who defended Aubrey Hale’s actions because she was a fellow pooner.

The increasing normalization of defending violence commited by minors because they were “troubled” is so disgusting.

 

[Ishtar]

Most don't shoot up schools though and kill special needs students

True, they just end up in and out of prison, die at 30 from fentanyl overdoses, or drift through life and die before 45 of alcoholism or obesity or some other ailment.

If he had not shot up a school, given this boy's life his trajectory was basically already doomed short of a radical intervention.

Nothing about this had to happen, and it is a cascade of failures from the state down to his druggie mother that lead to this.

Also fourteen year olds are not adults, fourteen year old boys especially-their brains have not matured, especially the pre frontal cortex-where decision making and long term planning occur.

 

[Justsomecicada]

He's not some pigeon holed archetype.

There are millions of little boys like him who suffer terribly under unsympathetic school systems, indifferent parents, callous peers, and nothing in life of value. Some do this, other commit suicide, others become drug or porn addicts.

Some OD.

What this boy did was wrong, and he has thrown his life away. But he did not act in a vacuum.

He was not a degenerate.

Showing compassion to angry lost teenagers is apparently a contrarian opinion, on a site where people discuss discord groomers preying on the same demographic. Just mindblowing.

This Angry lost teenager who SHOT UP A FUCKING SCHOOl, that tends to make people not feel compassionate.
Holy fuck your dense

 

[Ishtar]

This Angry lost teenager who SHOT UP A FUCKING SCHOOl, that tends to make people not feel compassionate.
Holy fuck your dense

If people would look past their immediate anger, and see the broader picture, they would think differently.

The shooting up the school is just the finale in a long chain of tragedies. Cut the chain at any point and the end doesn't happen.

Its really not that complicated.

 

[Justsomecicada]

The shooting up the school is just the finale in a long chain of tragedies. Cut the chain at any point and the end doesn't happen.

Its really not that complicated.

most of the thread agrees with you there, it’s just your “broader picture” apparently leads you to think someone like this can ultimately be rehabilitated

No one cares if you were starving, raped by your parents everyday, dog died, ignored by adults whatever the fuck, you do not take it out on random strangers much less by fucking killing them

 

[Ishtar]

He could have been at any time before the shooting. Take him from his parents, give him to an aunt or families looking to adopt, put him through therapy(as much as I hate therapy), whatever.

Not even the school which knew he had made threats bothered to do anything-no teacher, or member of the administrative staff said anything, though they had to know mommy was a fentanyl addict and there had been domestic abuse apparently(with the mother apparently being in the wrong-given the aunt wasn't siding with her sister).

They just ignored him and apparently hoped nothing would come of it-apparently he skipped school regularly. Usually schools are supposed to investigate instances of regular truancy.

I'm not arguing he should be let loose or given a statue, I am arguing that this boy was failed by society and his actions were apparently the only way he could get anyone to care.

I am speaking from compassion, kindness, and love for the downtrodden.

Not spite, and not malice, or even contrarianism and for that I get dogpiled and given the pink triangle.

 

[Justsomecicada]

I'm not arguing he should be let loose or given a statue, I am arguing that this boy was failed by society and his actions were apparently the only way he could get anyone to care.

“Except for last night when I said he should be let out when he turns 35”

 

[Ishtar]

In an ideal world yes. We don't live in an ideal world, and I am not a state or federal judge. Imaginary hypotheticals seem a bit hard for you to grasp.

I also said "twenty years hard labor"-send him to an oil rig or to pick tobacco or dig ditches for his entire youth. I think that's punishment enough for a fourteen year old(in an ideal world).

 

[A Grey Cat]

Look there's two sides to every story and this is both a case of "failed system that failed both the victims and the villian." The boys shitty upbringing and life however are no excuse for what he did, and the 4 dead kids are a loss no parent should ever endure.

Just another sad and manic week in what claims to be the last free country on earth.

Edit i don't usually belive conspiracies but usnt it interesting if not suspicious this happens less than a week after Audrey hales diary goes public?

 

[Ishtar]

Two dead kids, and two adults.

Perhaps it would be kinder if he got the death penalty now, as opposed to the rest of his life in state penitentiary.

They won't give a fourteen-year-old the death penalty, but that seems to be the most practical form of justice. Would sate everyone's bloodlust and save this boy a miserable seventy years behind bars.

But unlike everyone else in this thread, I have compassion for lost youth. And for that I get formally ostracized. Really does say something doesn't it.

 

[Lords Greatsword]

Edit i don't usually belive conspiracies but usnt it interesting if not suspicious this happens less than a week after Audrey hales diary goes public?

Eh, even if you entertain it from that angle, I would sooner chalk that up to the copycat phenomenon rather than some kind of deliberate timing and planning from glow-ops.

 

[Ishtar]

No one cares if you were starving, raped by your parents everyday, dog died, ignored by adults whatever the fuck, you do not take it out on random strangers much less by fucking killing them

No...but they should.

Taking it out on random strangers as opposed to what? Suicide? Silent endurance? What do you expect suffering people to do? In a society that spits on them every day? If you brutalize these people, they will strike back.

And then you use that as an excuse to put them down, rather than not brutalizing them.

The lack of empathy in this post is appalling.

 

[umami's milk]

2 many worldviews shattered.... kiwi forums cannot compute....

 

[Ishtar]

It confirms my belief this site is composed mostly of normies that want an acceptable vehicle to vent their personal sadism they don't get to express in RL.

 

[Amin Yasister]

He's not some pigeon holed archetype.

There are millions of little boys like him who suffer terribly under unsympathetic school systems, indifferent parents, callous peers, and nothing in life of value. Some do this, other commit suicide, others become drug or porn addicts.

Some OD.

What this boy did was wrong, and he has thrown his life away. But he did not act in a vacuum.

He was not a degenerate.

And the hugh majority go to live on as normal members of society.

Normal.

 

[Ishtar]

And the hugh majority go to live on as normal members of society.

Normal.

Actually they don't. Boys in his circumstance, rarely become success stories. They end up in prison or at best working warehouse or minimum wage jobs until an early grave.

That is, if they make it to 30 anyway.

The best this boy could have hoped for if he sucked it up and gave minimal effort to pass would be working at Walmart, never marrying and drinking or drugging himself every night. And in all likelihood he was headed for a bad end.

Which again, is why someone somewhere should have intervened more decisively.

 

[Stinks Abandoned Daughter]

Was the dad just working two jobs or indifferent? I'd be curious to know how involved(if at all) he was in his son's life.

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