The notorious serial killers of the '80s, like Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, and John Wayne Gacy, seem to have faded into history, which raises the question: what has changed?
They haven’t disappeared — they’ve simply moved to a new playground: the internet, where they operate openly on major platforms. Once you know how to spot them, you start to see them everywhere.
Messages like this are all over the “monkey hate” communities, which are all over the major platforms such as YouTube, Facebook, etc. Usually people progress from finding their community on YouTube and eventually shift to Telegram for more brutal content:
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The Rise of Torture Communities Online
It all starts with an abused animal on YouTube. The most common of which is the baby Macaque monkey, known to be the most human-like animal in its appearance there is, particularly when it’s young. There are thousands of these videos on YouTube, mistreated monkeys has become an entire industry in itself. Let’s take this video for example, which shows a monkey which is kept in bad conditions on a very short leash so that it can’t sit down. Although the video is distasteful, what really stands out are the comments, and the positive engagement they get.
Many people brazenly post using their real identities:
With this one if click on her profile it takes you to her onlyfans account:
This is just a random example from thousands; it is average, neither particularly good nor bad compared to the others.
Browsing monkey abuse videos on YouTube reveals the same users repeatedly posting comments and obsessively updating playlists with the most disturbing moments. And many of them spend thousands of hours compiling playlists which they obsessively update of the worst moments in the monkey abuse videos, frequently interlaced with human baby kids having accidents and falling over and things, or finding the most revealing moments in the videos of kids. Those too are everywhere, here’s one example.
These communities are alarmingly easy to find — just search for their code words like 'million tears,' 'monkey accident,' or 'hurt monkey' on platforms like YouTube or Facebook.
Obsessive and disturbing behaviors
If you take the time to go through some of these channels, you see that people compulsively compile their playlists multiple times a week, and if one person mentions that they have a video which they haven’t seen yet they immediately begin asking for it, often offering to trade videos etc. They are the most active YouTube group I’ve seen, logging in daily to post comments and engage with the community.
They also show signs of exhibitionism, constantly commenting on the videos day after day, and reacting with defensive diatribes about how they have the right to do this if anyone calls them out on it. There is an excellent explanation of all this here. I strongly recommend this video, the creator spent months researching this topic and deep dives into how it all works and the psychology of the participants, and he backs his findings up with scientific data.
These mildly abused monkey videos on YouTube act as an advertisement. Over time they tend to exchange details with the creator of the video, and after that start to order custom content of the monkeys being tortured in ways that devise. The going rate is $200 per monkey, which is a 10x return on their investment, because the monkey costs about $20 in Indonesia.
For anyone who has doubt, this topic has been covered by the BBC and the people involved in that network in the USA, UK, and Indonesia have been arrested. However, it’s a growing issue and most of the criminals are continuing freely, in part due to lack of awareness.
When I found out about and the severity of the problem - and the scale of the animal torture industry - it derailed me. My first reaction was disbelief, then during several days of investigation I started to piece together an understanding of these individuals.
The psychology and motivations behind zoosadism
The people involved in these communities are predominantly zoosadists, people who find sadism toward animals arousing. Research indicates a significant overlap between zoosadism and pedophilia. A study from the Department of National Forensic Services, St. Olavs Hospital, Norway, titled “Is There a Link between Zoophilia and Pedophilia?” provides the following findings:
For more evidence supporting these points, see the collection of research documents here and here.
But even without the studies common sense will tell you the same since when given the choice of animal, the baby Macaque monkey is consistently chosen as the victim, which also has the highest resemblance to a human. Only when monkeys are not commonly available are other animach as kittens chosen.
Here’s a fairly typical journey for one of these people:
And here’s a fairly typical rant, that they’ll use to justify it. If this is your first time seeing anything like this it’ll look horrific, but this is the general standard amongst these people once you start reading it.
This woman, Isabella, had previously appeared on the show Dr. Phil. You can read about her here
She discusses her enthusiasm for monkey torture openly:
The profiles of the perpetrators
In short, there are people with sadistic tendencies and the other pathologies tend to overlap. They all have their own niches and nuances within that, but that’s not particularly important. They are generally interested in the same kinds of content, and it crosses species. That’s how we’ve reached the point of them crowdfunding production of new videos, and the more affluent among them ordering custom content for their own specific kinks.
Since these people often post with their real identity, when you go to take a look at who is behind it, it’s similar to the profiles of the people in the BBC documentary on this topic. Frequently Western, middle aged or older women commissioning the custom animal abuse, and men carrying it out. But you get all types involved in this, I’ve seen surgeons, lawyers, accountants, etc. Successful men with families in their 30’s. Many of them appear disturbingly ordinary.
From this you can start to make connections about the psyche of this type of person. It seems that the famous serial killers were just “regular” sadists who “succeeded” in raising to great heights. Many people have these urges, and they are all around us and voicing their preferences right in front of us. If this sounds too far-fetched to you as it did to me initially then take a look through some of the links throughout this article. Once you do, it is undeniable.
Kitten torture videos have recently become popular in China, where the lack of animal cruelty laws allows this industry to thrive legally, which is a valid business there due to the lack of any animal cruelty laws. Because of that, there it is more industrialized, where they livestream torture acts and are running accounts on social media that get a lot of followers, so they can monetize the media in the usual ways such as charging for access, tips, etc. These kind citizens have taken it upon themselves to help as much as they can, by naming the individuals and organizing protests around the world. The protests are focused on asking the Chinese government to implement animal cruelty laws, as it’s the only industrialized country that does not have them.
Sadism in the digital age
Once you spend time getting to the bottom of this, the takeaway is that similarly to how the increased accessibility of porn has decreased the amount of rape according to research such as this. Modern day sadists are also getting their needs filled by the convenience of technology. That’s where the comparison ends though, as this is not a healthy escape for such people. The ones that are able to do commission custom torture, usually accompanying a handwritten piece of paper with the payer’s name and the current date in the video frame. And some have taken trips to South East Asia to engage in the torture themselves, even discussing starting a hostel there specifically for this purpose. They are in constant search of new material, you can see them requesting it off each other compulsively, or talking about the size of the stash or their hard drives, usually in the 10’s to 100’s of GB’s. I have seen some of the footage myself. It’s real and it’s horrifying.
I understand if this all sounds unbelievable—it did to me too, until I took the time to dig deeper and grasp the reality. That’s the thing about this subject: it’s misunderstood and unknown because it’s the last thing anyone wants to think about. It makes sense then, that the last subject that anyone wants to think about is the least known subject. But it’s important that we do start to pay attention to it. These individuals initially gather on public platforms like YouTube and Facebook before moving to less regulated private groups on Telegram and Discord for the production and exchanging of the brutal videos. The obvious starting point would be to remove the meeting ground.
The big platforms want to keep the content up
Google, the parent company of YouTube, have made their Gemini AI model available to the general public, and it’s rolled out in their infrastructure such as Firebase — a popular cloud database provider that powers a lot of the internet under the hood. It is already running at scale and in production, and one of the many features that they tout for it is its ability to moderate content. It performs better than humans at content moderation, which means that humans can be removed from the loop entirely. I tested Google’s own AI product on the YouTube video I linked to above and this is what it had to say about it:
“Subject: A monkey appears to be tethered to a wall or structure. It seems to be wearing a harness or chain around its body.
Conditions: The monkey's environment appears to be somewhat harsh, with a concrete wall and a few branches nearby.The monkey's fur looks slightly unkempt.
Possible Interpretations:
It's important to note that if you suspect animal abuse, you should contact your local animal welfare organization or authorities.”
So it’s more than capable of recognizing that this video should not be there. I asked it about the comments in the video, and it was also aware that they are inappropriate and that these people can use the platform as a meeting ground before forming communities to go on to much worse things. Google sell Gemini as a service to third party developers to moderate their content. It’s very fast and cheap to run, and it’s more accurate than a human. Speaking as a programmer that has worked on systems like this, I can say for certain that they are not using it because they choose not to, not because there is any technical barrier.
Advertisers boycotted X/Twitter over the content that it hosts, but ironically that is the only major social media network where I can’t find zoosadists sharing content. It seems odd that they will boycott X over their content, but seemingly have no problem supporting platforms which are providing the meeting grounds for sadists, and frequently leave up the animal abuse channels for years at a stretch despite community efforts to report those channels. The only videos that do get banned or shadow banned are the videos that criticize this content. They’ll often have their content removed being told that it features abusive content - where the abusive content is the videos from YouTube’s own platform that they’re citing to show that it’s inappropriate.
YouTube don’t run their own AI moderation software on their own platform because it would remove a lot of videos. Since their AI was even trained on that data, it would seem almost certain that this problem has already been reported internally and they are choosing to ignore it. The best case scenario is that YouTube is leaving these channels up because it makes money off them.
And it’s not for lack of trying to have these animal abuse videos removed.
The worldwide response so far
Despite the large scale arrest which was part of the BBC documentary there are no NGO’s or charities dedicated to this issue. The main group working to combat this issue appears to be kiwifarms.st, a site with a notorious reputation for doxxing and harassment. They are finding the identities of the perpetrators, contacting law enforcement with evidence, and at times contacting the work and friends and family of the people that engage in the abuse when the other efforts fail. They go so far as to infiltrate the animal abuse groups to gather information and evidence, an extremely difficult task because of the mental health cost of participating and viewing that content. Having seen a few of these videos myself while looking into this, I can say it’s something very few people could do. Those that do take the time to do it are thanked sacrificing their sanity for the cause.
They say it’s hard to get the FBI to prosecute animal related cases, but they have had some successes. They have a list of about 100 people they have posted the identity of, including several producers of the content. There have been several cases of kiwifarms users being solely responsible for arrests in various countries. Some of the people in the list have been arrested, others times law enforcement has ignored the evidence they have sent them. In one case the abuser is openly mocking them after they failed to get any action from the police. It’s gone so far as to having community members confront the abuser in person, where they promised to stop killing animals, only to continue after the confrontation (another thread on Kiwi Farms). Warning, this thread contains the acts of one of the abusers documented in graphic detail, it’s by far the worst thing I have ever seen. I’m only leaving it here because the abuser has been reported to the FBI with all the evidence you see there and still has not been arrested.
In short, kiwifarms, while have the reputation as being the dregs of the internet, is the main cohesive group I can find making a public effort to do anything about this. And for that I’ll be eternally grateful. I don’t have an opinion on anything else they have done as I was unaware of the existence of the site previously.
This person who was in the BBC documentary is also one of the leading characters in fighting for the cause. Out of all the groups mentioned here she’s the only one that accepts donations. The rest are doing it purely on a voluntary basis. I have never seen another social movement that does so much - and takes so much risk - purely on a voluntary basis. This should tell us the seriousness of what is transpiring.
In summary, people who had niche interests and ideas generally used to be isolated from society as they would have a hard time finding a kindred spirit. Now, with whatever you’re into you can find communities about that thing online, whatever it is. Sometimes it’s good, sometimes it’s harmless, but we should not forget about the bottom of the barrel and what happens when these kinds of people go unchecked and form groups. Considering that they are seemingly normal people, and are in many cases with mostly normal lives, people need to be aware of the sheer numbers of these people around us so that we can spot them in our own lives, as you can see they are common enough that most people will probably know at least one person like this. If you’ve read this far you’ll have already gleaned enough to be able to spot them in the wild, as the signs are obvious once you know them. Given the lack of laws and interest in fixing this by most of the major platforms and governments, a social response to a social problem is the most we can hope for where we are now, which is unfortunately only at the beginning of this fight.
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They haven’t disappeared — they’ve simply moved to a new playground: the internet, where they operate openly on major platforms. Once you know how to spot them, you start to see them everywhere.
Messages like this are all over the “monkey hate” communities, which are all over the major platforms such as YouTube, Facebook, etc. Usually people progress from finding their community on YouTube and eventually shift to Telegram for more brutal content:
Sourced from here
The Rise of Torture Communities Online
It all starts with an abused animal on YouTube. The most common of which is the baby Macaque monkey, known to be the most human-like animal in its appearance there is, particularly when it’s young. There are thousands of these videos on YouTube, mistreated monkeys has become an entire industry in itself. Let’s take this video for example, which shows a monkey which is kept in bad conditions on a very short leash so that it can’t sit down. Although the video is distasteful, what really stands out are the comments, and the positive engagement they get.
Many people brazenly post using their real identities:
With this one if click on her profile it takes you to her onlyfans account:
This is just a random example from thousands; it is average, neither particularly good nor bad compared to the others.
Browsing monkey abuse videos on YouTube reveals the same users repeatedly posting comments and obsessively updating playlists with the most disturbing moments. And many of them spend thousands of hours compiling playlists which they obsessively update of the worst moments in the monkey abuse videos, frequently interlaced with human baby kids having accidents and falling over and things, or finding the most revealing moments in the videos of kids. Those too are everywhere, here’s one example.
These communities are alarmingly easy to find — just search for their code words like 'million tears,' 'monkey accident,' or 'hurt monkey' on platforms like YouTube or Facebook.
Obsessive and disturbing behaviors
If you take the time to go through some of these channels, you see that people compulsively compile their playlists multiple times a week, and if one person mentions that they have a video which they haven’t seen yet they immediately begin asking for it, often offering to trade videos etc. They are the most active YouTube group I’ve seen, logging in daily to post comments and engage with the community.
They also show signs of exhibitionism, constantly commenting on the videos day after day, and reacting with defensive diatribes about how they have the right to do this if anyone calls them out on it. There is an excellent explanation of all this here. I strongly recommend this video, the creator spent months researching this topic and deep dives into how it all works and the psychology of the participants, and he backs his findings up with scientific data.
These mildly abused monkey videos on YouTube act as an advertisement. Over time they tend to exchange details with the creator of the video, and after that start to order custom content of the monkeys being tortured in ways that devise. The going rate is $200 per monkey, which is a 10x return on their investment, because the monkey costs about $20 in Indonesia.
For anyone who has doubt, this topic has been covered by the BBC and the people involved in that network in the USA, UK, and Indonesia have been arrested. However, it’s a growing issue and most of the criminals are continuing freely, in part due to lack of awareness.
When I found out about and the severity of the problem - and the scale of the animal torture industry - it derailed me. My first reaction was disbelief, then during several days of investigation I started to piece together an understanding of these individuals.
The psychology and motivations behind zoosadism
The people involved in these communities are predominantly zoosadists, people who find sadism toward animals arousing. Research indicates a significant overlap between zoosadism and pedophilia. A study from the Department of National Forensic Services, St. Olavs Hospital, Norway, titled “Is There a Link between Zoophilia and Pedophilia?” provides the following findings:
- Increased brain responses in pedophiles when viewing images of infant animals, suggesting a potential link between pedophilia and an "over-active nurturing system."
- Police records and convictions show that 38% of child sex offenders had previously sexually abused an animal, while 35% of arrests involving human sexual contact with a non-human animal also involved child sexual abuse.
For more evidence supporting these points, see the collection of research documents here and here.
But even without the studies common sense will tell you the same since when given the choice of animal, the baby Macaque monkey is consistently chosen as the victim, which also has the highest resemblance to a human. Only when monkeys are not commonly available are other animach as kittens chosen.
Here’s a fairly typical journey for one of these people:
And here’s a fairly typical rant, that they’ll use to justify it. If this is your first time seeing anything like this it’ll look horrific, but this is the general standard amongst these people once you start reading it.
This woman, Isabella, had previously appeared on the show Dr. Phil. You can read about her here
She discusses her enthusiasm for monkey torture openly:
The profiles of the perpetrators
In short, there are people with sadistic tendencies and the other pathologies tend to overlap. They all have their own niches and nuances within that, but that’s not particularly important. They are generally interested in the same kinds of content, and it crosses species. That’s how we’ve reached the point of them crowdfunding production of new videos, and the more affluent among them ordering custom content for their own specific kinks.
Since these people often post with their real identity, when you go to take a look at who is behind it, it’s similar to the profiles of the people in the BBC documentary on this topic. Frequently Western, middle aged or older women commissioning the custom animal abuse, and men carrying it out. But you get all types involved in this, I’ve seen surgeons, lawyers, accountants, etc. Successful men with families in their 30’s. Many of them appear disturbingly ordinary.
From this you can start to make connections about the psyche of this type of person. It seems that the famous serial killers were just “regular” sadists who “succeeded” in raising to great heights. Many people have these urges, and they are all around us and voicing their preferences right in front of us. If this sounds too far-fetched to you as it did to me initially then take a look through some of the links throughout this article. Once you do, it is undeniable.
Kitten torture videos have recently become popular in China, where the lack of animal cruelty laws allows this industry to thrive legally, which is a valid business there due to the lack of any animal cruelty laws. Because of that, there it is more industrialized, where they livestream torture acts and are running accounts on social media that get a lot of followers, so they can monetize the media in the usual ways such as charging for access, tips, etc. These kind citizens have taken it upon themselves to help as much as they can, by naming the individuals and organizing protests around the world. The protests are focused on asking the Chinese government to implement animal cruelty laws, as it’s the only industrialized country that does not have them.
Sadism in the digital age
Once you spend time getting to the bottom of this, the takeaway is that similarly to how the increased accessibility of porn has decreased the amount of rape according to research such as this. Modern day sadists are also getting their needs filled by the convenience of technology. That’s where the comparison ends though, as this is not a healthy escape for such people. The ones that are able to do commission custom torture, usually accompanying a handwritten piece of paper with the payer’s name and the current date in the video frame. And some have taken trips to South East Asia to engage in the torture themselves, even discussing starting a hostel there specifically for this purpose. They are in constant search of new material, you can see them requesting it off each other compulsively, or talking about the size of the stash or their hard drives, usually in the 10’s to 100’s of GB’s. I have seen some of the footage myself. It’s real and it’s horrifying.
I understand if this all sounds unbelievable—it did to me too, until I took the time to dig deeper and grasp the reality. That’s the thing about this subject: it’s misunderstood and unknown because it’s the last thing anyone wants to think about. It makes sense then, that the last subject that anyone wants to think about is the least known subject. But it’s important that we do start to pay attention to it. These individuals initially gather on public platforms like YouTube and Facebook before moving to less regulated private groups on Telegram and Discord for the production and exchanging of the brutal videos. The obvious starting point would be to remove the meeting ground.
The big platforms want to keep the content up
Google, the parent company of YouTube, have made their Gemini AI model available to the general public, and it’s rolled out in their infrastructure such as Firebase — a popular cloud database provider that powers a lot of the internet under the hood. It is already running at scale and in production, and one of the many features that they tout for it is its ability to moderate content. It performs better than humans at content moderation, which means that humans can be removed from the loop entirely. I tested Google’s own AI product on the YouTube video I linked to above and this is what it had to say about it:
“Subject: A monkey appears to be tethered to a wall or structure. It seems to be wearing a harness or chain around its body.
Conditions: The monkey's environment appears to be somewhat harsh, with a concrete wall and a few branches nearby.The monkey's fur looks slightly unkempt.
Possible Interpretations:
- Captivity: The monkey is likely being kept in captivity, as evidenced by the harness and the lack of natural surroundings.
- Animal Abuse: The image raises concerns about animal welfare. The monkey's tethering and the apparent lack of suitable living conditions could indicate potential abuse.
- Exotic Pet Trade: The monkey might be part of the illegal exotic pet trade. Many countries have strict regulations against keeping wild animals as pets, especially primates.
- Where was this image taken?
- What is the species of the monkey?
- Are there any other animals visible in the image?
- Who took the photograph?
It's important to note that if you suspect animal abuse, you should contact your local animal welfare organization or authorities.”
So it’s more than capable of recognizing that this video should not be there. I asked it about the comments in the video, and it was also aware that they are inappropriate and that these people can use the platform as a meeting ground before forming communities to go on to much worse things. Google sell Gemini as a service to third party developers to moderate their content. It’s very fast and cheap to run, and it’s more accurate than a human. Speaking as a programmer that has worked on systems like this, I can say for certain that they are not using it because they choose not to, not because there is any technical barrier.
Advertisers boycotted X/Twitter over the content that it hosts, but ironically that is the only major social media network where I can’t find zoosadists sharing content. It seems odd that they will boycott X over their content, but seemingly have no problem supporting platforms which are providing the meeting grounds for sadists, and frequently leave up the animal abuse channels for years at a stretch despite community efforts to report those channels. The only videos that do get banned or shadow banned are the videos that criticize this content. They’ll often have their content removed being told that it features abusive content - where the abusive content is the videos from YouTube’s own platform that they’re citing to show that it’s inappropriate.
YouTube don’t run their own AI moderation software on their own platform because it would remove a lot of videos. Since their AI was even trained on that data, it would seem almost certain that this problem has already been reported internally and they are choosing to ignore it. The best case scenario is that YouTube is leaving these channels up because it makes money off them.
And it’s not for lack of trying to have these animal abuse videos removed.
The worldwide response so far
Despite the large scale arrest which was part of the BBC documentary there are no NGO’s or charities dedicated to this issue. The main group working to combat this issue appears to be kiwifarms.st, a site with a notorious reputation for doxxing and harassment. They are finding the identities of the perpetrators, contacting law enforcement with evidence, and at times contacting the work and friends and family of the people that engage in the abuse when the other efforts fail. They go so far as to infiltrate the animal abuse groups to gather information and evidence, an extremely difficult task because of the mental health cost of participating and viewing that content. Having seen a few of these videos myself while looking into this, I can say it’s something very few people could do. Those that do take the time to do it are thanked sacrificing their sanity for the cause.
They say it’s hard to get the FBI to prosecute animal related cases, but they have had some successes. They have a list of about 100 people they have posted the identity of, including several producers of the content. There have been several cases of kiwifarms users being solely responsible for arrests in various countries. Some of the people in the list have been arrested, others times law enforcement has ignored the evidence they have sent them. In one case the abuser is openly mocking them after they failed to get any action from the police. It’s gone so far as to having community members confront the abuser in person, where they promised to stop killing animals, only to continue after the confrontation (another thread on Kiwi Farms). Warning, this thread contains the acts of one of the abusers documented in graphic detail, it’s by far the worst thing I have ever seen. I’m only leaving it here because the abuser has been reported to the FBI with all the evidence you see there and still has not been arrested.
In short, kiwifarms, while have the reputation as being the dregs of the internet, is the main cohesive group I can find making a public effort to do anything about this. And for that I’ll be eternally grateful. I don’t have an opinion on anything else they have done as I was unaware of the existence of the site previously.
This person who was in the BBC documentary is also one of the leading characters in fighting for the cause. Out of all the groups mentioned here she’s the only one that accepts donations. The rest are doing it purely on a voluntary basis. I have never seen another social movement that does so much - and takes so much risk - purely on a voluntary basis. This should tell us the seriousness of what is transpiring.
In summary, people who had niche interests and ideas generally used to be isolated from society as they would have a hard time finding a kindred spirit. Now, with whatever you’re into you can find communities about that thing online, whatever it is. Sometimes it’s good, sometimes it’s harmless, but we should not forget about the bottom of the barrel and what happens when these kinds of people go unchecked and form groups. Considering that they are seemingly normal people, and are in many cases with mostly normal lives, people need to be aware of the sheer numbers of these people around us so that we can spot them in our own lives, as you can see they are common enough that most people will probably know at least one person like this. If you’ve read this far you’ll have already gleaned enough to be able to spot them in the wild, as the signs are obvious once you know them. Given the lack of laws and interest in fixing this by most of the major platforms and governments, a social response to a social problem is the most we can hope for where we are now, which is unfortunately only at the beginning of this fight.
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