Pet food after the end

[wtfNeedSignUp]

It's a subject I've been thinking about. If I need to give my dog with non store bought food I wouldn't know what to give besides meat. And even with that I don't know which parts of the animal are good for the dog that humans can't easily consume.

Also what to give to puppies.

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

Kibble is a relatively new invention, invented back in the 50's. Before that, for thousands of years, we fed our pets tablescraps. You don't really need science, just don't overfeed them or give them ultra processed foods

 

[Judge Dredd]

Meat is fine. Some people wear by raw meat diets for dogs.

I don't know exactly what was used during world war 2, but iirc it was meat not fit for human consumption, but dogs ate it fine.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Kibble is a relatively new invention, invented back in the 50's. Before that, for thousands of years, we fed our pets tablescraps. You don't really need science, just don't overfeed them or give them ultra processed foods

The thing that worries me is nutritional deficiencies that can fuck up a dog in the long term, especially as people's diets changed due to including new foods that dogs can't process. I also wonder if dogs in the past reached the 10+ age.

 

[Näkki]

Usually dogs should have a daily 80% meat and 20% veg if you get down to it.

How do you plan to sustain yourself? Let's start there. Depends on your own variety. How many chickens/ducks? (Chickens that can forage for themselves, good mom's, etc keep the population stable) that's some daily eggs. All the roosters that hatch, you keep for half a year than slaughter. That's some meat. (Keep your mom's safe.)

Fishing could be important. Depending on where you life but go for passive traps if it's smaller rivers. Omega 3 is good for your dogs coat and many other good things but also you.

When hunting, you can easily make chew sticks out of everything you don't want or can't use right now. Sinew, cut out bones, ears, they'll be fine with a day or two of nothing but that. Just plenty of water.

Dogs can handle a day or two without food, that's considered normal in wild populations. They do need protein eventually though, in whatever form it comes. Eggs, meat, insects, the right beans..

Honestly, unless you're feeding your dog after you threw in a stick of butter, most things even if they might need preparation (potatoe, most nightshade) you can seperate before— dogs will be just fine. Just remember protein.

Now cats though..

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

Usually dogs should have a daily 80% meat and 20% veg if you get down to it.

How do you plan to sustain yourself? Let's start there. Depends on your own variety. How many chickens/ducks? (Chickens that can forage for themselves, good mom's, etc keep the population stable) that's some daily eggs. All the roosters that hatch, you keep for half a year than slaughter. That's some meat. (Keep your mom's safe.)

Fishing could be important. Depending on where you life but go for passive traps if it's smaller rivers. Omega 3 is good for your dogs coat and many other good things but also you.

When hunting, you can easily make chew sticks out of everything you don't want or can't use right now. Sinew, cut out bones, ears, they'll be fine with a day or two of nothing but that. Just plenty of water.

Dogs can handle a day or two without food, that's considered normal in wild populations. They do need protein eventually though, in whatever form it comes. Eggs, meat, insects, the right beans..

Honestly, unless you're feeding your dog after you threw in a stick of butter, most things even if they might need preparation (potatoe, most nightshade) you can seperate before— dogs will be just fine. Just remember protein.

Now cats though..

If your cat can hunt then it can feed itself, usually. In fact that's the main benefit to having a cat, it'll keep pests out of your food storage. Now if you're bringing in a prissy kitty who's never caught anything but its own tail and couldn't find food if you stuffed its face in its food bowl, it's pretty much fucked cause I think there's some specific nutrients they need in particular (Don't quote me on that) but other than that cats are pretty self sufficient.

 

[Cirrhosis_of_Liver]

Working dogs need more meat, though inside pets do well on humanish diets of grain, veggies, and some meat.

Do not feed dogs nothing but meat; that gives them a calcium-phosporus imbalance. Organ meats are good, though I'd be as wary with dogs with humans about feeding them carnivore liver.

Raw food diets are ever such bullshit for dogs as they are for humans. Yes, wolves don't cook their food.

A, dogs and wolves have followed verh different evolutionary paths for the past 20k years, and dogs are descended from an otherwise extinct wolf subspecies, so point being dogs aren't wolves.

B, wolves get sick and die all the time. People have some weird concept that wild animals are healthier than domestic animals, which is bananas. Cooking is a very useful invention.

 

[Näkki]

If your cat can hunt then it can feed itself, usually. In fact that's the main benefit to having a cat, it'll keep pests out of your food storage. Now if you're bringing in a prissy kitty who's never caught anything but its own tail and couldn't find food if you stuffed its face in its food bowl, it's pretty much fucked cause I think there's some specific nutrients they need in particular (Don't quote me on that) but other than that cats are pretty self sufficient.

Taurine, that can only be supplemented if you can't get your couch tiger to eat the local wildlife. Though just about any cat can adapt if you give them time and show them a bit.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

After the end the pets will be food.

 

[ChefBourgeoisie]

I understand the utility of a herding dog or barn cat, but pets-for-the-sake-of-having-pets show some sort of psychological issues that you might want to work through before the end of the world. They're surrogate livestock for some (get some real livestock and quit living in the suburbs), and surrogate children for others (if you don't have children what do you even care about the end of the world?). My small city must have twenty or thirty emergency veterinary clinics but we don't have one toy store. They're a symptom of a society that wants to commit collective suicide but is too squeamish to cut deeper with the razor blade.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

From what I know, dog food (besides kibble) is often just organ meats that humans are typically too squeamish to even touch.

Organ meats are more than fine, the only problem is that they're unpalatable to humans and humans specifically. Most carnivores actually go for those first.

 

[Cirrhosis_of_Liver]

I understand the utility of a herding dog or barn cat, but pets-for-the-sake-of-having-pets show some sort of psychological issues that you might want to work through before the end of the world. They're surrogate livestock for some (get some real livestock and quit living in the suburbs), and surrogate children for others (if you don't have children what do you even care about the end of the world?). My small city must have twenty or thirty emergency veterinary clinics but we don't have one toy store. They're a symptom of a society that wants to commit collective suicide but is too squeamish to cut deeper with the razor blade.

"Pet owners have psychological issues" --Guy who can't befriend a dog

 

[Absolutego]

I understand the utility of a herding dog or barn cat, but pets-for-the-sake-of-having-pets show some sort of psychological issues that you might want to work through before the end of the world. They're surrogate livestock for some (get some real livestock and quit living in the suburbs), and surrogate children for others (if you don't have children what do you even care about the end of the world?). My small city must have twenty or thirty emergency veterinary clinics but we don't have one toy store. They're a symptom of a society that wants to commit collective suicide but is too squeamish to cut deeper with the razor blade.

I get the pet parents are incredibly cringe but if you can't see the mental health benefits of a creature that will unconditionally love you, pretty much no matter what, and that properly taking care of incentivizes good habits for your own fitness I dunno what to tell you.

 

[Cats]

 

[ChefBourgeoisie]

I get the pet parents are incredibly cringe but if you can't see the mental health benefits of a creature that will unconditionally love you,

I don't need unconditional love for myself. I find more gratification in giving such love to my children and family. I do confess that I have the need for keeping animals, I suspect it is hard-wired into human brains genetically... imagine the advantage that those early humans must have had when they started keeping animals rather than just hunting them. But then we moved into cities, and it didn't work so well. Same reason people mow grass... it's your surrogate crop that you get to harvest.

You don't have mental health benefits from keeping pets. You have mental health issues that you "self-medicate" with pets. But it just makes it possible to cope with the symptoms a little, doesn't go away. Doesn't get better.

From what I know, dog food (besides kibble) is often just organ meats that humans are typically too squeamish to even touch.

You need to be very careful with these. I'm no expert, but I do remember some of the meat science class I flunked... organ meats tend to be heavy on the fat side, very light on the protein side. You can easily be supplying all the dog's (or cat's) caloric needs, and missing out on other nutritional needs. Also, you do need to cook this stuff too, or it needs to sit in deep freeze for a few weeks to kill any sort of parasites... ivermectin will be difficult to come by. This goes doubly so for hunters, though kept livestock will be only slightly safer from those things.

If one believes that there will be a collapse, then you might forgive me for thinking that such a person wouldn't want to attempt to retain the luxury of a pet. If they already had a cat or dog, then such a person might do well to consider not replacing it when that pet eventually ages and passes. Or at the very least switch to a breed that could also be a bit more utilitarian. A herding dog, a ratting terrier, or something like that. If there is a collapse, none of us can properly imagine it right now. Things will get bad in ways we (thankfully) cannot comprehend at the moment. Don't put yourself in the position of becoming something you'd call monstrous any more than necessary.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

20% veg

The veggies are the sticking point for me. Meat is pretty simple but there's lots of vegetables variants and some are toxic for dogs. I know potatoes, yams and rice are popular fillings in dog food, but are there more that are either popular food for humans or something that grows in the wild that humans can't eat? Also what about fruit?

I understand the utility of a herding dog or barn cat, but pets-for-the-sake-of-having-pets show some sort of psychological issues that you might want to work through before the end of the world. They're surrogate livestock for some (get some real livestock and quit living in the suburbs), and surrogate children for others (if you don't have children what do you even care about the end of the world?). My small city must have twenty or thirty emergency veterinary clinics but we don't have one toy store. They're a symptom of a society that wants to commit collective suicide but is too squeamish to cut deeper with the razor blade.

Anything above toy dogs have its usage as long as you didn't raise it badly. Even if you wanna larp as full on survivor you'd rather take a dog with you than go alone or drag your kids along.

 

[Cirrhosis_of_Liver]

I keep the house dogs because they're my friends who make me happy, not because they're "surrogate livestock," wtf man. What was the immigration process like from your home planet?

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Don't put yourself in the position of becoming something you'd call monstrous any more than necessary.

As in, adopting a few Chinese traditions in order to avoid starving to death or to lighten the load, so to speak?

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

Same reason people mow grass... it's your surrogate crop that you get to harvest.

??? People don't mow the lawn because it's fun they mow the lawn because it keeps the yard tidy and presentable. Unless you're making mulch for your garden there's no reason to harvest grass and if you're doing that you already have plants to harvest.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

??? People don't mow the lawn because it's fun they mow the lawn because it keeps the yard tidy and presentable. Unless you're making mulch for your garden there's no reason to harvest grass and if you're doing that you already have plants to harvest.

I once heard talk about the origins of lawns, just fields where you have short trimmed grass.

Centuries ago, such lawns were luxuries, as most sane people would either grow crops on it, or just let whatever grasses grow uncontrollably so that their livestock can eat it.