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[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Gunther Won.
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Hitler was the Don Vito. Gunther is Michael.

 

[Omori Boy]

For anybody who's unaware, @Omori Boy 's signature isn't some kind of inside joke, he actually literally did send his troon tits to another user on this forum, and got clowned so hard it got a featured link on the front page.

Do not take anything this faggot says seriously.

Real.

Insane how?

Project2025 is so out of the norm and insane that both parties involved (Trump and Project2025) had to claim to not have anything to do with each other (despite the Heritage Foundation website still stating that Trump implemented 60% of their policies in his first year in office). It is so unpopular that it would ruin Trump's chances forever if a direct link was made between P2025 and Trump. Also telling people not to vote for Kamala and doing damage control for Trump ostensibly because of the shit happening in Gaza despite Trump saying they (Israel) should wipe Gaza off the map(and Kamala calling for ceasefire). That is absolutely insane and I can see why you would agree with them all of a sudden.

 

[delerious?]

Project2025 is so out of the norm and insane that both parties involved (Trump and Project2025) had to claim to not have anything to do with each other (despite the Heritage Foundation website still stating that Trump implemented 60% of their policies in his first year in office). It is so unpopular that it would ruin Trump's chances forever if a direct link was made between P2025 and Trump. Also telling people not to vote for Kamala and doing damage control for Trump ostensibly because of the shit happening in Gaza despite Trump saying they (Israel) should wipe Gaza off the map(and Kamala calling for ceasefire). That is absolutely insane and I can see why you would agree with them all of a sudden.

TYT becoming more moderate and nuanced (good thing) and telling people to be neutral doesn't mean they support "Project 2025". I don't think it would ever be implemented and Trump is of such low moral character he's distanced himself and whored himself out to the highest bidder for a crumb of the LGBT & Minority vote while alienating his main voter base (White Evangelicals). I don't think Project 2025 would have happened even if the Heritage Foundation had kept it under wraps. It's just a buzzword at this point to scare people who are on the fence.

 

[Americunt]

Real.

Project2025 is so out of the norm and insane that both parties involved (Trump and Project2025) had to claim to not have anything to do with each other (despite the Heritage Foundation website still stating that Trump implemented 60% of their policies in his first year in office). It is so unpopular that it would ruin Trump's chances forever if a direct link was made between P2025 and Trump. Also telling people not to vote for Kamala and doing damage control for Trump ostensibly because of the shit happening in Gaza despite Trump saying they (Israel) should wipe Gaza off the map(and Kamala calling for ceasefire). That is absolutely insane and I can see why you would agree with them all of a sudden.

Your giving Trump a lot more credit than I would if you think he'd be able to actually compotently implement P2025. We're talking about a guy who couldn't even get his own party to fund the wall (funnily enough Joe got the job done for him there) or repeal the ACA. And as for Gaza, if both candidates are going to let the bloodshed continue, then neither of them are worth voting for. Enough with this "If you think it's bad now, just wait till Trump gets in" I genuinely can't conceive of how it could get any worse, it's not like Joe or Kamala have done anything to actually curtail any of what's going on, nor would them giving Bibi asspats like Trump does make anything worse.

I'm assuming you're left-wing, do you actually want to drag the party towards taking action on things that matter, or is throwing a pride party on the WH lawn every June good enough for you? It doesn't surprise me you don't see the value in withholding your vote to demand better, faggot.

 

[Omori Boy]

TYT becoming more moderate and nuanced (good thing) and telling people to be neutral doesn't mean they support "Project 2025".

There's other threads where this has been discussed ad nauseum but she downplayed the link between Project 2025 and the Trump admin. and downplaying what is said in the document. There is nothing in said document that is considered moderate or nuanced and it's easy to tell that because how much it shook even moderate conservatives.

whored himself out to the highest bidder for a crumb of the LGBT & Minority vote

He has put judges into the Supreme Court who have spoke about wanting to overturn Obergefell and Trump himself has said he wants to ban gender transition for all ages. Once again, he doesn't try at all to be on the side of LGBT people and how he feels about black people and other minorities has been seen not just in 2020 but also in his refusal to admit he was wrong on the Central Park 5.

main voter base (White Evangelicals).

lol

I don't think Project 2025 would have happened even if the Heritage Foundation had kept it under wraps

I doubt it, but we definitely wouldn't have known.

Your giving Trump a lot more credit than I would if you think he'd be able to actually compotently implement P2025. We're talking about a guy who couldn't even get his own party to fund the wall (funnily enough Joe got the job done for him there) or repeal the ACA.

Because repealing ACA would have probably cut his term off to months after his signing. The ACA has been one of the greatest bills we have had along side the ADA and the New Deal.

And as for Gaza, if both candidates are going to let the bloodshed continue, then neither of them are worth voting for.

If one says they want less genocide and the other says he wants more genocide, the people being genocided would side with the one who wants less genocide, as Gazans have said about Kamala.

Enough with this "If you think it's bad now, just wait till Trump gets in" I genuinely can't conceive of how it could get any worse,

We live in the richest nation in the world, things can get so so so so much worse that it's absurd to think it couldn't.

do you actually want to drag the party towards taking action on things that matter

I do, that's why people like Bernie and AOC are so important, if you exclude yourself from a group, they won't listen to you, and if you aren't in a group that is in a position of any power, nothing will change in the way you want.

 

[delerious?]

He has put judges into the Supreme Court who have spoke about wanting to overturn Obergefell and Trump himself has said he wants to ban gender transition for all ages. Once again, he doesn't try at all to be on the side of LGBT people and how he feels about black people and other minorities has been seen not just in 2020 but also in his refusal to admit he was wrong on the Central Park 5.

So? His posturing and the posturing of his party at the RNC is of a dramatic shift whether it be in the short term or long term towards mass legal immigration and keeping reproductive rights isn't in the interest of his main voter base which is, again White Christians. The shift from pandering to MAGApedes to pandering to moderate leftists is funny to me. The RNC this year felt more like a modern mega church sermon than an actual political conference. On the Gaza issue I don't really give a shit, Americans are most likely getting the same side of the same coin on the issue. Me personally? I would prefer Israel to win over the Theocratic Islamists that want to destroy my way of life. On Russia-Ukraine, I would prefer the continuance of aid to Ukraine, I don't like degenerate godless oligarchies.

 

[Americunt]

If one says they want less genocide and the other says he wants more genocide, the people being genocided would side with the one who wants less genocide, as Gazans have said about Kamala.

If one party says they want less genocide, but doesn't actually do anything to stop it when they're literally in power to do so, why should anyone who actually cares about it give them their vote?

We live in the richest nation in the world, things can get so so so so much worse that it's absurd to think it couldn't.

Good, we deserve it, doubly so if you still vote Dem.

do, that's why people like Bernie and AOC are so important, if you exclude yourself from a group, they won't listen to you, and if you aren't in a group that is in a position of any power, nothing will change in the way you want.

Lmao Bernie and AOC are totally on the leash of the dem establishment at this point. Both have been buck-broken every step of the way trying to push the party left. If you're still riding with them hoping the dems will throw them crumbs for their slavish loyalty, YOU definitely deserve whatever a second Trump term brings.

 

[Omori Boy]

If one party says they want less genocide, but doesn't actually do anything to stop it when they're literally in power to do so, why should anyone who actually cares about it give them their vote?

Because most Americans love Israel, and when you had one view that is ostensibly anti-Israel and other is the opposite, the majority of the public will chose the latter, and that's bad when the election is on the line. I wish the war would end right now, but there's a tiny improbable hope that after the election Biden or Kamala will end aide to Israel.

 

[Jungle Strike]

If one says they want less genocide and the other says he wants more genocide, the people being genocided would side with the one who wants less genocide, as Gazans have said about Kamala.

Nah the "two state solution" is the Lucy-snatching-the-football trick liberals pull to save face & massage the Israelis settler colonizing the Palestinians. Democrats are just the 'good cop' to the GoyOP's 'bad cop'. It gives liberal Jews cover to support their caveman Jewish supremacist state while maintaining the pretense of liberal, cool cosmopolitans (especially overseas).

Trump being a boorish oaf about his support for Israel robs this massaging and there's no cool Democrat to couch a liberal jew's support for their 20th century relic that is a racialist settler state. In this regard, Trump is strategically bad for Israel, and not worth the marginally more munitions they'll use exterminating Palestinians. I think Israeli politics to the right of Likud may be only thing be worse for the Zionist cause in their support of it.

 

[Jungle Strike]

I genuinely can't conceive of how it could get any worse

I'm sorry to inform you it's going to get worse before it gets worse.

 

[Omori Boy]

Nah the "two state solution" is the Lucy-snatching-the-football trick liberals pull to save face & massage the Israelis settler colonizing the Palestinians. Democrats are just the 'good cop' to the GoyOP's 'bad cop'. It gives liberal Jews cover to support their caveman Jewish supremacist state while maintaining the pretense of liberal, cool cosmopolitans (especially overseas).

Trump being a boorish oaf about his support for Israel robs this massaging and there's no cool Democrat to couch a liberal jew's support for their 20th century relic that is a racialist settler state. In this regard, Trump is strategically bad for Israel, and not worth the marginally more munitions they'll use exterminating Palestinians. I think Israeli politics to the right of Likud may be only thing be worse for the Zionist cause in their support of it.

It's a terrible option but I think the people dying don't care because they don't want to die, none of us do, so why would it be fair for someone to kill you and your family because the better option was still not a good option? In an ideal situation, a ceasefire can be reached and *then* deal with the Israel-Palestine conflict, but right now, people especially children are dying or suffering every single day.

 

[Americunt]

It's a terrible option but I think the people dying don't care because they don't want to die, none of us do, so why would it be fair for someone to kill you and your family because the better option was still not a good option? In an ideal situation, a ceasefire can be reached and *then* deal with the Israel-Palestine conflict, but right now, people especially children are dying or suffering every single day.

That makes no sense. If neither options are going to even try and make a material difference, why am I supposed to reward the side that's cynically trying to convince me that they're better? What fucking difference does it make to people in Gaza if Trump or Kamala is president? From what I see, absolutely fucking nothing.

Is your proposition that we just give them false hope and pretend the administration that's doing nothing for them now is going to once they get elected? Leave it to a tranny to think pretending something is true makes it so.

 

[NoReturn]

Honestly I'm sick of Russia dick gobbling both in alt media and here. No one fucking wants to live in that shithole yet people behave as if they are some economical and civic milestone people should emulate.

If all the world's governments stopped being massive faggots I would love to see Lake Baikal someday.

 

[Jungle Strike]

It's a terrible option but I think the people dying don't care because they don't want to die, none of us do, so why would it be fair for someone to kill you and your family because the better option was still not a good option? In an ideal situation, a ceasefire can be reached and *then* deal with the Israel-Palestine conflict, but right now, people especially children are dying or suffering every single day.

The Palestinians won't receive actual relief until the Zionist institutions trying to genocide them are annihilated. I'm sorry to inform you that the suffering of innocents this past year will continue, as the Palestinian nation is Israel's enemy and it's removal or destruction is its goal. What is relief from that? Relief from that is Zionism being as extinct as Bourbon legitimists, Tsarists or American liberals this century.

It could be argued I'm splitting hairs arguing Trump (whom I believe is WORSE for Israel as I've mentioned above) is better on this issue than the Democrats during this election year, and I'd agree. The Zionist project long term is doomed but Trump IMO accelerates that doom, even if its for 4D chess reasons that I've talked about above.

 

[delerious?]

It could be argued I'm splitting hairs arguing Trump (whom I believe is WORSE for Israel as I've mentioned above) is better on this issue than the Democrats during this election year, and I'd agree. The Zionist project long term is doomed but Trump IMO accelerates that doom, even if its for 4D chess reasons that I've talked about above.

I don't see it being "Doomed" any time soon. Trump increasing aid to Israel isn't going to change anything. There's liberal enough Jews in Israel that don't like Gvir and his party. If you seriously think Israel is going to collapse within the next 50 years you're probably delusional. Need I remind you that Israel has a nuclear arsenal? They almost deployed it during the Yom Kippur war. They're not going anywhere in a military sense.

 

[Americunt]

I don't see it being "Doomed" any time soon. Trump increasing aid to Israel isn't going to change anything. There's liberal enough Jews in Israel that don't like Gvir and his party. If you seriously think Israel is going to collapse within the next 50 years you're probably delusional. Need I remind you that Israel has a nuclear arsenal? They almost deployed it during the Yom Kippur war. They're not going anywhere in a military sense.

Worked so well for South Africa!

Israel might not be "doomed" per se, but the zionist vision of it as a Jewish supremacist and exclusionary state probably is in the near future.

 

[Jungle Strike]

Need I remind you that Israel has a nuclear arsenal?

So did White South Africa, but unlike them they may be dumb enough to use it.

They're not going anywhere in a military sense.

Israel's problem doesn't have a military solution, unless they're going to kill every last man, woman, child in Gaza and the PA and if failing that coerce them to flee to neighboring countries.
So sans ramping up the genocide Israel having a tacticool military that evidently couldn't protect them from guys with hobbyist drones and motorcycles on 10/07, it doesn't change their long term political trajectory: to defeat for the Zionist project.

 

[Sapphixys Shitty Panties]

I wonder what Lauren Chen's stance on tortas is. I also wonder what her opinion on trashburgers is.

 

[R00T]

Will we get a Lauren Chen mugshot or will some sort of deal be made? Another one for the Kiwi-Con scrapbook would be nice. Seems like after Chris's arrest every cow has determined part of being a cow is having a record.

 

[AltisticRight]

Will we get a Lauren Chen mugshot or will some sort of deal be made? Another one for the Kiwi-Con scrapbook would be nice. Seems like after Chris's arrest every cow has determined part of being a cow is having a record.

It would be funny to see her mugshot and her husband's. I really, for some reason, want to see what she looks like without 1488 layers of makeup.