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[Hey Johnny Bravo]

yeah but when people kinzingerr say they love foreign policy they really mean “I love regime change boondoggles”

This is kind of a separate discussion, but some regime change boondoggles are necessary. A few of them worked.

No one complains about successful US regime change in the Philippines, South Korea, Japan, or Greece. Certainly no one complains about the biggest regime change war ever that the US participated in: WWII (Germany). They only bitch and moan when we fail. Even then, a lot of our failures are celebrated by Marxists who gloss over or cover up the horrors committed by their favored side. After the Pathet Lao took over Laos, they purged an untold number of people simply for not being communist. In fact, the Pathet Lao were so fucking bad that the CIA carried out one of the largest and most successful migrations of human beings in history - the Hmong people were spared genocide because of the CIA. The scale of murder by the communists in Vietnam was even higher.

 

[Justsomecicada]

the Hmong people were spared genocide because of the CIA.

And then dumped all over the south and the Midwest

This is kind of a separate discussion, but some regime change boondoggles are necessary. A few of them worked.

No one complains about successful US regime change in the Philippines, South Korea, Japan, or Greece.

do you have any examples of successful regime change that aren’t 60+ years old? That was a completely different America

 

[draggs]

Buying Greenland is merely a preparation to take the real prize

Iceland

Whoever owns Iceland is better than halfway to owning the North Atlantic. If someone owned both...

 

[Jade Philosophies]

She is going further beyond now.

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Yeah, Reagan probably wouldn't support Trump in the primaries as he'd think he was too liberal. But once he won the candidacy Reagan would 1000% support Trump againt Kommie Kamala!

The king of Denmark has about as much power as the king of Great Britain

Then who has the power to sell Greenland? Also, you may want to watch this:

Edit: I wish he wouldn't call oligarchy democracy though. What he actually hates is "democratic" oligarchy.

 

[Justsomecicada]

Then who has the power to sell Greenland? Also, you may want to watch this:

the parliament?

Also what a retarded meme, if Charles tried to dissolve parliament GB would be a republic so fast your head would spin. And that’s just the best case, the worse case would be constitutional crisis and civil war There is a reason no English monarch has tried it for hundreds of years

 

[Necrosan]

What card does Jill even have at this point? Just favors cause she got Biden to step down after the first debate? Favors only last as long as your are useful and Jill and Joe are no longer useful.

I don't think TPTB would like Kamala to be the first female President under these circumstances. They better keep Joe supercharged.

 

[Ethereal Eye]

I don't think TPTB would like Kamala to be the first female President under these circumstances. They better keep Joe supercharged.

Her being the first "female president" would set such a dogshit precedent for other potential female candidates. It might even ruin a decent woman's chances of getting in in another election due to the sour taste it would leave in everyones mouths for years to come.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

And then dumped all over the south and the Midwest

Say whatever you will - the CIA, supposedly the most disgusting and horrid organization known to man, responsible for mass torture and genocide and murder and all the ooky gooky stuff that your college professor says, expended more money and resources than anyone can truly know in order to get thousands of their allies out of an openly hostile country.

Not too shabby. While there are plenty of awful and fucked up things that the CIA does, especially nowadays, there have been people in the past who did the right thing.

do you have any examples of successful regime change that aren’t 60+ years old? That was a completely different America

Not really. There is a whole thread about this, but a lot of modern CIA and special forces are... well, they played too many video games and watched too many movies growing up. As for the foreign policy bureaucrats, there's been something of a collapse of US foreign policy experts post-Soviet Union - no one saw that coming and an entire generation was trained against an enemy that simply stopped existing. It's sort of a mess.

I'm not defending all our fuck-ups. I'm just trying to say that we do have regime change successes and the end result is good. The communists didn't take over Greece. China didn't get all of the Korean peninsula. Japan (despite all the critics) is successful. In areas where we failed, our enemies usually did worse shit than we did to their own people.

However, I'm very patriotic, so take me with a few grains of salt.

 

[Jade Philosophies]

the parliament?

Also what a retarded meme, if Charles tried to dissolve parliament GB would be a republic so fast your head would spin. There is a reason no English monarch has tried it for hundreds of years

He still has the power to do it though. That's the point. And I would hope the public would then install a democracy. Either with his permission or by force.

 

[Justsomecicada]

He still has the power to do it though.

I don’t see how kings Charles (highly theoretical) power to dissolve parliament has to do with the fact the king of Denmark has no say in selling Greenland. Also the uk is already nominally a parliamentary democracy, do you mean to say republic?

, expended more money and resources than anyone can truly know in order to get thousands of their allies out of an openly hostile country.

Yes then the federal government had to spend a fuck ton of money essentially giving them businesses. In the south we bought a whole fleet of 250k + fishing boats for them while the native fishermen were left being like wtf. We gave god knows how many interest free loans, all sorts of shit. That shit doesn’t exactly make me more pro cia and regime change wars.

 

[Rimanah]

the parliament?

Also what a retarded meme, if Charles tried to dissolve parliament GB would be a republic so fast your head would spin. And that’s just the best case, the worse case would be constitutional crisis and civil war There is a reason no English monarch has tried it for hundreds of years

You say that as if England isn’t heading for civil war anyways.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Yes then the federal government had to spend a fuck ton of money essentially giving them businesses. In the south we bought a whole fleet of 250k + fishing boats for them while the native fishermen were left being like wtf. We have god knows how many interest free loans, all sorts of shit

The difference between the Hmong and other border-hopping freeloaders is that he Hmong actively fought for us for basically two decades. They didn't just get a bunch of free stuff for no reason other than entering the country.

 

[Justsomecicada]

The difference between the Hmong and other border-hopping freeloaders is that he Hmong actively fought for us for basically two decades. They didn't just get a bunch of free stuff for no reason other than entering the country.

It was still free stuff no Native American ever was offered. We took fisheries that were already struggling and doubled the competition. I could care less if they collaborated with us. What if we did that every single time we lost a war? That’s no way to run a country. Do you also think we should have taken in tens of thousands of afghans who fought for us? Tens of thousands of Arabs from Iraq. How can we trust the loyalty of people who collaborated with foreigners in their own countries?

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

It was still free stuff no Native American ever were offered. We took fisheries that were already struggling and doubled the competition. I could care less if they collaborated with us

That's a fair response. You don't have to agree with me or what the US did. I'm just trying to point out that the Hmong sided with us and the US did the right thing getting them out before the communists genocided them, and then making sure they wouldn't struggle once they got here. There are consequences to this for native citizens which you point out.

 

[Kulee Baba]

Walz doesn't exude manliness in any way. When he was walking on stage during the convention he was practically floating in the air like Tinkerbell.

That boy ain't right.

 

[Justsomecicada]

That's a fair response. You don't have to agree with me or what the US did. I'm just trying to point out that the Hmong sided with us and the US did the right thing getting them out before the communists genocided them, and then making sure they wouldn't struggle once they got here. There are consequences to this for native citizens which you point out.

I understand we couldn’t have let them be genocided, but the way we handled the various montegrad groups and south Vietnamese people we brought back home was wrong. You literally had people with 50 year old fishing boats and zero chance of every getting a new one suddenly have to compete with brand new boats and people who gave zero fucks about the fishing laws

I am a fishermen so this just makes me extra asshurt to imagine

 

[Jade Philosophies]

You think a number of debate questions will be about Project 2025 and Jan. 6th? And if you make a drinking game with those topics, you would die of alcohol poisoning?

If she asks him about Project 2025 he should ask her about Agenda 2030 and Project 2050.

 

[mlanguishi]

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That boy ain't right.

You know, walz is like the goofiest freak I can ever remember in politics. Even Pete Buttplug himself acts like a normal guy usually.

Ok, there's one, that California San Fran lunatic Weiner that pushes all the 0 age of consent stuff. Walz really ain't much less bizarre though or fruity.

 

[Justsomecicada]

You say that as if England isn’t heading for civil war anyways.

A very British civil war even

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

I understand we couldn’t have let them be genocided, but the way we handled the various montegrad groups and south Vietnamese people we brought back home was wrong. You literally had people with 50 year old fishing boats and zero chance of every getting a new one suddenly have to compete with brand new boats and people who gave zero fucks about the fishing laws

I am a fishermen so this just makes me extra asshurt to imagine

The alternative was literally abandoning our allies to get slaughtered - which is precisely what the Biden administration did to our people in Afghanistan recently, and what makes the Afghanistan withdrawal so embarrassing. Imagine backing people for two decades and consistently stating you'll help them if the whole situation goes to shit. Then the situation goes to shit and the new guy says "nah, fuck yourselves," and your family gets killed. Not good.

Your asshurt is justified and I support decisions to help our allies like we did the Hmong/South Vietnamese/Montagnards, so we will have to agree to disagree on the subject.