Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Procopius]

Another stop-off point for another batch of unemployed Germans on their way to America? Sounds familiar. A lot of the Mennonites came that way.

Shortly after becoming the next Empress of Russia, a young Catherine II approved a new colonization policy designed to benefit her empire on October 14, 1762.

Catherine’s first Manifesto, issued on December 4, 1762, was printed in Russian, German, French, English, Polish, Czech, and Arabic. This Manifesto was largely symbolic given that the Russian government had not yet established an administrative structure to plan and manage such a large colonization program.

Catherine ’s second Manifesto was issued on July 22, 1763, at the end of the Seven Years' War. She was 34 years old at the time. This Manifesto was perfectly timed to appeal to the war and tax-weary European populace. Copies of the Manifesto were printed in newspapers and on leaflets distributed throughout Europe, focusing on the German-speaking lands where much of the war had been fought. These lands had no national government and comprised many small principalities, counties, duchies, and city-states that were part of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation. Some of these territories, such as the County of Isenburg, did not have legal restrictions preventing their subjects from traveling or migrating to new lands.

The second Manifesto was enhanced to make the offer more specific and attractive. Among the promises made to the colonists were exemption from military service, freedom of religion, a 30-year exemption from taxes, land provided at no cost, and travel expenses paid by the Russian government. At the time, and even by today's standards, this was a very enlightened and generous offer to prospective immigrants.

The Manifesto of 1763 greatly appealed to many seeking a better life. Between 1763 and 1766, over 30,000 people began migrating to Russia.

An Office for the Guardianship of Foreign Settlers was established under Catherine's trusted friend, Count Grigory Orlov, to plan and administer the colonization program. The Guardianship reported directly to Catherine, and Count Orlov wrote about the conditions in Norka in 1769.

The Manifesto was soon followed by many supplementary stipulations. On February 19, 1764, Catherine approved the "agrarian law" for the colonists, which was developed by Grigory Orlov. The law defined the settlement's primary conditions and the foreign settlers' organization.

Several provisions of the 1763 Manifesto were never truly fulfilled, such as the promise that colonists could settle anywhere in the Russian Empire, including towns and cities, and practice their trade. After arriving in Russia, nearly all the colonists were directed to settle in the Volga region near Saratov, where they would primarily work as farmers and practice their trade as time allowed.

After more than 100 years of settlement in Russia, the remaining provisions of the 1763 Manifesto were revoked between 1871 and 1874. The loss of the privileges promised by Catherine sparked another large-scale migration of these ethnic Germans, this time to the Americas.

https://www.norkarussia.info/catherines-manifesto-1763.html

 

[Overly Serious]

Germany and especially France were pushing for an EU army when Bill Clinton and George W. Bush were presidents. But the talks of an EU army stopped under Obama. During the 90s it was predicted the European Union would’ve surpassed the United states as a superpower in 2015. You see video games in the 2000s and doctor who rolling with EU superpower and military at the time.

An EU army has never been that popular with the actual people of the EU countries. During Brexit all mention of an EU army was quietly brushed under the carpet and Nick Clegg (Liberal-Democrat leader at the time) said explicitly during the debates that there were "no plans for an EU army". Which was a bare-faced lie. The moment the Brexit referendum was done all the plans for such came out again.

From an American, ignorant, anti-nationalist point of view that's entirely reasonable. Similar population with better innerconnectedness (when it comes to transportation), similar access to ports, Suez > Panama, Russian resources close by. It makes sense, if you ignore that Europe is not a country, and for it to become one, it would have to basically be destroyed and remade.

I mean that's the reason for NATO it's been joked: "To keep the Americans in, the Russians out and the Germans down". Except, you know, it's not a joke. NATO is a neat way to prevent Europe becoming militarily independent.

 

[boofit]

So now Domodedovo International Airport in Moscow droned
this shit is completely getting out of hand

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[Happy Camper]

Possible Russian counterofffensive in Kursk. Not 100% confirmed yet, but Weeb Union claims that it's credible but that numbers may be slightly embellished based on the source's track record.
Big if true, but you may want to wait for further confirmations.

So now Domodedovo International Airport in Moscow droned
this shit is completely getting out of hand

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"Look, look, we're winning! We delayed some flights by wasting several of our drones on another PR gig! Please scan this QR code to dump money into my bank account."

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

So now Domodedovo International Airport in Moscow droned
this shit is completely getting out of hand

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It was predictable as Ukraine gets more desperate to provoke Russia into overreacting in a way that might draw NATO in.

 

[Dr. Eldon Tyrell]

And that's just the "illegal" way of saying nope. Tagesspiegel (typical liberal left outlet in Germany who are one of the more adamant Ukie mouth pieces) just had an article about two draft dodgers (aged 43 and 28 who left Ukraine for Germany and are now 2 of more than 250000 fighting age Ukrainian males who are living here.

https://archive.ph/ZvQxJ

The 43 year old describes how they were able to bribe the head of the local medical association to get an attest of not being able to fight. He then could just cross the border unchallenged. The 28 year old just married a German roastie (lol).

You don't publish articles like that when you're winning.

It's the only way we can sabotage NATO, our few real commanders and politicians know that there mustn't ever be ww3 with russia but we're occupied U.S. territory after all and not really a self determined nation. We often didn't exactly do what we said (we supplied assad with kampfgas while playing the good ally, for example), which gives me a little hope now, because the weapon deliveries and the constant pro war propaganda was actually scaring me earlier in the conflict, because I didn't know what to make of it then.

Didn't they said they are already in negotiation with the EU to repatriate all those draft dodgers?

However that concludes will determine if my above optimism was justified, then.

 

[Black Spruce]

Those are seasonal jobs that Russians could be doing. Companies love immigration and foreign workers because that means they can get away with paying less than a local would demand, it’s a practice that needs to be banned and harshly punished.

I would love it if my country stopped taking in the entire population of India. But that's not my choice. Russia hasn't been on top of the world economy, so they luckily have not had to deal with economic immigration. Russia and China are going to have to deal with that once the West becomes the new third world.

Your going to be competing against chinks now for those remote oil rig and cargo ship jobs. And they will have favored status over you, and they will work for less.

Imagine a group of people as intelligent as chinks, but physically stronger, less likely to scam you, and you could get away with paying even less because the economy in their home country is even more impoverished than India's. You'd hire them, right? Well at the point I'm talking about, the people you're imagining are white Americans. The new slave laborer of the multi-polar world order.

 

[Susanna]

I would love it if my country stopped taking in the entire population of India. But that's not my choice. Russia hasn't been on top of the world economy, so they luckily have not had to deal with economic immigration. Russia and China are going to have to deal with that once the West becomes the new third world.

And hopefully the way we’ll deal with it is by saying “no thanks” and sending back any westerner who tries.

 

[cybertoaster]

if you are a so called "skilled worker", life can be great there. You can work remote, and enjoy the local general cheapness.

Don't know about SEA but prices in LATAM vary a lot, got a colleague in uruguay (aka: u-r-gay) and he says its expensive af while not being much better than brazil. The really cheap countries like bolivia are total shitholes.

I heard japan is getting cheap now but asian countries in general are a bitch in legal terms for foreigners, they very rarely grant citizenship even if married with kids born there, meanwhile most latino countries take on whoever as long as they assimilate.

You can live in an actual hotel in Vietnam for a month for like 2 million dongs.

 

[Jakub4]

Russia's counteroffensive is underway in the Kursk region. The Ukrainian forces seem completely surprised and literally lost much over 100 square kilometers of territory within the past hours. For now, they quickly withdraw practically without the fight with extensive territories.

 

[High-Fructose Corn Syrup]

Russia's counteroffensive is underway in the Kursk region. The Ukrainian forces seem completely surprised and literally lost much over 100 square kilometers of territory within the past hours. For now, they quickly withdraw practically without the fight with extensive territories.

Lets see if they take it all the way to sumy.

 

[Rubick]

And hopefully the way we’ll deal with it is by saying “no thanks” and sending back any westerner who tries.

As long as they are willing to learn Russian and integrate and most would. I fail to see why you are against this. And unlike the stans, Georgians or current Armenians that migrate to Russia. Westerners would actually be a useful to Russia especially those with degree's in blue color sector.

 

[The Punished Mitch]

I would love it if my country stopped taking in the entire population of India. But that's not my choice. Russia hasn't been on top of the world economy, so they luckily have not had to deal with economic immigration. Russia and China are going to have to deal with that once the West becomes the new third world.

I know this is a very radical notion to my fellow W*stoids but dealing with migration of any kind is very easy, just say no. And if you do say yes because you deem it beneficial to your economy you have them work for x amount of years before deporting them back to whatever shithole you got them from. If Europe and the US weren't run by globalist demons and largely populated by buckbroken cucks the "migration" issue could easily be solved by 01-01-2025

 

[Susanna]

As long as they are willing to learn Russian and integrate and most would. I fail to see why you are against this. And unlike the stans, Georgians or current Armenians that migrate to Russia. Westerners would actually be a useful to Russia especially those with degree's in blue color sector.

I'm against it because I care about the Russian working class. Importing cheap labour from shitty countries into a capitalist economy depresses salaries, whether the migrants speak Russian or not. And the *stanis, Georgians, and Armenians all speak better Russian than westerners, so by your argument I'd much rather have them than you lot. If Russia were still a communist utopia I'd be all for immigration, because employment wouldn't be a competitive market, but in reality it's one of the purest capitalist societies in the world right now. I also plain don't like the concept of people fleeing failed states for successful ones, you have a duty to help fix your home. Russia's duty as an anti-imperialist state in turn is to help you fix your country, but that's done by supplying arms and training to your revolutionaries, and solidarity once you establish a functional and moral society (and we do the same), not by stealing away workers who will be sorely needed at home.

Western states are failing because capitalism and imperialism (capitalism brought to its logical conclusion) are fundamentally flawed ideologies. The solution isn't to flee to greener pastures (and today's Russia very much isn't a greener pasture), it's to overthrow the villains driving your society into the ground. Establish a dictatorship of the proletariat first, then we can discuss proletarian internationalism, okay?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

The irony of complaining about migrants in one thread then discussing becoming migrants in Russia, Latin America or Asia in this thread would be comical if it wasn't so pathetic.

 

[ConsentAccidentVictimNo98]

"I ended the Nordstream Pipeline" - Trump (during the debate around the time I posted).

So ha, Trump, a Russian Agent, admitted to blowing the pipeline and it was not Ukraine that did. #NAFO

Double post, but dang, during the debate Lady Javelin got a mention



Amen to Saint Javelin, who as we all know allowed Ukraine to march from Kursk to Moscow.

 

[Derka Derka]

Russia's counteroffensive is underway in the Kursk region. The Ukrainian forces seem completely surprised and literally lost much over 100 square kilometers of territory within the past hours. For now, they quickly withdraw practically without the fight with extensive territories.

I assumed they would leave it open as a cauldron, as long as the Ukies kept sending in fresh meat through their stretched (and exposed) logistic lines.

edit: After watching Weebs update, it looks like they are creating a more restrictive bottleneck (only allowing them to use a handful of roads to get in/out)

 

[EscapeVorkuta]

The irony of complaining about migrants in one thread then discussing becoming migrants in Russia, Latin America or Asia in this thread would be comical if it wasn't so pathetic.

Hearing conservatives complain about the government and threaten to leave for shitholes like Mexico of all places during Covid was a massive revelation to me. I refuse to victimize myself and just abandon my country. History has taught me that the pendulum often swings back and forth.

 

[Saleh]

I'm against it because I care about the Russian working class. Importing cheap labour from shitty countries into a capitalist economy depresses salaries, whether the migrants speak Russian or not. And the *stanis, Georgians, and Armenians all speak better Russian than westerners, so by your argument I'd much rather have them than you lot. If Russia were still a communist utopia I'd be all for immigration, because employment wouldn't be a competitive market, but in reality it's one of the purest capitalist societies in the world right now. I also plain don't like the concept of people fleeing failed states for successful ones, you have a duty to help fix your home. Russia's duty as an anti-imperialist state in turn is to help you fix your country, but that's done by supplying arms and training to your revolutionaries, and solidarity once you establish a functional and moral society (and we do the same), not by stealing away workers who will be sorely needed at home.

Western states are failing because capitalism and imperialism (capitalism brought to its logical conclusion) are fundamentally flawed ideologies. The solution isn't to flee to greener pastures (and today's Russia very much isn't a greener pasture), it's to overthrow the villains driving your society into the ground. Establish a dictatorship of the proletariat first, then we can discuss proletarian internationalism, okay?

Russia being anti-imperialist doesn't mean they didn't gain anything from Tsarist imperialism or that they don't want to conserve those imperial conquests. (as shown by the Chechen wars)

 

[Betonhaus]

The irony of complaining about migrants in one thread then discussing becoming migrants in Russia, Latin America or Asia in this thread would be comical if it wasn't so pathetic.

There are some key differences that need to be accounted for. Migrants to America are not verified or really tracked, are effectively the shittiest people of their home nation's, and immediately get government welfare and are sent to the largest cities to be a drain on the economy. Migrants to Russia still have standards they must meet, and are sent to undeveloped land with the intent that they develop that land into habitable farms and towns.