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[I'mma real anime gurl]

146,959 posts so I guess at least some people care about it.

Yea but I doubt that the people care about the traditional media or the opinions of Jornos about how rude the Orange man is. They're probably thinking about Haiti, how the moderators were being cunts, and Cackles treating them like children. This debate isn't a huge fucking landslide win or a fucking loss, it's a exercise in fighting against gaslighting that Trump managed to succeed in. Kamala could only get out four vague ideas for policies that nobody questioned the logic of where as Trump seemed to have at least a plan on what to do in a good portion of questions when he's not fighting a liar. She has no plan and every single thing she has is copied from someone else.

 

[Greasy Goblin]

I just want to bring up that dumb cunt on ABC before this started. The guy before her at least had something to say, and she chimes in with "Trump called Kamala dumb, how will women as a class ever recover". Just because both you and Kamala are retarded doesn't mean Trump calling Kamala retarded means he's calling all women retarded. He's just calling retards retarded, which frankly we need more of.

(Timestamped)

I fucking love his stunned "Uh... n-no it won't..." how can he put up with that shit

Now THIS is what women hating looks like

 

[F-16 Viper]

32 long was once considered an adequate cartridge and its not like people evolved to defend against bullets in the time since. you can get 5.7 at bass pro, its not even uncommon anymore

Doesn't mean it's a good cartridge. It's expensive, and performs noticably worse then much cheaper rounds like 9mm.

It didn't make sense when NATO asked for it as a PDW cartridge, it makes even less sense as a defensive civilian round.

 

[Keystone]

Trump isn't losing Pennsylvania after he took a bullet for America in that state.

The jew governor in that state might disagree.

 

[Jade Philosophies]

If Trump actually becomes a dictator, I'm jumping in line to be part of his Death Squad
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Get it right, it's MAGAFORCE.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

Her using the Dick Cheney and Bush Administration endorsements as a flex is a usable moment though ... For the Trump campaign, that is.

Her "Goldman Sachs loves my economic plan" quote is a really good clip to use against her too.

Harris said quite a lot of things to turn off Independent voters. No independent voter is going to get excited about a candidate endorsed by Dick Cheney, lmao.

I can't wait for the next few weeks to see the debate age poorly for her

 

[Sammich]

Harris said quite a lot of things to turn off Independent voters. No independent voter is going to get excited about a candidate endorsed by Dick Cheney, lmao.

I"m not sure about the Cheney stuff, do many voters even remember him or the evil shit done? I would be willing to bet at least 3/4 of the dem voters have no clue what halliburton even was.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

No one ever thinks "I won that debate, I want another one!"

bad gamblers do. Bossman Jack won 6 figures then went "let's go for more"

. And that I See Dead People Sora

nothing makes me feel old like knowing he's an accurate parody of a vice president, JD was in high school when Kingdom Hearts came out.

Null’s opinions on anything

the forum basically had to go into open revolt to get Android Raptor kicked off, Null mostly agreed with Android Raptor and HHH on literally every issue, the only reason he hates trannies is because one rejected him super early on.

Never ask a specialist for things outside their specialty as it goes.

and Null's such a specialist he was in special ed!

 

[AnotherPleb]

The jew governor in that state might disagree.

You mean the same one she snubbed as a VP candidate?

I"m not sure about the Cheney stuff, do many voters even remember him or the evil shit done? I would be willing to bet at least 3/4 of the dem voters have no clue what halliburton even was.

"Harris is supported by the man that dragged us into Afghanistan and Iraq."

 

[Historical Strelkov]

Don't attribute to planned easily when stupidity works. I don't think ABC would set up Trump to get some hits like that.

I do believe they coached her though. Gave questions to help and had in tank for her. But to also script with Trump to make this some sort of performance scripted thing? Yeah right.

I meant to say that Trump's bits were unscripted, and thats why those parts seemed to go awry.
It was ostensibly supposed to be:

1. Trump is set up with a tough question.
2. He answers.
3. Kamala would then be given another question that would allow her to dunk on trump.

Trump was the unscripted element in their routine, and that's why whenever he could, he threw them a curveball. He would re direct the topic to a previous one, or propose something new.
He would upend a topic that was disadvantageous, and something that was irrelevant, and then make an interjection about how bad Biden and Kamala's foreign policy or economics is.
People were saying he missed points that he could have made, and that's true but in the end Trump basically unloaded every major "fuck you" point to her.

When he said he's for exceptions in abortion, Kamala's canned answer was such that it directly contradicted what Trump had just said, after blaming Trump for all the individual states voting to ban abortion.
As in, the answer is scripted, and she didn't deviate, modify it.
Sometimes Trump could guess where it was going. Sometimes Trump would think to answer a question with an answer that people didn't understand had a relationship to the question.
When Trump was doing well he was introducing an idea, then taking that idea and spinning it out across several other concepts that were related. Then he would then come back to what he started with.
No one could do anything about that, because it was 3 or 4 related things at the same time.

Trump knows how entertainment works, he saved his best punches for last because his "Trump card" was getting the last word in.
The last few times Trump spoke he went for all of the things that break the mold like "She is a Marxist", "Why doesn't she go and get it done right now", "She is Biden".
A lot of the flubs with Trump are because everyone is looking for a faux pas for him to trip up on.
The issue is that Trump was able to use these wedge issue concepts that the public probably isn't aware of to freak out Kamala.
Kamala doesn't want to be asked questions about her heritage or background, so they spin it into Obama and try and make her look like shes doing something progressive! We are NOT going back! A new way forward!
Trump saying that Kamala hates Israel seems like a weird attack on her character to her audience, but then when she tries to talk about it, she says nothing really complimentary about Israel. It's cope.
Trump basically telling the Jews "its me or Israel is gone in 2 years" is wild to the average observer, but I'm sure that hit its intended target. I think Trump was being very precise on specific topics and that will stick with each of those groups. Mentioning how some Union person endorses Kamala doesn't really matter because they're gonna send your job to Mexico and it will be a Chinese company is specific, and so is the solution. It's directly for any auto worker, addressing their needs.

One of the interesting things was seeing people complain about "Concepts of plans" when Trump had just previously stated that his choice in regards to Obamacare was "let it rot or run it the best way it could be run" implying that the default state for obamacare is "running it the best he can" until he can put together an actual plan from several concepts he has. This makes him "seem unprepared", but in actuality reflects on a general inability to follow the most basic paragraph structure, while looking for a sentence that sounds bad. Optically it looks bad to people because they have a desperation around health insurance. All democrat issues are issues of desperation. The climate, healthcare, gun violence, they're all dire circumstances and that's why the democrat language is an appeal to emotions around those things. With Trump, they asked him the most bullshit question they could think of about Obamacare, because Trump hates Obamacare and if he cuts it politically he's on record cutting everyone's health insurance. I'm sure social security is the same thing. These programs are dumb as shit on paper in this era, and even if they were at one time good or a good idea, they're just not good systems. They aren't even the best version of what they could be, and Trump knows it. I suspect he also knows average plebs don't have the attention span or interest to understand these complex issues he has to explain his fix for in 1 minute.

Overall this debate felt more like the strategy for Trump was to come out and scold everybody. He seemed to start slow and gain in intensity and bluntness as the debate ramped up.
Now, the only thing I can think about this, is that his strategy was to dominate Kamala's confidence and make her look weak. That's why I think he kept re-iterating how bad things are and how bad they made it, and how we could end up in world war 3. If the left is going to ring the alarms about Russia and the climate destroying the planet then hey all that war and immigration and woah Russia might nuke people. It's like seeing an inverted version of what the left does.

I think the initial feeling that "Harris won" to folks will immediately be replaced by dread. I don't think this was a confident performance by Harris at all.
Maybe the fear of the State's super-villain arch enemy running the country and trying to fix it in his way is enough to beat Trump in the election. But, I think this performance was meant to galvanize Trump supporters, and bully the status quo of how politicians are supposed to act and speak to people. Trump acted in no way like a politician here. He acted like a New Yorker. There was something decidedly blue collar and of the moment the way he spoke. At times it felt like he was talking about stuff that was on twitter the other day, while Kamala was speaking in a calculated politician pattern, weaving platitudes about how we need to come together and be good people right now and defeat evil trump.
If people are hating on the moderators, good. This debate shows how the media is more insidious than politicians.
Politicians are stupid and have a lot of power given to them by someone putting money in their pocket.
Journalists are like jannies, and have a petty amount of power they exercise for way less pay than that. At least these "politicians" get real money for their lies and sedition.

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

Lately I've been feeling very doomer about the election and this didn't improve that mood. We all know the media, the tech industry and hollywood are all pushing Kamala as hard as they fucking can. Seeing her actually speak and how much she mugs for the camera whenever she thinks she got off some epic little quip just disgusts me. And this is the bitch that is going to get elected. Either by our retarded population who've been brainrotted by tiktok. Or if it's stolen AGAIN.

I think Harris will win. And we'll get America turned into a mixture of South Africa, Haiti, and Brazil within a generation.

I'm feeling very doomy looking at the post debate headlines crowing that she won and it's all ogre for Trump. He did good in the first 5 minutes or so, but once she wound him up into taking the bait and sperging out while she sat there smug and played all her rehearsed emotional appeal soundbites it was done. He got some good points in there but in the overall style, not substance, she won and that's what matters to the mainstream. That, plus the Swift endorsement is a 1-2 combo.

If he doesn't do another debate he's bitchmade, especially after calling her out for only wanting to do one.

It bums me out because if she wins they're going to open the borders wide, kill Elon's space contracts, double down on the trans shit especially with kids, and ramp up the forever wars.

I really believe RFK and Trump could make a difference with dismantling the MIC and Deep State, the surveillance culture, and most especially the ultraprocessed foods and Big Pharma that is literally killing us. If they lose, all that will be discredited and thrown away.

I can't see me caring about politics anymore if Harris wins. I don't want to sit there and watch the country die. I think I'll just take care of my own health, worry about my friends, family, and keeping my personal finances sustainable to live out my days. Mentally, I'll just check out of society and go live in the world of an 80s Trapper Keeper where things are rad:

 

[AnitaSarsleezian]

Just a break in the debate arguing to remind everyone the Trump curse is real.

 

[Kid Named Rocket]

@Historical Strelkov
A small part of me wants to say you're giving Trump too much credit, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense.

Also, to all the people saying Kamala won because she didn't burst into tears and shit herself on stage – did you NOT read all the posts warning you against this exact sort of thinking 100 pages ago, before the debate? You lowered your standards too far, and when she managed to barely meet them, you're all suddenly crowing that this is a "win" for her. To me, it just seems like an excuse to doompost.
Maybe you guys should stop being such fucking cowards and actually have a little hope for once.

 

[like_shutup_&_drive_scoob]

Just a break in the debate arguing to remind everyone the Trump curse is real.
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I can tell I'm online too much when I literally said, "oh man the Trump curse strikes again!" out loud... but really what were the chances that a few weeks after Trump uses his song and Grohl loses his shit over it- his entire public image is destroyed and his Wife/3 Daughters likely despise him now.

Who woulda thought? Not me.

 

[Equal Rights for Androids]

I am 150 pages behind and the last post I was on before this morning was 7186
God I hope there's some good shit in here from the debate

 

[Susanna]

Happy 9/11 all y’all!

 

[Sekirodiealot]

Oh, thank god the tranny behind an irrelevant channel has finally chimed in on the election!
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i forgot they exist

 

[like_shutup_&_drive_scoob]

Happy 9/11 all y’all!

Nothing Happy about the boomers in government going nuts and destroying our freedoms just to not even stop terrorism in the west 23 years later.

... I was in a hotel when the first tower fell and my parents turned on the TV, began to cry as we saw people jumping out of windows live on air. My dad kept trying to figure out what the hell was happening and turning on both radios at the same time at different stations. We all huddled together in front of that cheap little TV and saw the second tower fall.

It didn't help that my dad was so shocked that when my mom asked why they were jumping he didn't sugar coat it in front of me- "better to die like that then suffocate and burn to death."

I'll never forget the look in his eyes when he said it. I'd never seen him so upset in my life.

I couldn't grasp the enormity of what was happening but I knew a lot of people who worked in banking like my daddy were being killed and jumping to their death.

I also remember news of Mussies dancing on the roof in NYC as they watched... That shit stays with you at age 7- even half way across the country.

I always felt afraid of Muslim men since, it had nothing to do with my parents and everything to do with me hearing about them celebrating such evil after committing it.

There's something fundamentally not right about Muslims and I want them out of the Western world.

 

[LightDragonman1]

A few predictable takeaways that the MSM are saying about the debate, with a quick description).

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/09/11/trump-harris-debate-3-takeaways-analysis-00178484

(Apparently, it is clear Harris won the face-off)

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gdnl9pg1wo

(Harris's goading threw Trump off his game)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2024/presidential-debate-voter-poll/

(Swing-states are now leaning Harris)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/10/debate-trump-harris-2024-live-updates/75145043007/

(Trump was mainly on the defensive)

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/11/opinion/trump-harris-debate.html

(Trump made a rambling fool of himself)

https://slate.com/business/2024/09/debate-donald-trump-kamala-harris-winner.html

(Apparently, the moderators made the best showing)

So all in all, what you'd expect from these sites. Any truth to them (probably small).

 

[Amin Yasister]

Why does something that Taylor Swift said have such an impact on how the Americans will vote? Is she a highly regarded political expert?