US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

I believe that we can have female leaders, but it's like how they don't actually have male and female sports in most cases.

Yes, we can. The thing about that however is that this type of woman is perceived as cold-hearted, calculating, sometimes detached and unemotional. Margaret Thatcher and Angela Merkel (in her earlier years) come to mind. Kamala has none of their qualities. She's just an unhinged sociopath and it fucking shows.

 

[TroonFiringSquad]

I don't think the debate was a W for Trump but it's also an L for Kamala because what she really needed was Trump to flip out and act like a child and that didn't really happen. Trump actually gave some decent retorts, one of her main things to beat on Trump with is Project 2025 and he once again shut it down. She'd have been better off not mentioning that at all.

 

[BigGuyOS 6 : Jovial Janny]

I haven't heard it before now, but it means people that were born in the middle of what is considered to be the end of millennial and beginning of zoomer. I don't think it's that retarded.

So it's a Journo word for 30 year olds who pretend to be hip? Literally the 30 year old boomer right here.

 

[Forest Portal Triumph 747]

So it's a Journo word for 30 year olds who pretend to be hip? Literally the 30 year old boomer right here.

it's a word that exists because the set of people born in 1994 is arguably quite different from the set of people born in 1984, despite both being millennials, but at the same time are quite distinct from zoomies born around 2001 because of the rapidly changing world

so zillennials became a thing

 

[StarkRavingMad]

I don't think the debate was a W for Trump but it's also an L for Kamala because what she really needed was Trump to flip out and act like a child and that didn't really happen. Trump actually gave some decent retorts, one of her main things to beat on Trump with is Project 2025 and he once again shut it down. She'd have been better off not mentioning that at all.

The reaction to this uninteresting debate has been interesting, haha.

I'm seeing a lot of Trump supporters talking about missed opportunities and how the moderators were insanely biased.

And I'm seeing a lot of Kamala supporters just focusing on how mean Trump is, and how he commanded the stage too much.

Generally speaking, neither side is acting like their candidate "won" the debate (and even when someone does say it, it's really not enthusiastic whatsoever). And, in my opinion, that isn't what the Harris campaign needed, which is why they are asking for another debate in October. A real winner wouldn't be immediately asking for that; they'd be resting on their laurels as they wait for their opponent to make the next move.

 

[thediad]

The "pundits" are trying to polish a turd.

She looked like a smug cunt and had her nose up in the air the entire time. That literally only appeals to the "yassss queen!" crowd.

Like I said last night, her body language gave me 2016 Hillary vibes, which didn't go over well with the voters.

This election the vast majority of people want more than "She seems nice!" People are struggling and want solutions. The Dems just keep giving them "Orange man bad!"

 

[0713]

Sorry for asking to be spoon-fed, but what's the answer to this question?

How are the betting markets doing?

it's also an L for Kamala because what she really needed was Trump to flip out and act like a child and that didn't really happen. Trump actually gave some decent retorts, one of her main things to beat on Trump with is Project 2025 and he once again shut it down. She'd have been better off not mentioning that at all.

Wild. That's the complete opposite of what I'm hearing any moderate normie saying.

 

[Chuckwagon]

After sleeping on it I'm not too concerned about the media overwhelmingly positive-review-bombing Harris, that was always going to happen. This is after all the most intensely astroturfed presidential campaign in history, easily rivaling if not surpassing Obama's runs and 2020 (if only because of how much more work the press has to put in to boost Harris), and I had no doubt that the fallout of this debate would be no exception.

I think Trump did a decent job. Sure he didn't get any 'I don't know what [Biden] said there and I don't think he does either'-level killshot in this time; but IMO he held his ground in a blatantly unfair 3v1, avoided giving Harris & the jannies any similarly strong hits in, and got a few zingers of his own in (not only hijacking Harris' own 'I'm speaking' trick but politely telling her to quiet down again later, and her actually doing so, stood out). Fantastic closing speech too. He did get heated at times but never to the point of an incomprehensible temper tantrum, and the fact that he had to fight against 3:1 odds mitigates that somewhat IMO. It looks like Harris' team wants a second debate after all so Trump might get an opportunity to land that killshot next time, but more than that, he should use this opportunity to score himself a more neutral battleground & moderators too - Harris clearly got to choose this battlefield. Speaking of which, the moderators beclowned themselves by so overtly doing all the heavy lifting for Harris and interrupting her maybe once while doing the same to Trump probably fifty times or more throughout this hour & a half long mess. More good news for Trump in that this is as hostile an environment as he can debate in without the jannies actively shooting at him every time he talks, he could even choose CNN again for Round #2 and face less bias than he did last night.

Immigration and the economy were the best points he could've hit Harris on, so good on him for keeping a consistent focus on those & also how much better off the country was under his stewardship. Also thought Trump did well in navigating the abortion minefield early on. That was a setup full of lethal traps and I believe he threaded the needle between supporting his own Supreme Court striking down Roe + coming around to support upholding Florida's six-week ban by going on the attack re: the Dems' killing of babies that have been born alive wherever they can. Good on him to throw that Molochian fuck Northam's comments in the moderators' faces when they tried to factcheck him live, they shut up and abandoned the topic once he did that, but I wish he had also pointed to Walz's own support for such laws in Minnesota too. No matter, I guess he has to leave something for Vance at the VP debate. Going too hard on opposing a national ban or whatever risks alienating the super die-hard soc-con crowd in an election where he needs sky-high base turnout, I think avoiding going that far (without going full retard and saying he supports such a ban also) was the right call in the end.

Israel/Palestine was Harris' own minefield and unlike Trump, I think she absolutely did set those mines off. Trump must've rattled her pretty good to get her to fly off-script & commit to Israel's side so explicitly after her first remarks on the subject were the usual wishy-washy 'I support BOTH Israel and Palestine' word salad. Just as Trump can't afford to turn off the zealous pro-lifers, Harris can't afford to suppress turnout among Muslims & college commies, but I think in that moment she failed that task hard - if she hadn't already done so when she publicly celebrated her endorsement by Cheney & other neocons and also praised the 'late great' McCain. Her laughing at Trump talking about the Haitians in Springfield eating geese & pets was another moment that's going to reflect poorly on her in the days ahead: already another conservative news outlet, The Federalist, has gotten a police report & recording from that town about Haitians dragging geese away. (Archive) And more generally she seemed to focus way too much on bashing Trump and not nearly enough on giving out concrete policy details & reasons to actually vote for her, also a poor move given how policy-light her campaign's been to date. Finally, needing the moderators to so obviously cover her ass and fight for her (I would love a breakdown of how much she spoke vs. how much the jannies spoke for her) doesn't reflect well on her either.

Tl;dr my impression is that this debate wasn't particularly decisive, but it was overall a W for Trump. He could've done much worse given the circumstances, and Harris should've done much better with the advantages that were originally given to Biden also being given to her. And that bodes well for their next debate, I do believe; as I said, I can't imagine any other batch of moderators being even more in the tank for Harris next time unless they just try to straight up assassinate Trump again on the stage.

 

[BigGuyOS 6 : Jovial Janny]

it's a word that exists because the set of people born in 1994 is arguably quite different from the set of people born in 1984, despite both being millennials, but at the same time are quite distinct from zoomies born around 2001 because of the rapidly changing world

so zillennials became a thing

There is a very easy zoomer test: are you old enough to remember 9/11? If you are, you're not a zoomer.

 

[Mourning_Cloak]

I believe that we can have female leaders, but it's like how they don't actually have male and female sports in most cases.

The majority of women that are allowed to rise to any significant level of power in the West tend to be left wing (which is due in part to women being allowed to "leave the kitchen" in the first place originating from classical liberalism). Modern "feminism" has ordered that in order to be a "strong independent girlboss" you have to be a childless, bitchy, unlikeable hag who is also usually unattractive.

Of course there are female right wing politicians and leaders but they get slammed hard in the media for not having the right opinions and "internalized muhsoggynees." They usually aren't allowed to get very far, especially if they're too "based."

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

I listened to the debate again neutrally and immigration question portion was cumalas's strongest response.

Other than that, Trump won on all points INCLUDING abortion.

 

[Fahrenheit451]

Do you guys think positive polling for kamala will last long?

Polling has been moving in Trump's favor for a while now, so it's been over. Hell, according to Rich and Co, she's been losing in her internals for over a month now and is down almost 2 in PA.

 

[Focken Kiwi]

To me, it just makes her come off and condescending and elitist.

The company I work for recently hired this black woman. She's very nice and polite but she's of the same stock that you might see over in the Niggers Eating Cornstarch thread. I overheard her speaking to a conservative lady coworker this morning and she noted that "Kamala didn't have anything to offer women. She's only interested in herself." If a person in her demographic is saying that, imagine what others are saying.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

This election the vast majority of people want more than "She seems nice!" People are struggling and want solutions. The Dems just keep giving them "Orange man bad!"

My analysis of the debate:

Trump needed to decidedly annihilate her, but that unfortunately did not happen until his closing statements. The moderators turned the ENTIRE debate into "Orange Man Bad" and put Trump on the defense for the majority of the debate, and I also believe that Trump took Harris' bait a couple of times when he shouldn't have.

Kamala needed to give a reason for people to vote FOR her and not just against Trump. She failed spectacularly at that, and while the moderators helped her dictate what the debate was about, they also hurt her because she did nothing to talk about why she's so great.

 

[BatterHomes&Gardens]

Asking Null’s opinions on anything beyond fat women, running a forum, or the few lolcows he follows is asking for frustration. Mostly because he’ll say some retarded shit and double down out of spite. (Mostly on guns, holy shit Null has terrible opinions on guns).

Although Null can moderate his tone when he’s talking to people. Through text he sounds like a jackass. To bring this back to US politics meat and cheese where the entire website tore him one.

it is unfortunate. josh is in a unique spot to be the change the so desperately wants to be. maybe one day he will see the gold mine and level of influence he could have at the farms if he just tweaked his mind set about politics.

josh you have 1,000s of people coming to your site every day to just discuses politics. i would be willing to bet there are some people who visit the farms who are in a position to make change but josh just wants nothing to do with us retards.


i wonder if the LOLCows get more daily traffic than the A&N forums. speaking for myself, i almost never check the lol sections of the site. i just don't care, beyond 10 minutes here or there about those idiots.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

In a just world in which God still watches, Cheney never would have gotten into power and would have died when he should have.

2 Timothy 4:7-8 KJV

I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Sometimes, you gotta set 'em up to knock 'em down

 

[Justsomecicada]

Hunters/trappers who hunt bobcats say they're one of the tastiest animals, second to mountain lion.

I’ve tried bobcat, it’s very stringy

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

Pundits, even right-leaning ones, are saying Kamala smiling compared to Trump's frowning makes her more appealing to undecided voters. To me, it just makes her come off and condescending and elitist.

I think it's the media thing. No matter where they stand, all the journoscums are same sect.

 

[The Nothingness]

Generally speaking, neither side is acting like their candidate "won" the debate (and even when someone does say it, it's really not enthusiastic whatsoever). And, in my opinion, that isn't what the Harris campaign needed, which is why they are asking for another debate in October. A real winner wouldn't be immediately asking for that; they'd be resting on their laurels as they wait for their opponent to make the next move.

And despite his performance, Trump got some zingers in that may get voters to question the narrative. All Harris had was "MAGA extremists will rape women and force them to full term!" (paraphrasing, obviously)

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

And despite his performance, Trump got some zingers in that may get voters to question the narrative. All Harris had was "MAGA extremists will rape women and force them to full term!" (paraphrasing, obviously)

I enjoyed the part wher Trump basically says cumala is baiting women. She can't never do what she is promising. She is full of shit lmao.