Debate watch! - Fuck yeah!

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who won?????

  • big T

    Votes: 902 46.8%
  • little T

    Votes: 200 10.4%
  • tie

    Votes: 352 18.3%
  • indian woman

    Votes: 248 12.9%
  • Black woman

    Votes: 224 11.6%

  • Total voters
    1,926
In what way? I mean the establishment ones are dead set against, the sane ones, the ones not working for a big business and elite world that hates them, are somewhat warmer on them. (not enough though)
Protectionism ends up being nothing but a "poor tax". The result is that people who can't afford the more expensive goods that are now being produced domestically basically get nothing.
If your goal is for domestic citizens to produce more goods and have more domestic manufacturing jobs, the smarter path would be removing regulatory barriers and tax barriers that prevent them from doing so.
 
what surprised me is the sheer inhumanity of the left in all this. eating pets is fine because the police they normally hate didnt follow through on their jobs, theyre reduced to defending the worst of the immigrants now who dont even have "muh tacos" and cackling as old women are forced to flee from crime, little kids being slain means we need to bully the parents into denouncing muh racism, covering up for post birth child murder, just the sheer bare cruelty ive seen

its this weird inverse bias where theyll rush to mental gymnastics for every other group except their own. all i have to say is i wish people with that amount of self hatred would just kill themselves and leave the rest of us alone. evil "wicked people ". yeah kinda old but i dont remember it being this blatant before. i feel like at any point theyll just start praising moloch and child murder to own the right.
This wasn't enough for you?
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This wasn't enough for you?
its just i feel the hatred was always couched in something before you know? enough to make me think they were just misguided or something. abortion always had like "oh the raped, oh the desperate single mothers" immigration always had "well what about pablo, and his family, and tacos amirite?" or "well islam kinda has a point about tradition here or there right?" even. things where i could believe alot of people were just fucking stupid.

but we really are just seeing that nothing matters to them. migrants are now just damaging the environment and poaching even if you dont believe the pet stories from ohio natives, doesnt even matter that theyre black, doesnt matter if your son is killed, doesnt matter if they literally bring nothing, youll accept it, because we want you to because we hate you and everything good.

and just the sheer speed and ferocity of it man. i thought of them as traitorous worms who were tired, not actively demonic people

Edit ambiguous phrasing on doesn't matter if they're black I mean some of the complaints were from black people about Haitians
 
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what surprised me is the sheer inhumanity of the left in all this. eating pets is fine because the police they normally hate didnt follow through on their jobs, theyre reduced to defending the worst of the immigrants now who dont even have "muh tacos" and cackling as old women are forced to flee from crime, little kids being slain means we need to bully the parents into denouncing muh racism, covering up for post birth child murder, just the sheer bare cruelty ive seen

its this weird inverse bias where theyll rush to mental gymnastics for every other group except their own. all i have to say is i wish people with that amount of self hatred would just kill themselves and leave the rest of us alone. evil "wicked people ". yeah kinda old but i dont remember it being this blatant before. i feel like at any point theyll just start praising moloch and child murder to own the right.
Weren't cats the most sacred animal on the internet at one point? funny how they'll throw them under the bus for the sake of rapefugees.
 
what surprised me is the sheer inhumanity of the left in all this. eating pets is fine because the police they normally hate didnt follow through on their jobs, theyre reduced to defending the worst of the immigrants now who dont even have "muh tacos" and cackling as old women are forced to flee from crime, little kids being slain means we need to bully the parents into denouncing muh racism, covering up for post birth child murder, just the sheer bare cruelty ive seen
I'm all for shutting down the borders, kicking these people back to where they belong and deflating their dinghies in the middle of the sea, but the "eating pets" narrative was last minute disinfo. Allexis Ferrell is the woman that ate someone's cat in Canton OH (not Springfield) and she's homegrown Basketball American trash. I have no doubt that Haitian immigrants somewhere are hunting pigeons and ducks in a city park (and then vigorously washing the meat with Dawn dish soap in their section 8 sinks), but the Ohio case is a red-blooded American crackhead.
 
Trump's 2016 campaign was so successful because he appealed to apathetic voters
I'd credit Gamergate, that dumpsterfire from 2014 really got a lot of apolitical involved in political convos about the media narritives, deep state power and the kayfabe nature of politics. When Trump talked about fake news he cunningly grabbed that large constituency.

It's funny how the Ethics in Video Games side lost pretty much every culture war and games have become unedingly pozzed while the third wave feminist side lost Hillary's presidency.

I bet most feminists would sacrifice girl dick in WRPGs for 3 Supreme court appointments and most gamers would gladly give Roe/Wade back to the federal government in return for a Duke Nukem game where he curbstomps tranny pig cops.

I'd give it all back in return for the old pre 2016 conspiracy channels on YouTube. Metokur said "you use to be able to search the term 'Nigger fight' on YouTube and find 1 billion results". I have kids now and one day I'm going to have to explain to them why that was a better world.
 
I'm all for shutting down the borders, kicking these people back to where they belong and deflating their dinghies in the middle of the sea, but the "eating pets" narrative was last minute disinfo. Allexis Ferrell is the woman that ate someone's cat in Canton OH (not Springfield) and she's homegrown Basketball American trash. I have no doubt that Haitian immigrants somewhere are hunting pigeons and ducks in a city park (and then vigorously washing the meat with Dawn dish soap in their section 8 sinks), but the Ohio case is a red-blooded American crackhead.
that makes it worse though since it means blacks do it regardless of how long theyve been here, theres a reason whenever they "debunk" with that its only the comments pointing out the race. also springfielders are reporting migrants eating their pets the police are refusing to do their jobs

Weren't cats the most sacred animal on the internet at one point? funny how they'll throw them under the bus for the sake of rapefugees.
not even the usual tepid "well thats bad but muh underprivileged muh socio economic, give them mercy" its just full on "fuck the cats fuck the geese fuck the environment" i think these people legit think the environment is only important to preserve brown foreigners and future anchor babies, and if the browns throw the environment away its theirs to toss in the bin
 
Betting markets aren't impressed by Trump's showing thus far with things shifting to Harris. The Springfield thing and abortion bill thing are going to haunt him for a bit. He hasn't done himself any favors tonight, especially considering how much more important the early parts of the debate are versus the entirety.
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I don't get why people treat betting markets like they're more legit than the polls

It's just their opinion, and they don't have any more information than anyone else, just the same polls!
 
I mean, we can joke, but if you remember the hundreds of clips of people saying "I wish the bullet hadn't missed" and try to think from their perspective, the below starts to make more sense when they believe their morally obligated to stop "literally Hitler"

people say all kinds of shit from the sidelines, but it hits a lot different when you're staring down the barrel of something that has extremely serious legal consequences, especially if you've signed a paper swearing that both God and the state are allowed to ram you up the asshole if you abuse the trust of your office. besides, a local conspiracy would stand out on a national backdrop; if you believe the election was actually fraudulently swung for Biden, the most believable explanation (IMO) is a wide-scale effort across multiple states which would have to be organized by somebody in or adjacent to the national party - that "somebody" being a group of highly connected, politically affiliated operators, elected or not.

I don't get why people treat betting markets like they're more legit than the polls

It's just their opinion, and they don't have any more information than anyone else, just the same polls!

polling data can be manipulated for political reasons while betting markets are ostensibly apolitical, being driven only by raw desire for profit. I don't believe either option has an exclusive license on the truth, but I understand why people feel the betting markets are a more trustworthy sense of public sentiment.
 
Sounds to me like you're just burnt out on lolcows. This year has been a great harvest so far.
I'm also, based entirely on intuition, a decent amount older than most users here. I've identified a few other wise elders here and almost all of us barely ever visit the lolcow sections. After a certain age, k-smog and batboy getting caught flipping a grunt just doesn't elicit any emotional response at all.
 
the most believable explanation (IMO) is a wide-scale effort across multiple states which would have to be organized by somebody in or adjacent to the national party - that "somebody" being a group of highly connected, politically affiliated operators, elected or not.
I think it has moreso to do with the broader socialization of these thought processes where individuals find it acceptable to behave a certain way (be it rigging, ballot harvesting, whatever) without being explicitly told to do so because it's toeing the party line.
 
I don't get why people treat betting markets like they're more legit than the polls

It's just their opinion, and they don't have any more information than anyone else, just the same polls!

Uhhh.... because there is money on the line. There are a ton of ways to manipulate polling data to fit your agenda but the bookies agenda is not loosing his shirt.
 
polling data can be manipulated for political reasons while betting markets are ostensibly apolitical, being driven only by raw desire for profit. I don't believe either option has an exclusive license on the truth, but I understand why people feel the betting markets are a more trustworthy sense of public sentiment.
Betting Markets can still be manipulated somewhat though, just flood in enough money at an opportune time.
 
I think he should have pressed her more for not mentioning policy/constantly changing her views and pretending she didn't, but at the same time I feel like people who are voting for her don't care and people voting for him already know at this point. He really should have shot back at her when she said all he does is lie by mentioning how many different debunked lies she had stated during the entire debate. What really irritated me is that he didn't bring up the Texas border situation at all, especially after she said that its his fault the border sucks and she was trying to fix it. Their administration literally sued Texas to keep their part of the border open and even threatened them with soldiers. He definitely could have called her out for her constant word salad answers that never actually answered half the questions as well, "why did you change your policies on basically everything" "oh my friend was raped once". He didn't do bad at all but he missed so many good points.


I agree in principle with many points Trump brought up it's just, he's so fucking mush mouthed and boring I can't listen to him anymore. He sounds like my stupid uncle that watches Fox/Newsmax/OAN all day. All slogan no substance. Like yes Mr. Trump the illegals are bad but how are we planning on making homes affordable? oh you have a great plan? well what is it?


Honestly the problem with any of these debates especially in recent years is that everyone is so entrenched in their party that its not going to change any minds except for more moderate people, and maybe the 100 democrats who don't deep throat the boot. I've seen so many people completely ignore evidence that is right in front of them, including fucking videos and articles and photos, that I refuse to believe that any amount of proving kamala wrong or calling out her lies will really do much. Just look at how most liberals are reacting to the constant issues with migrants basically "it's not happening but if it is its good".
These debates are nothing more than sales pitches to the undecided voter.
 
I think it has moreso to do with the broader socialization of these thought processes where individuals find it acceptable to behave a certain way (be it rigging, ballot harvesting, whatever) without being explicitly told to do so because it's toeing the party line.

sure, and that likely means it would be easier to get people to agree to such a conspiracy, but - barring some kind of insane coincidental miracle - multiple voting/counting centers spontaneously and independently deciding to commit fraud in such a way that they seem coordinated is fantastically unlikely. central management, however, makes it far more feasible. besides, I work amongst the common clerks of the nation, and let me tell you, the average e-mail job office lady is stunningly fucking retarded, and is almost certain to regularly fuck up just the basic duties of her job. those people could not run a national criminal conspiracy if their chihuahua's life depended on it.
 
I'd credit Gamergate, that dumpsterfire from 2014 really got a lot of apolitical involved in political convos about the media narritives, deep state power and the kayfabe nature of politics. When Trump talked about fake news he cunningly grabbed that large constituency.

It's funny how the Ethics in Video Games side lost pretty much every culture war and games have become unedingly pozzed while the third wave feminist side lost Hillary's presidency.

I bet most feminists would sacrifice girl dick in WRPGs for 3 Supreme court appointments and most gamers would gladly give Roe/Wade back to the federal government in return for a Duke Nukem game where he curbstomps tranny pig cops.

I'd give it all back in return for the old pre 2016 conspiracy channels on YouTube. Metokur said "you use to be able to search the term 'Nigger fight' on YouTube and find 1 billion results". I have kids now and one day I'm going to have to explain to them why that was a better world.
As stupid and cringe as it sounds, it probably had some influence. It at least had an influence on Steve Bannon, who likely deserves a lot of the credit for Trump's 2016 campaign if we're honest.
 
Uhhh.... because there is money on the line. There are a ton of ways to manipulate polling data to fit your agenda but the bookies agenda is not loosing his shirt.
And where does the bookie get his estimates from? The polls

The bookie doesn't have access to any truer information than we do
 
because if Trump had a bad debate performance we know you would be talking about Trump seeming old and comparing it to Biden's performance against Trump, but instead you're talking about Trump being a dumb meanie who will ruin things.
Dude, do you not have eyes or ears? What the hell are you babbling about? What does Biden have to do with this? Trump's old, yes, but he's always been a fucking idiot. His usual ravings on the stage proved as much. People in this very thread were panicking and losing their shit when he started bringing up the bullshit claims about Haitians eating cats and fumbled around on topics like the Central Park 5 and abortion.
It's clear he was never gonna be allowed to mention it because it was too much of a kill shot (no pun intended) to Kamala's side.
How? The shooter was a registered republican. A republican shot a republican. Absolutely nothing to do with the dems or Kamala in particular.
 
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