1) I'm not at war and therefore do not have to condone actions I see as savage. The article above sites only 2 confirmed of 9 dead being enemy combatants. I have no idea what the total was for the radios. Hopefully it was more precise.
more precise than two people right next to a terrorist who shouldn't have been next to them in the first place knowing he could've been targeted?
2) Yes I believe people care about human rights. Those that don't are called tyrants.
can you stop editing what i said you faggot? i said governments. not people. here, i got you fam. "BAD ISRAEL, NO CIVILIANS." there, i did what i have the power to do, you retarded nigger.
3) That is a theory. I'm operating on the belief it was the manufacturer itself that was compromised. Courier could have been as well. Either way they were able to infiltrate a service and use it to execute people.
so you're making shit up instead of looking at literally every single person involved in this, including pro-hezbollah sources? the only reason to do that would be because otherwise this retarded ass narrative instantly falls apart. even lebenon is saying it was hezbollah devices. come on bro.
4) I don't see terrorist attacks such as IEDs as honorable.
there is no winning in this scenario. no matter what israel does to these terrorists you will never accept it as legitimate force. the terrorists should not be near civilians, end of story. there would be no dead civilians at all from this if people weren't getting those pagers to commit terrorist attacks, or even just 'military operations'. they were military targets. hezbollah mixes military targets into civilians to shield them from harm, and now that people are finding ways around massive civilian casualties, you reveal your true colors that it was never about civilian casualties, because if it was, you would be very happy that these latest attacks have been so light on civilian casualties in comparison to how this war has been going. you wanna start tallying up civilian casualties? hezbollah could easily stop all civilian deaths by moving its operatives out of the cities of lebanon. they don't, because they also don't care. as has been pointed out before, muzzies use these exact same tactics constantly and consistently. don't be a hypocrite, nigger.
5) You gave some rambling bullshit about it being a foreign government who is spying as a point why I shouldn't worry about overreach of my own government.
yes, israel as a foreign government is going to do what their foreign government wants to do. you, if you even are an american, would not have any say over israeli military doctrine, and based on how nations work, they SHOULD be spying on other countries to keep their citizens safe. i don't like that it's done to regular civilians, but i also don't like that niggers get off scott free for murder when whites are jailed for bullshit they didn't do, but that's the fucking world we live in bro, sometimes things are shitty and there's nothing we can do about it. grow the fuck up.
6) A stock phone could be dangerous without explosives. Your video and another posted before supports that. Getting ahead of myself because short of some genius chemical engineering, phones with explosives would be detectable if mass produced. However, phones already have the potential to be dangerous without extensive tampering.
a stock phone was already dangerous before this, you dumbshit. the CIA isn't full of downs syndrome retards, do you think they don't have programs that can overheat a phone battery? there are script kiddies who can do that shit. come the fuck on, bro. you are just not making any sense here. there's no new precedent being set. it's classic sabotage, but the sabotage is being done to a bunch of niggers who have no respect for civilian safety, so they throw their sabotaged military shit that should never be anywhere near civilians into populated cities and then people expect that never to cause any crossfire damage. retarded, muzzie-excusing, slimesucking behavior.
7) I don't disagree that the Muslim terrorists are the bad guys here. I'd probably be arguing against them (or not caring because for Muslims this shit is just another day) if their violence was featured. It isn't. What we have is a fairly innovative attack that should be scrutinized because I don't want governments sending people exploding or otherwise harmful phones whenever they want to whack a dissident.
buddy, they already did shit like this far before an explosive pager or phone. this is not a new trick, is the point i have been trying to get across to you. it is not supremely novel, it is not unique, it's not even unique for the israelis themselves. this is just a twist on the old classic of sabotaging your enemy's materiel on the way in. it's something every military does, and as i pointed out, it's one of the most basic tenets of war as elaborated by sun-tzu, cause your enemy to rot from within. not to mention how effective paranoia in a military organization is as a weapon, and just a general method of disarraying your foes.
My stance: Middle east had peace when the US had a stronger leader. Since then peace has fallen apart and Israel has done what it has had to in order to defend itself. Here they are using tactics that closely resemble that of terrorists and there have been tragic casualties that many here are overlooking because of exploding dicks, as though people had the pager strapped to their dong.
bolding is mine. no one is overlooking them. every single person i have seen anyone argue with in this thread has said 'the terrorists are responsible for these people being dead because they had every opportunity not to put themselves into the crosshairs of an official war. their organization is a declared war organization. i don't know how else to say that if you choose to become an enemy combatant, and then also intentionally choose to disregard the rules of war in place to keep civilians safe, that sometimes, even if the enemy you're fighting is trying VERY hard to keep those casualties down in this case, there are still some.
the 'terrorist tactics' that you're mentioning are nothing close to the level of precision seen here. they include flying planes into buildings, blowing up squares with suicide bombs, and storing their materiel in civilian structures so that they won't be attacked by a military force much stronger than them who could easily wipe out their locations if they were to use secure facilities. that's not called unfair, that's called losing in military might projection and defense capability, and it doesn't excuse them putting civilians at risk to shore up that weakness.
at some point, the terrorist has to be responsible for his choice to join a terrorist organization and bring upon him a government's wrath for his part in that war. whether you believe it's justified or not is entirely irrelevant, because they are a declared military force who do not wear uniforms, do not have bases, and use civilian structures for military storage and other purposes. that is WHY you aren't supposed to do that. eventually, you have to acknowledge that you cannot just let terrorists get away with bombings on YOUR civilians while they hide among their own, none of whom seem eager to cast them out either. if i had someone come into my house that was part of a terrorist organization, i would instantly tell them to get the fuck out, and you know why? because i have people that i love here, and i don't want them to get blown up by a hellfire missile because the government finds out i have a terrorist in my house.
is that entirely just? no, of course not. ideally they would never harm an innocent in any way, and the terrorists would never put innocents in harm's way, but it's kind of in the name. they're TERRORISTS. they want that harm to come to israel's citizens, but not theirs (unless of course a strike team is in their home, in which case it's every man for himself, plenty of wives and children to use as shields). this is just how the world works. it's a shitty place, all the people involved with this war are making decisions that are shitty in some way because it's war, there are basically no good decisions, just varying magnitudes of shitty ones.
i'm not championing israel for their murder of two innocents in the crossfire, i'm not championing them at all, other than possibly if you consider it championing to say this was a surprisingly strong blow to hezbollah with very little collateral for the result. i'm just not interested in a bunch of people rolling in to accuse me of being a jew-lover just because i happen to hate muslims in this case.
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