Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

I think this has not been posted yet, in any case I can't find it in the search.
from the The Mary Sue channel:

99 views, no comments, the typical reach of The Mary Sue
There's a lot to unpack in this video (for the few minutes I watched). With the chinky filter cranked up to max Morgana almost passes until he opens his mouth and there is zero effort to sound female --he doesn't even sound like a super camp gay man like he did in DEGF-- but even with the full power of the Chinaman's digital magic Olly still looks like a dude, even after going to the effort of dressing like a 14yo girl after her first trip to Hot Topic.

I skipped to when Olly gets asked his first question and his brain completely shuts down for an uncomfortable length of time before it can finally boot up ClichePlatitudes.exe. Despite this being his own project, he speaks with the warmth and sincerity of someone who is contractually obligated to be positive about a job until the check clears.

Godspeed to anyone who can make it through the full 32 minutes, I'm out.
 
Tube sad that he is not on a red carpet at every given minute. Mr Doubtfire agrees.
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Some more comfort in this trying time
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From this hillarious troon
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Who also supports other idiotHons of all stripes
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Reminds me, I must look up on Sophie m-Olly, the Scottish ex Green party troon. See how he's doing. The seethe is clearly ongoing!

Anyway

Never mind, onwards and upwards for the Tube!
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To state the obvious, no one but no one is gonna fund this with Tube attached. So we may never find out, as it might actually come to light with him dumped out of it and then he'll not mention it.
Some followers wonder aloud
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That top comment..
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Is a troon I've seen on here at some point, writes some basically over successful AO3 spank bank written smut about a "force fem" boarding school.

Someone painted him on tumblr..
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Complete with a really long, really cringe peice of writing to accompany it, which I've transcribed here..
acrylic on canvas 30x40 cm
it is very evil of Belladonna to not bite women when she probably has the entire lesbian community on their knees now
anyways, Dracula's Ex-Girlfriend was so fucking good and despite my hatred of drawing (let alone painting) humans it compelled me to create something.
I'm just going to leave a wall of commentary on the process under the cut because I need to chatter about all of this real quick
I chose this scene at the end because 1. it was super hard to find one still where Bella and Fay are both properly visible (yet somehow Fay's still facing the other direction) and 2. this scene just hits a bit different to me.
the discussion of smoking, a thing that's bad, but it being life, right as Bella drank that bartender dry made me think of a few things I experienced and while I personally will still keep on going against what Fay said here, I still got to see things in a somewhat different light I guess.
Fay's care is also so present here. Bella is self-destructing massively, but Fay still comforts her, even after she "fell back" on her bad habits (she never quit) and this hug just hit me personally quite a lot. the silent care, the "you're warm". I can't fully describe everything it makes me feel, but this scene was good.
on a more technical level. I had to take some creative liberties with the lighting and such because it was DARK and my painting skills aren't ready to make such minute details with extremely dark colors. It would get ugly and muddied, so I had to adapt. the harsh shading on Bella's face is less striking, but I don't know if I could make it better with my current skills.
This was also one of the first times I've really rendered a human face; Last time I "tried" it was 1. without a ref (unwise) and 2. when I was even worse at drawing humans and I ended up so mad at this painting that I Could Not Go Paint Again for a while because of how mad I was lol, so I'm honestly really impressed with how I managed to do this without making a huge mess.
At least until I got to add the blood. It still looks good now, but I had to fiddle a lot with the reds I used and the skintones to mitigate the damage of a few first strokes that got too grandiose.
I also decided that Fangs. I am a bit of a vampire researcher and seeing the different traits they get in different media is always fun and here the fangs seem a bit retractable, but Bella's a vampire and I am a sucker for fangs, so I had to include them.
my handwriting also didn't fail me too horribly, even if I had a few accidents and had to clean them up before I got this "clean" little text. I really don't have good brushes for very thin and precise strokes (nor the capacity to not tremble the entire time honestly)
This was honestly quite fun too. Four hours of listening to some music, having a weird moment with my mother on the phone and just painting. I did really not want to draw Bella's face at first and drew nearly everything else before I began, but once I did I got into the groove and it went fine, so I'm pleased with this.
 
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So some time has passed from the DEX premiere, and we can say that it was a flop. Even taking into account that Nebula has few subscribers, his core audience isn't very enthusiastic. No astroturfing from any media sites, sparse reactions on social media posts, literally no one cares about it. I wonder if Toob is aware of that, or he is coping hard and pretends not to see it.
 
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So some time has passed from the DEX premiere, and we can say that it was a flop. Even taking into account that Nebula has few subscribers, his core audience isn't very enthusiastic. No astroturfing from any media sites, sparse reactions on social media posts, literally no one cares about it. I wonder if Toob is aware of that, or he is coping hard and pretends not to see it.
It's a slow-burner, babes.
 
So some time has passed from the DEX premiere, and we can say that it was a flop. Even taking into account that Nebula has few subscribers, his core audience isn't very enthusiastic. No astroturfing from any media sites, sparse reactions on social media posts, literally no one cares about it. I wonder if Toob is aware of that, or he is coping hard and pretends not to see it.
That's some backseat-noticing and we can't have it on the board.
 
On the one hand, him complaining about his "post premiere depression" is clearly him screaming "look at me and my film"...

But on the other hand, after the extremely exaggerated hype they were doing for this student level short film, topped off with a ridiculous "Hollywood premiere", there has to be some realizations and doubt creeping through when nobody gives a shit about it. Even more so when the only reason it was propped up so much by Nebula in the first place was because you paid Nebula CEO Dave Wiskus' back by guzzling his cum.

And then going to the Emmys to see that absolutely nobody cares about him nor his YouTube level short film and his big role as Witch #12 in The Acolyte.

I have to say I'm impressed that he landed his biggest roles in the first place, but it's clear that there is less money going around in Hollywood now and finally a realization that you can't just put some minority in the film/show and said audience will flock to it, so there is much less incentive to cast a crappy tranny actor with a moderate following any longer. You do have to wonder how he will start acting if his career (both YouTube and acting) starts fading from here.

Edit: apparently the site ate half of my post
 
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So some time has passed from the DEX premiere, and we can say that it was a flop. Even taking into account that Nebula has few subscribers, his core audience isn't very enthusiastic. No astroturfing from any media sites, sparse reactions on social media posts, literally no one cares about it. I wonder if Toob is aware of that, or he is coping hard and pretends not to see it.
Ollie would undoubtedly like to have been gushed over in the papers but I don't know that this will truly impact him as negatively as it might first appear. The way a narc like Ollie views success is different to how a normal person does. By many of Ollie's metrics, this has been a positive venture. He's already received whatever money he was going to get - the money raised for Dracula's Ex-Girlfriend was based on how many people signed up to Nebula when it was announced, not how many people watch it.

He's also now able to tell people he's a screenwriter, movie lead and had a red carpet premiere in Hollywood. The fact nobody's watched it is somewhat secondary to that, which is a big part of his post-event depression; he'd like to be successful but he sees that success in getting treated to trips to the states and working with other micro-celebrities. Ollie doesn't like his fans, but he likes being able to tell people that he's a fan of "I have so many fans". So likewise as long as he can cargo cult celebrity ("I wrote a screenplay and produced it, I'm a real film maker!", "I starred as a sexy cis woman in a vampire movie, I'm a real starlet!", "I had a red carpet premiere in Hollywood, I've truly made it!") that's all that matters to him. The lack of people watching it might actually support this further - there's not been any negative press around it, so it just remains as something impressive-sounding on his CV.

It might mean he's no longer Wiskus's golden boy (although I think Wiskus might be drinking the kool-aid, as he seems to have a similar approach to Ollie about doing things like DEX to make Nebula seem more credible) but "Abigail Thorn: playwright, screenwriter, executive producer, lead actress and transgender advocate who has featured in shows for the BBC, HBO, Disney and Sky Atlantic" may now qualify for SAG-AFTRA membership and this will open doors. As long as he keeps getting work, the fact that the work is bad won't even register on his radar.
 
It's telling that we only got to hear about the writing process in the BTS stuff. That's not the mark of a passion project. The biggest motivation seems to be 'not having anything lined up after HOTD', which I find hilarious. Surely his biggest role yet would be his breakthrough? Either way, Olly's thirst for fame and newfound free time coincided with Dave Wiskus trying to increase Nebula's perceived prestige by LARPing as a Netflix competitor. Dave does not give a shit about the actual quality of the end product either. He just wants to rent out theaters, red carpets and score Emmy tickets. It would not surprise me in the slightest if Dave is trying to cash out, making Nebula seem prestigious and succesful so he can sell the whole thing. Or he's just as delusional as Olly if he really thinks 'lefty Netflix' has any chance of happening.

On a different note, Olly's AI video has finally cleared the 1Mil views hurdle (after multiple title changes), as has the Judith Butler video. His latest video is still stuck at 660k. The only video this year that's cleared the 1.5Mil mark was the one with NotJustBikes. In the past 2 years the videos with guests have vastly outperformed the videos without. I forget what the next video's going to be about but for Olly's sake it better include some yelling at his audience, it's only fair because rent in London is expensive!
 
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Oh to have been a fly on the wall during this interaction
There's just no way somebody somewhere doesn't have the goods on this creep and _again_ he hasnt thought it through. This edges him an inch closer to a self doxxing if accurate, which of course it probably isnt.
At this stage i call bullshit on nearly every second word"flirted" "gave" "she" "famous" "billboard" all in question. It's 2024. Who calls? This guy really thinks he's samantha doesnt he, when in fact he gives off the vibe of the bald jewish lawyer
 
Someone named Avery in one of the above tweets expressed hope that Olly's new passion project is an adaptation of a book called Little Fish. I really, really hope it is, because the titular "fish" is horrifically misogynistic slang that the novel's troon characters matter-of-factly use for actual women. I love it when normies come into contact with insane shit in troon culture and the peakings that result.
 
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See, tranaitioning IS about becoming the person you always were on the inside. Vain, horny, chauvenistic, and egotistical. In many such cases. Was he this bad pre-transitioning, or was he a full feminist beta ally?

Also how did he not recognize her at first as the girl on the billboard? He saw it a hundred times.

Granted, models often look different irl without the makeup, lighting, filters, and photoshop. So it's possible he didn't see the connection, until he "found out" later that she was a model. By furiously googling her name and background
 
I felt Dracula's Ex-Girlfriend did have its virtues as a script. I know it sounds stupid, but I don't consider that I would have the right to continue criticizing Olly for other things, if I didn't make the effort to expand on this.

I think there is a grain of unselfawareness required for being an artist. (Like Contra not succeeding as a novelist, and instead becoming an analytical philosopher: too self-conscious.) I think Olly has that grain, and he also has a highly active fantasy life, which is a writerly asset. He does show an ability here to "give" a situation with convincing characters, just with the power of his emotional energy.

After my watch I concluded that the script at least went through several rewrites, and I wasn't surprised when, in the behind the scenes video, Olly confirmed this. He said that it was always going to be about Fay recovering from an abusive relationship with Dracula, but his original take was Fay trying to become human by talking to a therapist. Then he decided the therapist character was too boring and invented Belladonna instead—and changed his conception of Fay, too, making that character into someone "trying to be a therapist" to Belladonna.

I was genuinely pleased to hear about all this chopping and changing—because this process of searching for the right form, to best express a particular story, is of course the way real writers work. I think the project being a collaborative effort with Morgana Ignis, which they both talked about in the behind the scenes, is what was responsible for the relative level of polish here—since Olly actually had a reader, he had someone to tell him his first draft sucked, and to inspire him to rethink his conception of the narrative. (He framed it like it was his own fun-loving self who decided the original therapist character was too stuffy, but I doubt he was all that dissatisfied with his original draft—if that godawful death poem in his last video is any indication, he's incapable of self-criticism in a vacuum, and his first instinct is always to go with his first instinct.)

None of this is to say that he has any integrity as a scriptwriter—if he did, he would put way more effort into the little skits in his own videos (and bring to them that same patience and willingness to revise which he showed in his writing process for Dracula's Ex-Girlfriend). And if Dracula's Ex-Girlfriend works on the script level, it fails utterly in execution, for reasons which have been thoroughly outlined by many canny and observant people in this thread.

And in my opinion, a failure of willpower will forever keep Olly from creating worthwhile art.

He said once in an interview:

But it's always, certainly since I really started letting my creative flag fly on the show, it's always felt like the videos have come down in a beam of light, and I make them. And every time I start with a blank piece of paper and I make a new work of art.

Very pretty words. But the fact is that making art takes some sweat and drudgery (the first draft after the "blank piece of paper" is never art). It also takes self-knowledge about your strengths and weaknesses—knowing what you can do, in addition to what you want to do—which can mean having to give up on certain dreams. But I think Olly will always prefer what is easy to what has integrity. Although he has no talent for acting, he'll always chase his adolescent fantasy of being a movie star, just because the idea lights up his pleasure centers.

I found Dracula's Ex-Girlfriend actively unbearable to watch when Olly was onscreen. I think because the character was more theatrical, that brought out all the worst in Olly's acting. When he's playing a more drab role, like that bit on Ladhood, your eyes slide over him and you don't notice as much how wooden he is. But when he's enjoying himself, he's so greedy to be praised for all his "subtle acting choices" that it's impossible for you to forget you're watching an actor reading lines. Even worse is how anxious he is to be seen as sexually attractive—the yuck constantly intrudes on the experience.

Someone painted him on tumblr..

He'll never have any clear picture of his lack of ability at acting, because his fans blanket him with praise, fawning over everything—including praising his acting. I think this is often because many of them are trans, so they live vicariously through his relative success, as a mirror for their own trans narc. (This is why they turned on Contra: who absorbed their praise graciously enough, but then gave criticism back.)

Olly is so weak-willed that he'll always prefer to listen to people who flatter him—rather than seeking good constructive criticism, which could give him the motivation to second-guess himself and actually try to develop any abilities he has.
 
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