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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

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  • Hunchback 2

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Vyse Inglebard said:
:jaceknife: Take that back, faggot. Hunchback, Hercules, Mulan, and Tarzan are actually good movies.
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I'm not really talking about movie quality but how big they got and what main stream staying power they have had. Some movies just brake trough harder than others and have longer lasting impact. They can get so big that even if you hadn't seen them they were part your life because you were exposed to them with quotes, parodies, merchandise and so on. That's just a hard level to achieve even if you have a good product in you hands. Rest of the renaissance movies didn't raise that high. I would say next movies that did were Toy Story and Sherk.
 
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Vyse Inglebard said:
:jaceknife: Take that back, faggot. Hunchback, Hercules, Mulan, and Tarzan are actually good movies.
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Hunchback would've been a great movie, if they had taken the person who insisted on the gargoyles out back and shot them in an alley. As it is, it's a schizophrenic mess that bounces between "look it's a cutesy kids movie" and "look it's a dark mature movie".
 
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neverendingmidi said:
Hunchback would've been a great movie, if they had taken the person who insisted on the gargoyles out back and shot them in an alley. As it is, it's a schizophrenic mess that bounces between "look it's a cutesy kids movie" and "look it's a dark mature movie".
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What’s wrong? You don’t want to see Frollo attempting to burn a couple and their young child alive over possibly housing Esmeralda, followed by the gargoyles gassing Quasimodo up regarding Esmeralda in a jazzy comedy song?
 
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Betonhaus said:
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Right now Disney has a choice to make, now that the one movie they consciously tried to make less gay turned out to be a blockbuster:
  • put their head in the sand and claim it's a fluke and continue to go woke and broke
  • accept that people REALLY don't like the garbage they are putting out and pull back on the woke crap, possibly even doing mass firings.
Also how the hell did the live action Lion King do so well?
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Let's not pretend like there's any chance of it being the second option.
 
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I assume the live action Lion King and some of the other remakes did well because people with kids have fond memories of seeing these films as kids. They want their kids to have similar memories and despite knowing most films are shit. They seemed like far safer options to spend money and time going to see.

This is generalising from people I know, but their kids don't have interest in watching older stuff. So making the old new would help bring the kids in to watch.
 
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Screamer_2 said:
I assume the live action Lion King and some of the other remakes did well because people with kids have fond memories of seeing these films as kids. They want their kids to have similar memories and despite knowing most films are shit. They seemed like far safer options to spend money and time going to see.

This is generalising from people I know, but their kids don't have interest in watching older stuff. So making the old new would help bring the kids in to watch.
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I dunno. I tried watching the live action Jungle Book (which was said to be true to the original story, and I wasn't particularly attached to the animated version)on Netflix, and it bored me so much I quit within a half hour. Then I tried watching the live action Beauty and the Beast and immediately shut it off about 30 seconds after Emma Watson opened her horribly autotuned mouth, and put the DVD I had of the animated version on instead.

Haven't bothered since. Pretty sure the only live action version I've watched completely through was 101 Dalmations, and who can resist Glenn Close chewing scenery like a queen?
 
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neverendingmidi said:
I dunno. I tried watching the live action Jungle Book (which was said to be true to the original story, and I wasn't particularly attached to the animated version)on Netflix, and it bored me so much I quit within a half hour. Then I tried watching the live action Beauty and the Beast and immediately shut it off about 30 seconds after Emma Watson opened her horribly autotuned mouth, and put the DVD I had of the animated version on instead.

Haven't bothered since. Pretty sure the only live action version I've watched completely through was 101 Dalmations, and who can resist Glenn Close chewing scenery like a queen?
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Yeah, but does your watching apply to people trying to find shit to do with their snotty little brats? Things to put on the TV?

Maybe I have removed them from my memory or just watched videos about them. I think the only live-action remakes I've watched were Aladdin and Lady and the Tramp. We watched Aladdin to laugh at how bad it was and to discuss while watching. It still perplexes me how it was directed by Guy Ritchie. He really was just there to facilitate the previsulised version of the film done by The Third Floor and not directing it in anyway with his style or talents.

Lady and the Tramp was actually fine for what it was. Which is probably why it was for Disney+ and no one else has ever seen it. They just made a decent little film no one ever paid attention to.
 
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Amber the Hedgehog said:
I'm not really talking about movie quality but how big they got and what main stream staying power they have had. Some movies just brake trough harder than others and have longer lasting impact. They can get so big that even if you hadn't seen them they were part your life because you were exposed to them with quotes, parodies, merchandise and so on. That's just a hard level to achieve even if you have a good product in you hands. Rest of the renaissance movies didn't raise that high. I would say next movies that did were Toy Story and Sherk.
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Might be my country, but I feel like male oriented films were sabotaged by very little advertising and relatively low budget. With the Pocahontas fiasco maybe a higher up wanted to kill the trend and revert Disney to appealing to girls?
 
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King Dead said:
It's honestly funny people call The Lion King 2019 "live-action" when it's 100% CGI. I know it's just shorthand to lump it in with the rest of the garbage remakes, but it still amuses me. The CGI didn't look great then, and I look forward to it aging even worse in the years to come.
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In the late 2000s CGI kind of matured to a point where most films with an okay budget could get it looking good enough, but not photo-real. Look at Roland Emmerich's films. There's a CGI art style which still persists today in many films. Like those Godzilla x Kong films. Lion King falls into that world. There's a weird cope about photo-real. When it isn't real, it looks good but it never looks real but it is good enough where you don't care.

I don't quite know the how or whys for that artificial "photo-real" CGI is the majority of Hollywood. The original Avatar still looks amazing compared to newer stuff. It's like the color palates and lighting is always pushed to be more dramatic and less natural. I'm sure someone with more knowledge will be like the "LUTS" but I don't know much about that.
 
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Screamer_2 said:
In the late 2000s CGI kind of matured to a point where most films with an okay budget could get it looking good enough, but not photo-real. Look at Roland Emmerich's films. There's a CGI art style which still persists today in many films. Like those Godzilla x Kong films. Lion King falls into that world. There's a weird cope about photo-real. When it isn't real, it looks good but it never looks real but it is good enough where you don't care.

I don't quite know the how or whys for that artificial "photo-real" CGI is the majority of Hollywood. The original Avatar still looks amazing compared to newer stuff. It's like the color palates and lighting is always pushed to be more dramatic and less natural. I'm sure someone with more knowledge will be like the "LUTS" but I don't know much about that.
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I'm sure the term "Uncanny Valley" comes to mind.
 
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
Might be my country, but I feel like male oriented films were sabotaged by very little advertising and relatively low budget. With the Pocahontas fiasco maybe a higher up wanted to kill the trend and revert Disney to appealing to girls?
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Atlantis and Treasure planet are two of the best films disney has ever made and its a tragedy what happened to them. The only solace is that at least they will remain unmolested by remakes because disney likes to pretend they don't exist.
 
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Oilspill Battery said:
Atlantis and Treasure planet are two of the best films disney has ever made and its a tragedy what happened to them. The only solace is that at least they will remain unmolested by remakes because disney likes to pretend they don't exist.
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Oh god I found a website where they talk about how Atlantis was entirely copied from Nadia. Then there's the Kimba/Leo and Lion King case....where they were able to somehow prove the animators were unaware of the original (reminds me of the case where Lady Miss Kier of Deelite fame sued Sega because she claimed they stole her likeness to create Ulala. They were able to prove that they didn't know her. Funny enough one of the original members of Deelite was Towa Tei, who left the group a few years in. Nowadays they basically say 'fuck him'...conspiracy theory time he helped work on space channel five.) but honestly?......I miss 2D animation. I am so tired of the 3D animation and all the ugly character models and the sameness of it all.

Also the only good (least awful) live action adaptations they've done are both Maleficent films (Angelina Jolie was fantastic and at the very least they tried to do so something different with the tale) and the Jungle Book. Everything else they have done is and continues to be half assed.
 
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