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BullfrogBill said:
I really don't understand why so many people were disappointed by Trump's first term
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Twitter and the news told them to be

Some people are genuinely incapable of looking on their own experiences and judging for themselves, and need to be prompted to actually recall how things were

At this point there's also a real sunk cost fallacy associated with the whole thing. If they were wrong about Trump and so easily misled this entire time, how stupid does that make them look?

They don't realize that changing viewpoints due to self reflection is a sign of growth not weakness.
 
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StarkRavingMad said:
I heard that Roger Stone is trying to start a GoFundMe to try to buy InfoWars and give it back to Alex Jones.

An uphill battle to put it mildly (because of how much fucking money it would cost), but it would be incredible if it did happen.
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Its going to be bought by crypto bros and they will use it to promote pump and dump crypto scams.
 
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BullfrogBill said:
I really don't understand why so many people were disappointed by Trump's first term, he was literally the best president we've had in 30 years and for a lot of people the only good president in their lifetime. What is it about him that was so disappointing, did people really except their to be concentration camps or something? Are people real big bump stock enthusiasts?

I redirect those who think Trump's first term wasn't good enough to this post
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Not being as bad as the gaggle of neocon loons like the Bushes, Clinton's NAFTA bullshit, or Obama's entrenchment of the current regime isn't much of an achievement. Trump got a few things done, but his overall legacy is one of failure. He is partly to blame for the current economy, since he did nothing about the scamdemic beside spend your money on the most dangerous vaccine in history. He did nothing about the deep state, he got his ass kicked by Big Tech, he did little about illegal immigration, he waited until 2019 and 2020 to truly address cultural Marxism and groomers in schools, didn't use government funding and bureaucracy to tackle sanctuary cities and states, appointed Roberts-tier justices who approved Bostock v Clayton County (mandatory gender ideology worship), he waited until 2021 to pull out of Afghanistan, he did nothing about the insane amount of debt this country's in...I could go on and on about Trump's record of mediocrity to failure. Concentration camps? How about a president who concentrates on actually making America great again instead of ducking off to go golfing and letting that RINO Kushner run the country? Or who runs and cowers on January 6 like a little bitch while the head of the military illegally betrays the nation to China and deep state agents orchestrate a reichstag fire.

That's not to say Clinton should've won, but let's get real, there's very little to be excited for when it comes to Trump since he's all bluster. Celebrating Trump is like celebrating your kid for getting a D- instead of an F. I mean it's great, he didn't totally fail but he's one hair above it. And there's a lot of reason to fear it's just a fluke. The kid's been suggested the Project 2025 study program which will really fix his grades, but boy does he hate using that program.
 
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Save the Loli said:
ot being as bad as the gaggle of neocon loons like the Bushes, Clinton's NAFTA bullshit, or Obama's entrenchment of the current regime isn't much of an achievement. Trump got a few things done, but his overall legacy is one of failure. He is partly to blame for the current economy, since he did nothing about the scamdemic beside spend your money on the most dangerous vaccine in history. He did nothing about the deep state, he got his ass kicked by Big Tech, he did little about illegal immigration, he waited until 2019 and 2020 to truly address cultural Marxism and groomers in schools, didn't use government funding and bureaucracy to tackle sanctuary cities and states, appointed Roberts-tier justices who approved Bostock v Clayton County (mandatory gender ideology worship), he waited until 2021 to pull out of Afghanistan, he did nothing about the insane amount of debt this country's in...I could go on and on about Trump's record of mediocrity to failure.
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Okay. Now take into consideration that the media, the government, his own administration, and "the deep state" sabotaged his efforts every which way possible because "they didn't like him." AND that he's likely the only populist president ever that has successfully been elected and improved quality of life that many presidents before him would only dream of achieving. I don't count COVID-19 as a Trump failure because that was an unexpected disaster that was mismanaged on all levels.
 
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The Last Stand said:
improved quality of life that many presidents before him would only dream of achieving.
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how do you figure that?

he made alot of promises and I personally the benifit of him just stopping the corruption because he was beholden to only his ego, and the special interests didnt have leverage on him.

Remember the reason biden ran against him was because the day before trump had the phone call with zelinsky where he offered to investigate a political rival and that was impeachment number one
 
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The Last Stand said:
Okay. Now take into consideration that the media, the government, his own administration, and "the deep state" sabotaged his efforts every which way possible because "they didn't like him." AND that he's likely the only populist president ever that has successfully been elected and improved quality of life that many presidents before him would only dream of achieving.
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Andrew Jackson actually was a populist that got things done. Trump didn't even try. We all know he had a lot of leverage over the RINOs because he had access to all their shady deals. That's why they dismissed the first impeachment because otherwise all those Ukraine deals Romney and others were doing would come out. Trump had a lot more room than people here credit him for, but he didn't play hardball at all. He didn't even try anything as daring as the insane shit the Biden regime has tried like the nationwide OSHA vaxx mandate.

The media couldn't do shit to Trump (and likely got him elected with their wall to wall coverage), deep state was dangerous but he could've chipped away at them, RINOs he had some leverage over but failed to corral. His presidency was nothing but missed opportunities, and given the low quality of "populists" like Peter Thiel's catamite Vance or Meatball DeSantis, we can expect another generation before the next Trump arrives.
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I don't count COVID-19 as a Trump failure because that was an unexpected disaster that was mismanaged on all levels.
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It wasn't solely his fault, but he bears a lot of blame. He didn't try and get his own party on the same page to stop lockdowns and mask mandates and free the red states. He couldn't even do something as simple as fire Fauci for his long record of flip flopping. Even if we believe Trump was a total deep state puppet and would've had to appoint some other deep state functionary, it would've been a symbolic victory. But Trump couldn't even do that. To say nothing about how he STILL applauds himself for funding Warp Speed and the dangerous Pfizer gene therapies!
Mourning_Cloak said:
The economy of 2017-2020 was the best that it has been in my lifetime (and probably ever will be again).
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The same economy that was so transparently hollow it was already crashing as early as late 2019 and was so shit the global elite made a fake pandemic to implode? Trump economy gave us Buzzfeed journos making 6 figures and DEI people up the ass because interest rates were low and money was cheap. Biden economy just sucked because the government is somehow even more inept than that.
 
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northstar747 said:
Remember the reason biden ran against him was because the day before trump had the phone call with zelinsky where he offered to investigate a political rival and that was impeachment number one
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I remember, they claimed you can't investigate someone you're running against.

Notice that went out the window with Trump.
 
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Save the Loli said:
The same economy that was so transparently hollow it was already crashing as early as late 2019 and was so shit the global elite made a fake pandemic to implode? Trump economy gave us Buzzfeed journos making 6 figures and DEI people up the ass because interest rates were low and money was cheap. Biden economy just sucked because the government is somehow even more inept than that.
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Okay, let's have a president with NO PRIOR POLITICAL CAPITAL against political opposition dating back decades radically change everything in a four year term. You're the opposite side of the coin that believed Trump would just be a dictator that would round up minorities in the blink of an eye.
 
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Okay, let's have a president with NO PRIOR POLITICAL CAPITAL against political opposition dating back decades radically change everything in a four year term. You're the opposite side of the coin that believed Trump would just be a dictator that would round up minorities in the blink of an eye.
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Sure worked for Obama, some rando community organizer 2nd term senator who got about half of what he wanted and currently runs DC. If Trump can't actually make any moves to fix this country, why vote for him? Any RINO barring the Liz Cheneys or Adam Kinzingers would've done the same tax cuts and same Federalist Society John Roberts clone appointments but wouldn't have been as easy to scare the normies with.
 
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northstar747 said:
he made alot of promises and I personally the benifit of him just stopping the corruption because he was beholden to only his ego, and the special interests didnt have leverage on him.
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The Wall did deter many illegal immigrants from coming in. Remember that migrant van that came through some years ago during his term? If fully implemented, it could've bought some time to start cracking down on immigration reform from down the border.

Nobody, even his strongest detractors, complained that a Trump economy was detrimental to the average American's expense.

I remember one executive action where Trump made it law to publicly display pharmaceutical drug prices. That's all I could think of.
 
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