2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

It is difficult to separate the S300, 400, and 500 because by design all the components are interchangable. S-400 can use S-300 missiles, S-300 can use S-500's RADAR. Which why you have wacky shit like the S-350. They can even integrate older components liked the SA-2 launchers; there's something about SA-2 integration that makes it particularly fucky but I can't remember.

Remember also that there's a level of operator skill involved especially with Soviet AAD. (Don't care, they're still soviets). A serbian SA-2 operator was able to down a F-117 because he knew his system. Iranian missile men blew up a civilian airliner because they didn't.
The issue is as pointed out earlier, Iranian IADS is a mix of suppliers that I have severe doubts they properly integrated them and the lack of a ASEA radar is going to be a big issue. They probably also have training issues given the theocratic nature of the goverment and various suppliers.

In re: Stealth
Unless the drop tanks are internal they're gonna have a hard time hiding on the RCS on that. Iran doesn't need to shoot down the jets (that's a bonus), they just need to whack a mole the tankers in Syria/Iraq/gulf to make such a mission basically suicide and have IDF POWs (Personally that's not much of a win but I guess Zionist lives are worth more). Obviously the issue with shooting them down over Iraq/gulf is the US government will take it as a justification to go in an flatten Iran.
 
The issue is as pointed out earlier, Iranian IADS is a mix of suppliers that I have severe doubts they properly integrated them and the lack of a ASEA radar is going to be a big issue. They probably also have training issues given the theocratic nature of the goverment and various suppliers.
Naw, the bigger issue is that Iranian SAM operators are utter fucking garbage. Their alibaba-tier equipment doesn't help to be sure.
 
A serbian SA-2 operator was able to down a F-117 because he knew his system. Iranian missile men blew up a civilian airliner because they didn't.
*SA-3 and yes he was REALLY good with his system and had a Golden opportunity.
Not only stealth, but unless they are going to send the tankers out and around Africa they are going to have to go through someone's airspace. They will be noticed and someone will wonder what's up
They might just ask Saudi to turn off certain radars for a 12 hour period and fly that corridor.

Or just use their subs and lunch as many cruise missiles as possible from them (they'd already do that)
Anyway even if we remove Iranian air defense completely from the equation, give the IDF complete operational freedom do whatever they want but on a single tank of gas, they aren't going to be able to bring a very heavy load, and that's 4-8 hours round-trip. So maybe 2-3 strikes a day. with 36 fighters, you aren't going to do more than severely inconvenience a nation the size of Iran with that.
It won't be worth it unless/until (thanks to Obama) they have a weapons grade uranium plant
Complete freedom means they're also using every operational F-16 and F-15 plus their entire long range drone feet.

Even without complete freedom they're bringing along some F-15s and launching as many cruise missiles from them as possible.
20mm cannon also can't be jammed and maybe its no longer the case, but at least in the Axis of Evil days Iranian had some no-shit legit F-14 pilots
They sure did.... Until the early 1990s when the IRGC purged the Iranian air force and the guys that didn't get purged are in their 60s now.
The issue is as pointed out earlier, Iranian IADS is a mix of suppliers that I have severe doubts they properly integrated them and the lack of a ASEA radar is going to be a big issue. They probably also have training issues given the theocratic nature of the goverment and various suppliers.

In re: Stealth
Unless the drop tanks are internal they're gonna have a hard time hiding on the RCS on that. Iran doesn't need to shoot down the jets (that's a bonus), they just need to whack a mole the tankers in Syria/Iraq/gulf to make such a mission basically suicide and have IDF POWs (Personally that's not much of a win but I guess Zionist lives are worth more). Obviously the issue with shooting them down over Iraq/gulf is the US government will take it as a justification to go in an flatten Iran.
A stealth drop tank has been used on F-22s and can certainly be integrated into the F-35


Israel probably wouldn't even have their jets cross the Iranian border they'd be dropping their longest range standoff weapons like Popeye (lol) and Delilah and similar.

If they wanted to be crazy they'd base a F-35 squadron out of Azerbaijan...
 
Complete freedom means they're also using every operational F-16 and F-15 plus their entire long range drone feet.

Even without complete freedom they're bringing along some F-15s and launching as many cruise missiles from them as possible.
They wouldn't want to bring non-stealth aircraft because they'd be striking accross Iraq. With F-35s, Iraq could just say "Lol Idk our SAMs didn't pick up any stealth aircraft. PS how'd you like being taken to the opera you greasy persian fuckstains" and sit this one out. With F-15/16 they would either need to throw all-in with the Jews and enter hostilities with Iran, or they would have to make some effort to shoot them down (and get their SAMs and radars pounded from the skies by the next wave).

But since even Iran's garbage tier equipment would at least be able to lock onto F-16s/F-15s I was referring specifically to countering the F-35. That is, even if the F-35 was totally stealth as far as Iran was concerned and we took the overly optimistic position all their air defense could be disregarded as a non-entity posing zero threat to the F-35, conducting operations against Iran would still be costly and in effective unless against specific targets that the destruction there of would do outsized damage.

But I think the tack of this thought experiment has drifted from the original point I was making.
I'm not disputing that if Israel had a high-value target (nuke reactor) to hit that they could do it (they definitely could; the F-15's operating ceiling is higher than anything Iraq has.).
What I'm saying is that Israel doing more generalized punitive stikes, like they do in Syria and Lebanon, would be more difficult and costly and when you aren't trying to risk it all to remove Iran's access to atomic weapons, decent odds of the mission needing to be scrubbed because Israel won't risk an F-35 just to blow up some random IRGC HQ.
With the further points that A) Iran is large enough Israel's stealth fleet wouldn't be able to damage them in any serious capacity (again, singular high-value nuke or rocketry facilities accepted. But even those wouldn't remove Iran's ability to wage war). and B) Iran's air defense network is garbage equipment manned by garbage operators and the only thing that saves Iran from directly feeling the wrath of the Elders of Zion is the fact they are far away with third-party nations between them.
 
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Our greatest ally is supplying us with a huge population of future welfare recipients, anchor babies, stabbings, rapes, and terrorist attacks.
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Jesus the IDF is dropping Iranian assets like flies

Now Mohammad Abdul Salam, the head of Houthi coordination in Iran, and several others have been killed.


He's that guy who has the sword on him and looks like Eylon Levy


Someone really high up in the IRGC has to be a mole. Was one of those Persian Jews able to pretend to be a hardcore Islamist for 30 years? Man. That is the only conclusion I can draw from just how thoroughly compromised Iran's patronage network is, along with their subordinate insurgent groups. Israel is dismantling Iranian power in the Middle East in real time, and the only complaint from anyone is from the BBC and the US government.

It should be noted Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan have been screaming in their silence. Even Turkey hasn't bothered to complain. Iran got too big for its britches and now that its bluff has been called they are forced to show they were holding a Jack and a 7 all along. With absolutely nothing backing it up.
 
Anyone think that Israel might be able to fuck up the Houthis enough that they'll stop fucking with Red Sea shipping? Especially since unlike the U.S. Navy, they'll probably go in gloves off?
Houtis are unattainable goal. There's nothing but sand and mountains, perfect hiding places.
 
tell them to fuck off.
It's really that simple.

In fact, while the areas they're from are getting bombed, Lebanon itself is not in a state of war - and legally speaking, these are Lebanese citizens. They should stay put and the national government be responsible for providing them refuge/shelter.
Houtis are unattainable goal. There's nothing but sand and mountains, perfect hiding places.
You don't have to deal with all of them, just do what they did with Hezbollah and deal the ones in positions of leadership. Make some examples.

Medieval style problems sometimes require medieval style solutions.
 
With F-35s, Iraq could just say "Lol Idk our SAMs didn't pick up any stealth aircraft. PS how'd you like being taken to the opera you greasy persian fuckstains" and sit this one out.
Why would Iraq do that? The entire Iraqi government is Pro-Iranian shia groups after Sadr, the only shia leader who wasn't sucking Iran's cock quit in 2022.
 
They're presently very committed to bringing Islam to its proper place in the world, which is under a pile of burnt up rubble.
Actually they're presently very committed to bringing islam to your hometown. Good job.
I hope the next generation comes back to put the boot in Israel's ass.
Hopefully younger, more violent, more radical, less concerned with civilian casualties. That's how you win wars.
 
Nasrallah's bunker, before and after:

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Israel killed the leader of Hamas in Lebanon, Fateh Sharif, in an airstrike on Tyre:
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He was also the principal of UNRWA's Hamas's "Deir Yasin" school in Tyre, and the head of the UNRWA Hamas teachers' union:
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