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[Scarlett Johansson]

It was Chris Sanders. He had a rough time in the 00s. Ended up with him getting fired from Bolt.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

It was Chris Sanders. He had a rough time in the 00s. Ended up with him getting fired from Bolt.

And look where he is now.

You could've had this, Disney. But because you were too set in your ways, you don't, and now you have to sit back while your former animator eats your lunch.....wait a minute.....

Holy shit time really is a flat circle, omegalul.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

Holy shit time really is a flat circle, omegalul.

Except this time there isn't an Eisner or Katzinberger to save them and they have the massive loans they took out to buy Fox some of which won't be fully paid off until the 2050s. And park attendance is also not as good as it was in the 80s. And they've manage to piss off every sane parent with their faggy DEI shit. And their other non-animation properties are hemorrhaging cash. 2024 Disney makes late 70s/early 80s Disney look like a successful studio. They're so fucked.

 

[Trilby]

I remember seeing Unico and the Magic Island on the Disney channel back in the 80s, which was pretty cool. Maybe the movie was just cheap to license.

Perhaps, though that and the first Unico movie were produced by Sanrio, who probably sold Disney Channel a package of films they could do whatever with if they wanted, I know they also played this classic there...

Bolt was controversial? Hokey and overplayed on Disney Channel, yeah, but I wouldn't call it controversial.

Originally, Chris Sanders wanted to make this before they changed it to "Bolt"...
American Dog

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

I was thinking.....compared to now, was the Eisner era really that horrible?

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Classic handsome men (chiseled chin, marked features, good posture, broad shoulders) is considered toxic masculinity. Disney also knows their core male audience (or what's left of it) is soyboys so they show soyboys in the films to make them think people like them are "valid".

Magnifico was pretty well designed as an attractive older male. Too bad Disney screwed up his marriage dynamic which would have made him a favored Disney male, easily.

Past him, sadly, Nick Wild would be considered the most attractive male from nu-Disney. The rest of them past Flynn are all Soy or have unique designs that are an acquired taste, see Ralph & Felix.

The history of how Treasure Planet, on the other hand, came to be is interesting. Apparently Beauty & The Beast as well as The Little Mermaid were conceptualized as far back as the 1930s. Treasure Island was conceptualized when The Little Mermaid began development in the late 1980s but circumstances forced them to keep it pushed back until the 2000's where it became Treasure Planet and flopped.

Disney, more Jeffrey Katzenberg, didn't want to make Treasure Planet and kept pushing it back, forcing the animators to work on multiple projects till they could get the green light: Little Mermaid and Aladdin. One of the more notable films that was a big factor was Hercules as that was the needed "big success" to push Treasure Planet through. A lot of the animators were forced onto that one and it was basically designed to be Aladdin 2.0 just to be the hit they needed, explaining many of the film's shortcomings.

Hercules didn't do well, but old Jeffrey left, which is likely how it got made.

 

[fartsnstuf]

I was thinking.....compared to now, was the Eisner era really that horrible?

pound for pound? imo honestly no, sure Eisner was misguided at times; but he did exemplify the spirit of Walt Disney

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

I was thinking.....compared to now, was the Eisner era really that horrible?

Are you fucking kidding me? It's not even close. The Eisner era alone gave us the 5 Renaissance movies (yes, I said 5, Rescuers Down Under deserves to be a part of that conversation and I'm tired of pretending it doesn't); not to mention the underrated early 2000s bangers (Atlantis is mid, though).

 

[Starscream's Loyalty]

Are you fucking kidding me? It's not even close. The Eisner era alone gave us the 5 Renaissance movies (yes, I said 5, Rescuers Down Under deserves to be a part of that conversation and I'm tired of pretending it doesn't); not to mention the underrated early 2000s bangers (Atlantis is mid, though).

I agree with you on everything except the Atlantis part. He actually let people be creative.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Are you fucking kidding me? It's not even close. The Eisner era alone gave us the 5 Renaissance movies (yes, I said 5, Rescuers Down Under deserves to be a part of that conversation and I'm tired of pretending it doesn't); not to mention the underrated early 2000s bangers (Atlantis is mid, though).

7 movies, Who Framed Rodger Rabbit and The Nightmare Before Christmas should really be counted by this point. They even perfectly fill in the gaps, 1988 was before Little Mermaid and Nightmare was in 1993, the year there wasn't a film.

I was thinking.....compared to now, was the Eisner era really that horrible?

Say what you want, Eisner was arguably the best era of the company, which really makes me question all the hate.

4 of the most prolific Disney films of all time got made during his tenure: The Little Mermaid, Beauty and The Beast, Aladdin and The Lion King
Hell, you can also include Lilo & Stitch and The Nightmare Before Christmas as two other juggernauts, easily on par with the former.

Then of course, you have the imperfect, but loved films: Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Mulan, Hercules, Hunchback of Notre Dame and Tarzan

Beyond animated Disney films, Eisner had a lot of now iconic material:

• Pirates of the Carribean (Disney's biggest live action IP)
• Kingdom Hearts
• Pixar (The late 90s-2000s run)
• Disney Parks (Hollywood Studios, Animal Kingdom, world parks)
• Disney Channel (Disney Afternoon)

By comparison Iger's highlights beyond just buying things mostly amount to a small resurrection of Disney animation between 2009-2016 as, yes, he did have quite a few classics under his belt: Princess & The Frog, Tangled, Wreck-It-Ralph, Frozen, Big Hero 6, Zootopia and Moana. This is alongside the TV resurgence with P&F, Gravity Falls, Star Vs. The Forces of Evil, etc.. In addition, Iger also had the Epic Mickey games, even if they started under Eisner.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

I remember seeing Unico and the Magic Island on the Disney channel back in the 80s, which was pretty cool. Maybe the movie was just cheap to license.

Wasn't just anime, as American film and cartoon studios and syndicators
were licensing and bringing in literally every "cartoon" they would get their hands on. Whether it's from the Canada, England, France, Japan and oddly enough even the USSR.

 

[Betonhaus]

and oddly enough even the USSR

You can't throw that out there without giving us an example

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Wasn't just anime, as American film and cartoon studios and syndicators
were licensing and bringing in literally every "cartoon" they would get their hands on. Whether it's from the Canada, England, France, Japan and oddly enough even the USSR.

yeah early The Disney Channel had a lot of stuff that wasn't from Disney, like old american music tv specials, Star Wars trilogy, I saw a mess of the Asterix movies as a kid on there

 

[cactus]

7 movies, Who Framed Rodger Rabbit and The Nightmare Before Christmas should really be counted by this point. They even perfectly fill in the gaps, 1988 was before Little Mermaid and Nightmare wa

Except the Nightmare Before Christmas was released under Touchstone. The Great Mouse Detective should also be included.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

You can't throw that out there without giving us an example

English name
Ivan and His Magic Pony 1975 version.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

but circumstances forced them to keep it pushed back until the 2000's where it became Treasure Planet and flopped.

i actually saw it in theaters and outside of blatant kid bait like the surfing stuff it was pretty much just treasure island in space and wasn't really that good of a movie.

, sure Eisner was misguided at times

the best explanation i saw for Eisner is that he was like Robin Williams in Mrs.Doubtfire, he was all about being creative and wasn't exactly good at the stuff someone in his position needed to be good at. and once the late 90s happened his "shoot for the stars" attitude kept fucking him because every projected became half assed or tried and tossed before it really could work. Think about how hated Fox was for cancelling shows that would never have been greenlit anywhere else.

Eisner was the man that greenlight the muppets, they were never that successful but he loved the idea and allowed it to be a fairly low grossing product, most of the other stuff from especially the early 2000s people like such as Atlantis are because Eisner wanted stuff for each sector, he didn't want to just focus on little girls and parents but even stuff for the young boys and teenagers and other demos, which is why he pushed for disney arcades and disney night clubs and disney america respectively.

his replacement basically didn't give a fuck about Disney IP and you can tell by how everything has become shit under his reign, outside of stopping all the shitty direct to video movies, the biggest thing bob iger has done is just spend cash to buy up other IPs rather than have disney develop good shit in house

which really makes me question all the hate.

much like Star trek Enterprise or the prequels people allowed perfect to be the enemy of good, and beyond that late 90s/early 2000s culture was so psychopathic that knives were out for anyone. You were better off making movies or music where you pretend to rape little girls than make anything that might be considered "family friendly" or "a quality product", i think even Drawn Together admitted in their movie how bullshit a lot of their contemporaries were for pretending they were doing it for anything more than trying to pull others down.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Except the Nightmare Before Christmas was released under Touchstone. The Great Mouse Detective should also be included.

Touchstone is really the only thing keeping it and Roger from being considered. Touchstone itself is part of Disney and was just used so Disney can distance themselves from their adult output. Roger was considered too raunchy and Nightmare to scary, had they toned down some elements, the two would have been Disney releases.

At this point, even Disney themselves considers them Disney films. Hell, Oggie Boogie is a legit member of the Disney villains line, and one of the more consistent members at that. While Roger is still given a bit of distance, Judge Doom was pulled out as a Disney villain for villains night at their parks and Roger was in Chip & Dale.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

yeah early The Disney Channel had a lot of stuff that wasn't from Disney, like old american music tv specials, Star Wars trilogy, I saw a mess of the Asterix movies as a kid on there

Hell they used to show The Golden Girls on there.

The reason I asked about Eisner was because I genuinely didn't see any issues with him in terms of comparing the monstrosity that is Iger. It seems Eisners a punchline despite the fact he gave us so much great shit. That book Disney War needs to have an updated and revised edition.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Hell they used to show The Golden Girls on there.

The reason I asked about Eisner was because I genuinely didn't see any issues with him in terms of comparing the monstrosity that is Iger. It seems Eisners a punchline despite the fact he gave us so much great shit. That book Disney War needs to have an updated and revised edition.

at the time Eisner seemed a lot worse, like I recall him throwing hotels around all over WDW with no major thought about transportation beyond "uhh... buses?" being a big issue
also a lot of the nickle and dime shit like Fastpass started under Eisner, especially the ruinous directive that each store in the park had to carry its own weight, killing the stuff that was just there for atmosphere like the antique shop

in hindsight "shit up some of epcot" isn't anywhere near "CAPESHIT EPCOT!"

 

[BootlegPopeye]

Surprised no one here has mentioned that Eisner greenlit the horrid practice of direct-to-video 'sequels'. A relative of mine had 'Return of Jafar' which was released in 1994, and we saw even more hackneyed releases later in the 90s.