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[reptile baht spaniard rid]

So I've never been to London, Paris and Shanghai but Tokyo and Moscow are absolutely full of cars with wide roads and a lot of parking spaces.
Redditor doesn't know what he's talking about and didn't bother to check anything else than top 3 photos on google images, more news at 11.

And as usual, they shit on Los Angeles but the LA Metro (most don’t even know it has one):

Taking overall track length into consideration, Metro Rail's rapid transit lines transport 7,960 passengers per route mile, making this the fifth busiest U.S. rapid transit system on a per mile basis. Metro's light rail system is the second-busiest in the United States with 139,800 average weekday boardings as of the second quarter of 2024. In terms of route length, Metro's light rail system is the largest in the United States.

LA is quietly a public transit success story but not in the incredibly homosexual way they want.

 

[Rubick]

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Looks like a creature from Parasite Eve 2. Heck, it looks like he walks like one also.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Drivers are terrorists (reminder that /r/fuckcars supports Hamas):

So why can't you play with numbers and declare jihad on black people the same way?

It’s only when you get some major change (new development, new freeway exit, etc) that businesses will gamble on “unknown” locations.

In better economic times, you had major retail like malls build out in the middle of nowhere. Nowadays residential development will just leave open swathes of land for future development.

There's a handful of malls that died partly because development didn't materialize like they thought. Woodville Mall in Toledo, Ohio was built around 1969 (it closed about a decade ago) and even to this day it's still mostly surrounded by farmland.

LA is quietly a public transit success story but not in the incredibly homosexual way they want.

Eh, sort of. The perception of public transit there is still a disaster and a lot of the rail stuff just cannibalized the bus lines.

 

[MaximKnight76]

LA is quietly a public transit success story but not in the incredibly homosexual way they want.

What do you mean by that ?

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Eh, sort of. The perception of public transit there is still a disaster and a lot of the rail stuff just cannibalized the bus lines.

Oh, all pubic transport is a disaster, but in regards to number of riders, the LA transit system has gone from lol haha joke to eh, meh, works, kinda. That's a huge success story!

What do you mean by that ?

In 2023, the Metro system had a total ridership of 284,901,000, and had a ridership of 962,500 per weekday as of the second quarter of 2024. It is the largest transit agency by ridership in the state of California, and the third-largest in the United States.

From wikedpedo - and more from https://opa.metro.net/MetroRidership/

Year	Total Ridership	Total Passenger Miles
2009	459,082,396	2,020,935,862
2014	459,195,234	2,103,858,916
2019	370,480,743	1,780,355,008
2023	288,088,023	1,185,939,105

ok disregard me, I suck cocks. They somehow fucked up a good thing they had going and it was already trending down before covid.

I blame niggers

 

[Arminius]

I'm curious what the cognitive dissonance would be if pedestrians started carrying sticks to jam in bike spokes, the same way they advocate for people to carry bricks.

Armed cyclist points gun at undercover police officer in an unmarked unit resulting in marked police cars trying to pull the bicyclist over.

The guy tries to evade but is stopped by police:

Been awhile since I've seen a 380 Colt Mustang

 

[Yamamura]

Well it's that time of year again. Time to scare urbanists/fuckcars.

 

[maxell4hd]

Oh, all pubic transport is a disaster, but in regards to number of riders, the LA transit system has gone from lol haha joke to eh, meh, works, kinda. That's a huge success story!


From wikedpedo - and more from https://opa.metro.net/MetroRidership/

Year	Total Ridership	Total Passenger Miles
2009	459,082,396	2,020,935,862
2014	459,195,234	2,103,858,916
2019	370,480,743	1,780,355,008
2023	288,088,023	1,185,939,105

ok disregard me, I suck cocks. They somehow fucked up a good thing they had going and it was already trending down before covid.

For LA (and many other cities), the politicians and transit agencies got enamored with fancy and expensive new trains and neglected the backbone of its service, buses.

Over a decade, the number of hours that Metro buses spent on the street fell 10%, mostly during the Great Recession. Scheduled service hours fell from nearly 7.78 million in the 2008 fiscal year to 7 million in 2018, according to budget documents.

Rail service hours nearly doubled over the same time period, to 1.25 million hours, as new lines opened to East Los Angeles, Azusa and Santa Monica.

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-bus-ridership-falling-los-angeles-la-metro-20190627-story.html

 

[IdiotPlusPlus]

The real point is long overnight services where you can just park your train in the carriage and convert a 12+ hour road trip into a good night's sleep and a 30 minute drive fresh after a shower and breakfast, around my parts those are very popular during skiing season as the rich city slicker families can just "teleport" to their destination with their SUVs already loaded with all the alpine gear. Implying that those hugely space and time inefficient luxury services are somehow viable as a road replacement is beyond idiocy.

Wasn't/Isn't there a RORO Motorail Service on the US East Coast that takes families+cars down to Disney World in Florida? I vaguely remember seeing a vid on it and how Amtrak eventually started running it.

Tbh would be convenient af and they need to come back for longer distance travelling in general imo, even if just to make pro-train urbanists heads explode xD

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Wasn't/Isn't there a RORO Motorail Service on the US East Coast that takes families+cars down to Disney World in Florida? I vaguely remember seeing a vid on it and how Amtrak eventually started running it.

Yes, the Amtrak Auto Train. Runs from Washington DC to Orlando. Actual stations are Lorton, VA and Sanford, FL.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Yes, the Amtrak Auto Train. Runs from Washington DC to Orlando. Actual stations are Lorton, VA and Sanford, FL.

Apparently is (or was) the only profitable long-distance Amtrak line they run.

I dug into it a few years back; it's uniquely situated in such a way that there's unlikely to be a similar route in the USA that could work as well. The population center around Washington DC and the number of vacations to Florida is high enough to support it. Maybe something similar on the west coast could work, but probably not.

The distance has to be long enough (overnight - it's a 17.5 hour trip by rail) that it's worth the time to load/unload. Driving is 12 hours if traffic is perfect and you don't have to stop - which never happens. Train wins, even if you add the two hours on each end to load/unload cars.

On the west coast, the obvious destination would be LA (driving distance to many attractions similar to Florida) - but there's nothing 12 hours or so away by car. The closest would be the Denver metro or parts of Texas or Portland/Seattle. San Francisco/Vegas are too close (6 hours or 4 hours) and spending your travel time again loading/unloading wouldn't make sense.

It might be possible to do something with "train assembly" where they load a single railcar with 6-10 cars, and then the train stops and connects it. That takes 20 minutes or so, even if you can stick it on the end of the train.

 

[quaawaa]

/r/fuckcars user brags about how not owning a car has made him wealthy:

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"Tier 1 City". That doesn't sound like an American or European term...I wonder where he lives...

Oh...

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The average car-owning American is several orders of magnitude wealthier than him!

The hilarious thing is that his fellow Indians all own/want to own cars:









Meanwhile the NEET Westerners in the /r/fuckcars thread continue to hate on cars:

Spoiler: Image at link

 

[Meriasek]

I dig those 1950s, 1960s style long distance trains with lounge and club cars and so on. Wouldn't mind the trip going over night if the ticket prices were reasonable compared to flying.
But I guess to operate these kind of trains economically, the tickets would still be expensive, and it'd just be more convenient to take the train.

 

[LaxerBRO]

I dig those 1950s, 1960s style long distance trains with lounge and club cars and so on. Wouldn't mind the trip going over night if the ticket prices were reasonable compared to flying.
But I guess to operate these kind of trains economically, the tickets would still be expensive, and it'd just be more convenient to take the train.

The fares on overnight sleeper trains are more than US domestic first class for a similar route.

Unless you get a coach seat...the leg room is nice and it's bigger than a US domestic first class seat but you will be looking at Hot Pockets and Doritos for dinner instead of a meal.

 

[Meriasek]

The fares on overnight sleeper trains are more than US domestic first class for a similar route.

Unless you get a coach seat...the leg room is nice and it's bigger than a US domestic first class seat but you will be looking at Hot Pockets and Doritos for dinner instead of a meal.

But you also get to just sit around for a much longer duration. So train just isn't competitive above certain distances. Which is sad.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

The fares on overnight sleeper trains are more than US domestic first class for a similar route.

Unless you get a coach seat...the leg room is nice and it's bigger than a US domestic first class seat but you will be looking at Hot Pockets and Doritos for dinner instead of a meal.

I was curious so I did check Amtrak's prohibited items list in compared to the litany of items that the TSA has issue with. You'd think Amtrak would be much more permissive since you're not flying at 20,000 feet and trains are a rare terror target, but they're actually almost restrictive as TSA. Sharp items aren't allowed even in checked baggage and there's an oddly specific ban on seafood for Amtrak. (Comparatively, TSA will let you put a live lobster in checked baggage).

 

[LaxerBRO]

Long Distance Rail from Chicago to Los Angeles:


The cost for a one way trip is $650 when adjusted for inflation for a coach class seat. The cheapest first class seat on the best domestic airline is $443 for 11/5.

Rail is a great way to travel if you cannot fly or just want to enjoy the journey.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Rail is a great way to travel if you cannot fly

Outside of a handful of less-common medical conditions where your body can be adversely by the changes in oxygen levels, altitude, and air pressure, the only other reason would be if the government deemed you a terrorist or otherwise a problem, and likely would ban you from Amtrak as well.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Outside of a handful of less-common medical conditions where your body can be adversely by the changes in oxygen levels, altitude, and air pressure, the only other reason would be if the government deemed you a terrorist or otherwise a problem, and likely would ban you from Amtrak as well.

There are a ton of "fake medical conditions" (the one I saw in person boiled down to "fat lesbianitis") that "prevent" people from flying, I suspect there's some form of fraud going on.

It's like the assholes who have "companion animals" that aren't service dogs.

 

[Yamamura]

/r/fuckcars user brags about how not owning a car has made him wealthy:

It's weird when they try to describe not owning a car like some sort of exploit that they found. When in reality it's much like choosing to not own any asset. By forgoing ownership you also forfeit the utility that it brings you. It's not that this Indian fellow has found a lifestyle without cars, he's just dependent on using other people's cars through things like Uber. It would be similar if I said "I save so much money by not needing my own internet since I use the wifi at McDonalds" or "I don't have my own washing machine because I go to a laundromat instead."

"By living in a cardboard box and not having any possessions, I have saved thousands of dollars which I use to invest and do nothing with besides reinvest"