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Thanks to the YouTube channel Good Bad Flicks (subscribe, it's awesome), I just watched The Last Days on Mars (2013), a scifi thriller/horror film set on the red planet.

It's always sad to see a film that just falls short of what it was aiming for. This movie is well acted, well shot/directed, the cast is very good, and the set design and special effects are high quality. Even the dialogue is solid.

The problem is the script and perhaps the edit. Ultimately, the story is too conventional and undercooked. The actors genuinely do a great job of characterization with what they've been given, but a little more time was needed with them to get the audience to care about everyone. The horror elements are predictable and don't have much impact because 1 ) we almost know enough about the characters, 2 ) the scifi setting makes the premise feel strangely unexplained (sorry, I need at least a few lines of speculation about how or why extraterrestrial bacteria could/would reanimate a dead body), and 3 ) you've seen this all before in better stories.

"Zombies on Mars" is a fine idea, but if your film is science fiction horror (and not science fiction-flavored horror), you've got to try to explain some of it... or go in the other direction and create pure schlock. And this movie seems like a relatively hard scifi film early on (numerous scientific inaccuracies aside), but it plays out like a horror movie, so it doesn't fully work.

Compare it to something like the original Dead Space (not a movie, I know, but the premise is similar). Dead Space succeeds with science fiction-flavored horror because, as grounded as it feels, it doesn't pretend to be hard scifi. It's a scary story set in the far future, and it lets you know that from the beginning by introducing its (possibly?) supernatural elements upfront.

And about the edit perhaps being the culprit... I have no idea how much was cut from the film to get it down to around 90 minutes, but I have a feeling it would be a much stronger movie with very little added in just the right places. It's very close to a proper, solid film. So close that it bums me out.

But if you like the elements and the concept, you might get enough out of The Last Days on Mars to make it worth the short runtime. Especially if you like the cast. (Olivia Williams is always great!)
 
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I just suffered through the newest adaptation of Salem's Lot (2024) so, hopefully, someone else won't have to.

This thing is a huge fucking mess all around. It is a bad as you've probably heard:

The cast is a mixed bag. Bill Camp and especially Alfre Woodard are great, while Pilou Asbæk as Straker is chewing the scenery like he thinks he's in a different kind of horror film, and John Benjamin Hickey lacks the charisma to properly portray Father Callahan. But the biggest problem is nobody gets enough screen time. (Except Ben, but he's such a boring character that it doesn't matter.)

This movie was absolutely butchered in editing. It's reportedly missing about an hour of footage, and that is apparent from the very first baffling choice of scene. Salem's Lot is a slow burn of a novel, and there's a reason the earlier two adaptations are two-parter miniseries. This movie hurries almost everything along at far too fast a pace. However, certain scenes are allowed to properly breathe, so I assume this is due to studio meddling. I would be interested to see a full director's cut... though there's no way that's going to fix everything wrong with the movie.

One example: Jordan Preston Carter is not a bad young actor as a race-swapped Mark Petrie, but he's not great either, and when he goes full The Lost Boys on the vamps, it's very hard to accept. He feels like the "genius black kid" token except he's a genius at killing vampires. His parents aren't established as real characters, so their deaths mean nothing.

The visual effects are inconsistent. The vampires look pretty good overall. (YMMV, but my problem with Barlow is not his visual design... it's that he's not a proper character in this version of the story.) It looks great when they burst into flames in the sunlight. The famous bedroom window scene is appropriately surreal and spooky, though of course it's lifting a lot of that style from an earlier adaptation. But then you'll get a quick shot of someone being pulled offscreen that looks like a cheap digital effect. Stuff like this happens a number of times in the film. Almost none of it, good or bad, has any effect because the characters aren't set up properly.

The tone is mostly serious, but there are moments of humor. The problem is there aren't enough of them to establish that as part of the tone, so they just feel a little strange.

The score is absolutely terrible. Hamfistedly conventional and always present when something closer to silence would be more effective. It might be the part of the film I hated the most.

At least it all mostly looks good. You can't say it's photographed without skill, and certain scenes really stand out in terms of lighting and composition. This visual look deserved a better script.

That's how I feel about all the positive elements: "this deserved a better movie." The ending actually angered me it felt so perfunctory. (No, the cool epilogue from the novel isn't there.) Avoid this piece of shit unless you're crazy about vampires and this story in particular. Everyone else should go watch something like Midnight Mass.
 
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The practical effects, atmosphere and working class setting carry this film, because the acting, editing and script are mediocre even by B-movie standards.
I don't know if you know this, but Rob Bottin, who did the sfx for John Carpenter's The Thing, designed the fish men costumes. I have always thought that they were pretty creepy for a Roger Corman film.

Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed it. It's a favorite of mine.
 
I watched Poltergeist yesterday. Pretty good, the dialogue to me was hammy but the visuals and scares were great. My favourite scare was the one with the clown doll, it kept making think "ok, this time it's gonna get me" and made me guess at least four times when I would be jumpscared. It's both a funny and startling moment for me.

I don't know if I should watch Rosemary's Baby. I know there's the whole "love the art not the artist" thing but what I've read of Roman Polanski kind of puts me off from watching any of his films. What do you guys think of Rosemary's Baby? Is it good?
 
I watched Poltergeist yesterday. Pretty good, the dialogue to me was hammy but the visuals and scares were great. My favourite scare was the one with the clown doll, it kept making think "ok, this time it's gonna get me" and made me guess at least four times when I would be jumpscared. It's both a funny and startling moment for me.

I don't know if I should watch Rosemary's Baby. I know there's the whole "love the art not the artist" thing but what I've read of Roman Polanski kind of puts me off from watching any of his films. What do you guys think of Rosemary's Baby? Is it good?
I prefer the book, tbh.
 
I don't know if I should watch Rosemary's Baby. I know there's the whole "love the art not the artist" thing but what I've read of Roman Polanski kind of puts me off from watching any of his films. What do you guys think of Rosemary's Baby? Is it good?
It's very good. Polanski is a great talent as a director. That has nothing to do with his other, er, shortcomings.

And you get to watch a young, sexy mia Farrow!
 
I need some seriously good horror movies. Paranormal specifically. I also liked the Saw movies. So either paranormal or whatever genre saw is. Stuff like that. I am feeling so dry for high quality horror.

I am currently considering The Pope's Exorcist, Longlegs, Martyrs.
 
I need some seriously good horror movies. Paranormal specifically. I also liked the Saw movies. So either paranormal or whatever genre saw is. Stuff like that. I am feeling so dry for high quality horror.

I am currently considering The Pope's Exorcist, Longlegs, Martyrs.
Watch You're Next. Home invasion horror with a slight twist. I adore it.
 
Watched that yesterday. Like most new horror, it's competently executed but bland and unimaginative. You can see the plot twists coming from a mile away. Cage is funny/creepy but doesn't have much screen time.
I am feeling so dry for high quality horror.
Best new release I've seen in a long time is Brandon Cronenberg's Infinity Pool (2023).
 
I need some seriously good horror movies. Paranormal specifically. I also liked the Saw movies. So either paranormal or whatever genre saw is. Stuff like that. I am feeling so dry for high quality horror.

I am currently considering The Pope's Exorcist, Longlegs, Martyrs.
2022s "Incantation" might be up your street, if you don't mind subtitles.
 
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Watch You're Next. Home invasion horror with a slight twist. I adore it.
I will add it to the list! Thanks!

Watched that yesterday. Like most new horror, it's competently executed but bland and unimaginative. You can see the plot twists coming from a mile away. Cage is funny/creepy but doesn't have much screen time.

Best new release I've seen in a long time is Brandon Cronenberg's Infinity Pool (2023).
The comments on the pirate site I use just said "of course its interacial" so I immediately figured some bs but it is still on my list. I have not heard of infinity pool so I will check it out! Thank you!

Have you seen The Wailing?
I do not believe so. Added to my list of stuff to check out. Thank!

2022s "Incantation" might be up your street, if you don't mind subtitles.
I have subtitle PTSD from when I used to be a cringe fat weeb. I might still have a peek to see if its good. Thanks!
 
Best new release I've seen in a long time is Brandon Cronenberg's Infinity Pool (2023).
Glad to see Infinity Pool getting some love. It was very underrated upon release but I loved it, Very unique concept for a horror movie by today's standards. A lot of people complain about Mia Goth's performance saying she's too silly and annoying but I think it works for the kind of tone they're putting down. I honestly can't imagine anyone in her role playing it off completely seriously because it just wouldn't work well if that was tried and would probably bring the movie's whole mood down tbh. Infinity Pool makes me look forward to the future of Brandon Cronenberg's movies and I think he would make his father proud.
 
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I always have a special place in my heart for the old Universal Monster movies. Maybe because they played during Halloween when I was young or my dad loved them so much, but I always love watching them at this time of year.

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Here's the check list if you want.
There's a fanedit of the original Dracula that puts the scenes in a better order, one resembling the Spanish version of the film. I like watching the Spanish version after watching the original (despite the dodgy acting) just to see what parts got censored in the English version.

I remember watching this version of Dracula on PBS back in the 1970s. It lacks the style of, well, pretty much every other version, but it's fairly accurate and Louis Jourdan's Dracula has a feral menace to go with his sophistication. I find his version of Dracula very unnerving, since he seems less like a played up character and more like a guy you'd actually meet in real life.
 
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