Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[LaughJoke2.0]

It has already been over 10 years since the "Expanded Universe" was dropped from "canon" (in April 2014), and became "Legends", but somehow it doesn't feel quite that long.

I liked a lot of the EU, but it was never "Canon" this was Lucas' own stance.

 

[Gorton Colu]

I liked a lot of the EU, but it was never "Canon" this was Lucas' own stance.

Except it was. Lucas even had a Lucasfilm employee named Leland Chee as the arbiter of canon. Specifically there was a hierarchy of canon. G canon for whatever Goerge created or declared. The other categories escape me now, but his stuff was king of the hill with everything else lesser. Some of the EU was overriden when the prequels came out and either was discarded or retconned.

 

[LaughJoke2.0]

Except it was. Lucas even had a Lucasfilm employee named Leland Chee as the arbiter of canon. Specifically there was a hierarchy of canon. G canon for whatever Goerge created or declared. The other categories escape me now, but his stuff was king of the hill with everything else lesser. Some of the EU was overriden when the prequels came out and either was discarded or retconned.

Lucas had said he considered the EU a Parallel Universe to the Films. Lucas's hated Mara Jade and Luke being Married and while Lucas intended to explore it more depth in his sequels plans Luke was going to end up very much how we saw him in the Last Jedi. This is a big reason I wish Lucas and Kennedy never touched Star Wars after ROTJ.

 

[Registration]

Watched some parts of this video, I had to srip because of the cringe.

 

[William Murderface]

Lucas had said he considered the EU a Parallel Universe to the Films. Lucas's hated Mara Jade and Luke being Married and while Lucas intended to explore it more depth in his sequels plans Luke was going to end up very much how we saw him in the Last Jedi. This is a big reason I wish Lucas and Kennedy never touched Star Wars after ROTJ.

I could see Luke saying "look, I've got to go learn about the Force and the Jedi and it's going to take a bit of time since all the Jedi but me are dead and gone" and then going off into seclusion and coming back when the galaxy needed him, but not the Luke Disney gave us of "I had a bad dream and that's why I tried to kill m nephew, the Jedi needed to die, I'm going off to die, leave me alone...but here's a map just in case."

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Lucas had said he considered the EU a Parallel Universe to the Films. Lucas's hated Mara Jade and Luke being Married and while Lucas intended to explore it more depth in his sequels plans Luke was going to end up very much how we saw him in the Last Jedi. This is a big reason I wish Lucas and Kennedy never touched Star Wars after ROTJ.

He also said the opposite on the printed intro to Splinter of the Mind's Eye, where he praised the SWEU as a legitimate continuation of the story that started with the movies.

 

[LaughJoke2.0]

In the intro to Splinter of the Mind's Eye, he praised the contributions that new writers were adding to the Legacy of Star Wars that's not the same as calling it a "Legitimate Continuation" of the story.

Lucas like Disney always intended to mine the EU for what he liked while disregard the rest. Korriban became Moraban in the Clone Wars TV series because while Lucas liked the idea of a Sith Home World he didn't like the name. Lucas would never be a slave to EU canon and saw it as a proving ground to mine.

As for Lucas' idea for the sequels and his plans for Luke.

Luke's Sequel Trilogy would have centered around a story involving the Whills and Midichlorins the exact details are unknown just that it would involve them. The Villains were going to be Maul and Talon (A character created for Star Wars Legacy who Lucas liked her design) they were going to be running a criminal organization like Black Sun. The central Original Trilogy Character was going to Leia.

Luke in the first film would be off training the Jedi with many being literal children because Luke has adopted the philosophies of the Old Jedi Order that Jedi must be trained as kids and not marry and thus there would be no Mara Jade or Ben Skywalkers. One of Luke's students would be his nephew who would kill his students and turn to the dark side. Luke, feeling he failed would go off into seclusion to an old Jedi retreat and stay hidden. Until the two protagonists of the Sequel Trilogy found him it was two teenagers one a girl called Kira in some notes and is the main character. It would be her who would convince Luke to return to the fight. But in the end, it would be Luke but Leia who saves the universe when she brings balance to the force involving the Whills and the Midochlorians. He even was toying with the idea to reveal it was Leia not Anakin who was the true Chosen One since she would bring real balance to the force.

No mention in his notes of the Yuuzhan Vong or anything from the EU.

Is this as bad as the Last Jedi? No. Is it good? Also, IMO No.

Luke, Han, Leia, Chewie, and Lando had the perfect ending in ROTJ the Sequels were always bad idea no matter who was doing them.

I have no faith in Filoni if Ahsoka showed us anything all his Thrawn stuff will be is a pale imitation of the books where he replaces OG Characters with his Creations while jerking off to the Prequels.

To Quote Pet Sematary "Sometimes Dead is Better".

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Lucas had said he considered the EU a Parallel Universe to the Films. Lucas's hated Mara Jade and Luke being Married and while Lucas intended to explore it more depth in his sequels plans Luke was going to end up very much how we saw him in the Last Jedi. This is a big reason I wish Lucas and Kennedy never touched Star Wars after ROTJ.

Lucas says a lot of things.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

I think it's pretty impressive that so many cool ideas for Star Wars games over the years were ditched in favor of stuff like Outlaws.

In 2005 LucasArts cancelled multiple projects, both Star Wars and non-Star Wars. It's a real shame we never got those, most of them sounded very promising.

G canon for whatever Goerge created or declared. The other categories escape me now, but his stuff was king of the hill with everything else lesser.

Step below was TV canon (which unfortunately elevated Lucas-era Filoni's crap above everything else) and then Continuity canon which was the real meat - books, comic books and games.

 

[Ghostse]

Anakin comes back and chucks the Emperor down an elevator shaft, Lando blows up the second Death Star, the Empire is over, good wins, evil loses, they all live happily ever after.

Throw the Sith down the reactor

I could see Luke saying "look, I've got to go learn about the Force and the Jedi and it's going to take a bit of time since all the Jedi but me are dead and gone" and then going off into seclusion and coming back when the galaxy needed him, but not the Luke Disney gave us of "I had a bad dream and that's why I tried to kill m nephew, the Jedi needed to die, I'm going off to die, leave me alone...but here's a map just in case."

The chance to do realistic movie with the OG cast, by which I mean they actually contributed as more than cameos or aged, impotent versions of themselves, was lost when George didn't immediately start filming the sequels as soon as as principal filming concluded on RotS.
I can understand Lucas' position on this, in which Luke/Leia/Han were not deeply imprinted ont he actors because he came up with them and got actors to play them, but I refuse to believe he was so far gone up his own ass that he didn't understand those actors and the characters were inseparable.

Anyway, the minute you lost the principal cast, the only thing to do would be to reboot the series a few hundred or a few thousand years into the future. Have a new Sith Empire rising and threatening the restored republic, who gives a fuck. Maybe Luke cameo as a force ghost. But just do you own story and give every in the OT a happy ending.

To Quote Pet Sematary "Sometimes Dead is Better".

The most true statement about Disney Star Wars. It'd be batter if the property goes into the vault beside Song of the South.

 

[Rick The Stick]

Lucas had said he considered the EU a Parallel Universe to the Films. Lucas's hated Mara Jade and Luke being Married and while Lucas intended to explore it more depth in his sequels plans Luke was going to end up very much how we saw him in the Last Jedi. This is a big reason I wish Lucas and Kennedy never touched Star Wars after ROTJ.

Lucas hating Mara is a meme. And old one.

 

[Sneedmiser]

Lucas disavowing/never considering the EU real is a mix of flat-out misinformation and offhand statements he said during the process of selling Star Wars. Even before TCW there were several things he was heavily involved in and he had a lot of say in the various multimedia projects.

I don't want to get into it again, but the actual stance he held for most of his ownership of Star Wars has been buried beneath his disillusionment starting in 2008/9 and statements made by parties read: Pablo Hidalgo with a material interest in tearing down the EU.

I could see Luke saying "look, I've got to go learn about the Force and the Jedi and it's going to take a bit of time since all the Jedi but me are dead and gone" and then going off into seclusion and coming back when the galaxy needed him

He sort of does this in the EU, though he's busy with various crises and ends up refounding the Jedi Order before he's truly ready to, though it works out in the end. He actually goes through several pilgrimages in his life, including one like you're talking about/sort of like canon, in one of the shitty Legacy Era novel series.

Basically the idea has always had appeal and been around and like everything else in Disney Star Wars they stole it and made it worse.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

Who's gonna foot the bill for that protest if not the rich people having a bird?

If DSP can survive so can the Rebellion

I liked a lot of the EU, but it was never "Canon" this was Lucas' own stance.

Did Lucas really care about 'canon' in the first place though?

 

[William Murderface]

Luke's Sequel Trilogy would have centered around a story involving the Whills and Midichlorins the exact details are unknown just that it would involve them. The Villains were going to be Maul

Which would be a reversal of what Lucas said during the lead up to ROTS. One of the themes was Sidious going through apprentices because they keep dying off until he can get to the one he really wants. Maul was really just an expendable weapon, Dooku was great to rally the CIS systems around and cause the Clone Wars that would allow Palpy to eliminate the Jedi once and for all, but Anakin was the one he really wanted to train and eventually replace him. And the entire reason Lucas had Kenobi cut Maul in half and then fall into the pit was so nobody would keep going on about the return of Maul or when Maul was coming back or whatever. Maul was definitely dead at the end of TPM.

One thing I learned a long, long time ago was the Lucas is very inconsistent about just what it is he wants to do with Star Wars. I think he has the core of the stories in his head, but as he went along to put them on paper, so many of the detail would just keep changing as he would write and rewrite. Look at the original version of ANH versus what the final product was, or the Leigh Brackett version of TESB or his initial ideas for ROTJ.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

As for Lucas' idea for the sequels and his plans for Luke.

Lucas originally had zero plans for Luke. He didn't want to do any sequels at all. To him, Luke's story ended with ROTJ, and that's the end of Star Wars. At most, he liked Dark Empire. But if Lucas got his way, there would be no sequels, just SWEU writers doing whatever the fuck they want, so long as Papa Lucas was allowed to double-check their work.

Plans for a Sequel Trilogy were being drawn up close to the time of the Disney sale. Lucas was making those plans because the fans were calling for more movies and they hated that it ended with the Prequels. Like with TCW, Lucas was trying to compromise with the paste-eating retards who hated the Prequels; hence why he had Darth Maul revived in TCW because he was going to use the guy as the main baddie in his planned EP7. Lucas then handed these plans to Disney, who promptly threw them away so that JJ can make up his own Sequel Trilogy.

Lucas disavowing/never considering the EU real is a mix of flat-out misinformation and offhand statements he said during the process of selling Star Wars. Even before TCW there were several things he was heavily involved in and he had a lot of say in the various multimedia projects.

I don't want to get into it again, but the actual stance he held for most of his ownership of Star Wars has been buried beneath his disillusionment starting in 2008/9 and statements made by parties read: Pablo Hidalgo with a material interest in tearing down the EU.

Not to mention the fact that the man was involved with several EU projects. The Force Unleashed and Dark Empire in particular.

Yes, Force-users wiping out fleets with Force-storms that look like Kamehamehas from DBZ while fighting like Kratos with lightsabers was something Lucas worked with and had no problems with. Dark Empire had Lucas' seal of approval, with him even knocking off their original plot of a Vader impostor using superweapons and replacing it with Palpatine coming back and using the Force as a superweapon. Then he changed Haden Blackman's proposed game of a Wookiee going HULK SMASH! and replaced it with Vader's apprentice who can yank warships from the sky-which ended up becoming Force Unleashed.

The dude was fully behind the Sith becoming Super-Saiyans in all but name. He didn't give a shit about Mara Jade getting killed or Traviss the Mando-fetishist making the Jedi look bad, but his input in the SWEU made the Force-users OP, which gives new light to that time when Lucas made Vader say that the Death Star was nothing compared to the Force. Many audience members thought that the Dark Lord was speaking metaphorically. Lucas, by his actions with him fucking with SWEU stories and altering them to fit his desires, meant for Vader's line to be interpreted literally.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Master of Orion 2 (a 1996 "4X" game) has multiple clear references to Star Wars, and maybe more obscure ones.

• The biggest ship that can be built is a "Doom Star", a spherical ship requiring the tech of Planetoid Construction.
• A "Doom Star" can be equipped with "Stellar Converter", massive plasma cannon that can turn a planet into an asteroid belt.
• Android populations of farmers, workers, and scientists can be built. Sorta like how there's a variety of droids in SW.
• Once enough of the "galaxy" (more like an open cluster) is colonized, there's elections held for a galactic leader.
• The winning civilization of said election becomes the leader of the new "Galactic Republic" (IIRC).*

* (If player loses the election and doesn't agree with that result, the new "Galactic Republic" declares unending war on the player.)

 

[crunchy bits are the best]

Watched some parts of this video, I had to srip because of the cringe.

Oh he's one of those cringe YTs alright. Saw his entire video list months ago and I was like "Nope, he smells like soy and retardation."

 

[Judge Holden]

Oh he's one of those cringe YTs alright. Saw his entire video list months ago and I was like "Nope, he smells like soy and retardation."

Seen this particular catamite on xitter back when it was twitter a whole bunch during the nadir of the 2016-2019 late SJW/early Woke circlejerk.

Funnily enough his entire schtick aside from lisping his hatred for bigot boogieman of the week was being a super-duper harry potter fanboy, so much so that IIRC his avatar is based on his ravenclaw wizardsona which became rather hilarious for obvious reasons in recent years.

 

[Ghostse]

Oh he's one of those cringe YTs alright. Saw his entire video list months ago and I was like "Nope, he smells like soy and retardation."

The article he references is wrong on its face. 10+ years of this fan blacklash and they're still doing it.

 

[Registration]

The article he references is wrong on its face. 10+ years of this fan blacklash and they're still doing it.

What bothers me the most of the starting spark of this video is the idea of hiring Youtubers when you have a pool of novelists in your publishing wing already from the present and the past. Comission some ideas from them, use whatever you want from it and do a movie.

Why not hire someone like John Jackson Miller to write for the Kenobi tv show? He already did it in the past, even with whatever changes Disney wants, it would probably be a better product than the trash that was made