Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[AMHOLIO]

It baffles me why FTMs don't try to train their voices down, they just rely on T for everything. Women can do fake low voices same as men can do fake high ones. It doesn't sound great, but it sounds less stupid than Kermit.

This implies that troons put effort into things. This is not true.

 

[BIG SHOT Autos]

I've heard accounts of people turning straight after taking dewormers or when given extra testosterone.

I heard a lot of something... Well, not exactly "opposite", but it seems that HRT of both kinds makes people crave dick. Lesbians and straight men becoming bi from HRT is really common. Funny how you mention testosterone, because I know a guy who instead started being insterested in men briefly, for the time he took it. I've also heard of a guy who became straight after getting pretty severe brain damage.

The whole phenomena is interesting to research. I don't think it's a matter of "curing" though, don't like framing it this way. Not only for the classic reason that, yes, it's conversion therapy rhetoric built on "medical wonders" of XX century which brought us transgenderism as we know it in first place, but also because this is how radicalism and dehumanization of all kinds can be born, not just the mainstream "let's experiment on minorities" one. Radfems too use medicine, biology, and logic to build their arguments around eliminating males and some genuinely consider attraction to men to be an illness and I can bet money they will come up with an argument built on logic and scientific research that would be hard to debunk. Won't make it sane, nor humane, nor even natural. That, and also because sexuality is a complex pattern, as indicated by my examples.

I mean, if we start being too pretentious about our intelligence, the fact that Y-chromosome is disappearing and there's nothing we can do about it and it's natural that is mutates and deteriorates, is enough to draw a conclusion that men are a biological aberration, a "disease" as a whole. But nobody in their sane mind would do that, other than political radicals, and it's no different to make the same assumption about homosexual behavior. Which on itself wasn't associated with any kind of specific disorder or decay by the way, unlike Y-chromosome which is prone to mutating a lot, that's why men are more likely to have genetic disorders, than women. Still not an excuse to associate maleness as a whole with disease and look for an artificial "solution" to breed healthier babies.

There can't be a solution of this sorts for a problem that literally exists as a product of social construct. Animals with high prevalence of bisexual and homosexual behavior don't come to an artificial "solution" induced by horrific pseudomedicine, they just exist, with all individuals playing their own reproductive/social role in species.

That said, despite my rant, I think it's still an interesting subject to research, if there's no politics attached to it. Also, my criticism goes to both sides of radicals. I don't know why gay flamingos form same sex families that aren't different from opposite sex families while gay humans eradicated a whole generation of themselves through AIDS because they couldn't stop taking drugs and keeping their dicks in pants. Hey, maybe it's humanity that is a disease that needs a cure. All jokes aside, I do truly think that most issues of these sorts lie more within human nature itself than homosexuality as a bare trait. People in general are prone to odd forms of (self)destruction with us traditionally associating it with homosexuality, when in reality it's just something humanity likes to think; to have a convenient trait, a scapegoat, to blame, all while not fully registering majority of people who fuck up things in ways that are as, if not more, horrific. (I mean, majority of trannies and pooners are hets who would never touch a member of their sex.) Maybe to homosexuals it's a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point. Kind of like with every other group that grew up with ideas they can't brush off, like children of alcoholics who grew up to be alcoholics themselves because that's the "appropriate" coping mechanism they internalized growing up, and so on.

So many thoughts...

 

[Spawn of Yakub]

new here and first post so lets have at it. why are the trans in western countries so bizzare compared to the ones from other countries? like trans ppl are the only thing I can say is a higher quality when made in China Europes are meh somewhat u=in between but its perpexing how the species differs

 

[AMHOLIO]

new here and first post so lets have at it. why are the trans in western countries so bizzare compared to the ones from other countries? like trans ppl are the only thing I can say is a higher quality when made in China Europes are meh somewhat u=in between but its perpexing how the species differs

More eastern cultures place an emphasis on the collective rather than the individual. This means family and community embarrasment means a LOT there, to the point of every weirdo getting shamed into place. Meanwhile, in western countries, you have the individual over the collective, and expressions of self are more normalized and even celebrated. There's not the same type of dishonor attached to your family for being a fucking weirdo in the west and less pressure and force to conform, thus there's more people flying their freak flag high. Mind you, places like east asia have a horrible track record of mental illness related deaths due to shame and stigma attached to things like that, and western cultures being more excited to stand out leads to its own stupidity, it is just what culture you can thrive better in.

Troons also have greater numbers and more power to assemble in less homophobic places. Stricter gay laws and social norms means conforming more to society's will so you show you're not weird, less strict laws allow for more freedom of expression. While this can mean you have some normal openly feminine gay men, this leads to perverts co-opting the movement to wave their freak flag high and ride off the piggyback of the LGBT.

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

My workplace is doing some Diversity, Equity and Inclusion shite about troons and it struck me how boring and soulless they are. They can't take a joke and they only make everyone else as miserable as them.
The best part was it's Navratri, some Hindu goddess festival, so all the pajeets were having a party instead. They were handing out sweets and taught us the lore about the "divine feminine" and how it's tied to the womb that gives life and some other TERFy stuff, and then we had a dance party. The jeets don't give a fuck about troons lol it rules

eta: I just realised partying with the pajeets taught me far more about diversity and inclusion than listening to yet another coomer drone on about his fetish. I know a load more things about a different culture and tradition now than I did before and shared some of mine too.

 

[Hassou Tobi]

Came across long, thoughtful video essay and the voice was a bit froggy but could have just been a girl with a unique voice. Looked in the comments and she mentioned that she’s “been on and off hormones”. Also mentioned finishing her college finals.


Gender ideology really has been a menace to smart, young nerd girls. It’s horrible.

 

[The Lawgiver]

Animals with high prevalence of bisexual and homosexual behavior don't come to an artificial "solution" induced by horrific pseudomedicine, they just exist, with all individuals playing their own reproductive/social role in species.

Except for ducks and dolphins. Those are animals that are not only intelligent-ish but also fucking notorious for raping the shit out of things for shits and giggles for centuries to the point you have the fucking concept of evolution itself attempting to stop the rampant raping.

 

[BIG SHOT Autos]

Except for ducks and dolphins. Those are animals that are not only intelligent-ish but also fucking notorious for raping the shit out of things for shits and giggles for centuries to the point you have the fucking concept of evolution itself attempting to stop the rampant raping.

Dolphins are legit the creatures who would be full on kweer shit if they understood it. BoJack Horseman should have had a dolphin hon as a character...

 

[deermeat]

Went out w my step sibling to the Downtown tourist-y cushy hipster area of my small town. The two shops we went to had LGBT sprinkled in. It's crazy once you realize how much LGBT is really just "TQ" and nothing more. I saw like, what. One lesbian pride flag? It being the design of the NB-troony inclusive pride flag and not the OG.
The rest of anything related to LGBT stuff was alll about being "queer", pronouns, non binary and troon stuff. Maybe a joke item referring how "gay" they are, something a pooner would wear.

Then again I dont know. I don't like rainbow capitalism, but I guess its moreso a reminder of how much trans ideology is a straight person movement.

 

[Idiot Sandwich the 3rd]

Went out w my step sibling to the Downtown tourist-y cushy hipster area of my small town. The two shops we went to had LGBT sprinkled in. It's crazy once you realize how much LGBT is really just "TQ" and nothing more. I saw like, what. One lesbian pride flag? It being the design of the NB-troony inclusive pride flag and not the OG.
The rest of anything related to LGBT stuff was alll about being "queer", pronouns, non binary and troon stuff. Maybe a joke item referring how "gay" they are, something a pooner would wear.

Then again I dont know. I don't like rainbow capitalism, but I guess its moreso a reminder of how much trans ideology is a straight person movement.

You'll never find an actual lesbian flag anywhere these days, the creator of that flag got canceled for wrongthink so her flag needed to be inmediatly changed by the mainstream.
You'll have more luck finding a troon flag that has never been changed ever since it was created by an actual confirmed pedophile that wrote a book openly admiring to having sexual fantasies with little girls though

 

[Slideshow Bill]

I didn't want to put this in her thread to give people the false hope of an update but Milo Stewart has been MIA since about February and it's almost Halloween. What do you think happened to her? I think I said that if she wasn't heard from by Halloween, then she is probably dead or was forcibly institutionalized by her parents. I want a happy ending for her and I hope that maybe she moved to a small town where no one knows her, but she would have DFE'd, right? But I think the "forced into the funny farm" is more likely. She disappeared a short while after posting nudes. Maybe that was too much for her parents?

 

[SwanSwanson]

Also, i was already transitioning when I joined.

You were already transitioning when you made this thread?

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/tranny-sideshows-on-social-media.33028/

Yeah. Doubt.

 

[Aunt Carol]

he disappeared a short while after posting nudes. Maybe that was too much for her parents?

I thought Milo's parents were "supportive," though. It's really, really hard to institutionalize someone else who's over 18 and not actively trying to murder-death-kill. It's a definite mystery--not even vague posting from online friends?--but I'd put her as the prime mover.

 

[YWNBAM]

So this post from the transbian thread inspired me on some uninspired rambling. It’s a long one, so I think it’s more fitting to post here.

My theory is that it’s not just about becoming the opposite sex, it’s about creating an entire persona. One that’s cooler, sexier and more interesting than the sad sack men they are.

Bingo. Even when I was on the ally side of things, similar thoughts occurred to me whenever I’ve found another male neckbeard youtuber or xitter artist going «bisexual lesbian whore». While happy they found their true self, I couldn’t quite articulate why there’s this small part of me always being grossed out.

And then, after listening to the Joon the King’s video about Jerry Peet, it finally hit me.

There’s this very painful, awful part of the dude’s pre-transition biography where he posed as «Tara Callie» and tried to catfish a lesbian into dating him. The persona he used in question was a tall, dominant, depraved bisexual woman who, according his lore, sexually assaulted underage girls and had incestuous relationship with her sister. All while also dating Jerry, and, of course, being obsessed with him. Having her cake (being a hot lesbian) and eating it too (still having sex with men and getting attention from them).

While there are huge Freudian slips between him and his persona, especially in the criminal part, dear lord, one can easily tell how much «cooler» this Tara Callie is. She is confident, beautiful, strong, rich, but, most of all, very sexually active. Everyone is just into her. And if someone isn’t, she can easily force herself on them, and avoid any consequences. She is everything Jerry, a constantly horny, touch-starved guy is his early twenties, wished he could be and do.

And that’s a thing for all men who use such online personas before trooning out – they make their own idealized, openly sexual selves. But why are they always female? Could it be that they are truly women on the inside and it’s all just a phase before coming out? Yeah, about that…

There’s this genre called gender bender/body switch. Originally used for a quick joke or moral lessons about grass not being greener on the other side, it slowly derailed into being specifically about men appropriating «the perks» of womanhood.

Imagine a following plot: a relatable male loser has no luck with love or friendship. He is very plain, boring, maybe with some perverted thoughts, and a crush who’ll never look his way. But then though some shenanigans he turns into not just a girl, but a very hot one. And suddenly, not just his crush, but everyone, both men and women, want to get into «her» pants. «She» is the center of attention. «She» might be against male attention at first, but then due to ~female hormones~ becomes a horny slut/dominant vamp, who still, of course, gets some lesbian action on the side when «she» feels like it. No partner, female or male, has any real problem with what «she» does except being jealous, since they are just that in love with our so-beautiful-it’s-a-curse protagonist. And, in the end, after pages upon pages of «b-but I am a guy!...» and fucking around, our protagonist stays a woman forever and goes on to live with the meat piece the love interest of their choice.

Can you guess the name of the story I was describing? It doesn’t matter – they are all like that. The so-called trans-discovery stories are mostly just wish-fulfillment gay porn-bait which masquerades as straight to lure in the closeted guys. A crossdressing plot is also very close to it. A boy puts on a dress and suddenly, despite any biological nuances, turns into a much better, cuter girl than any actual ones in the story. And no one, no one can tell!

I always hated these stories since there’re so many unfortunate implications to count. «Women are these invincible sex gods who can fuck anyone they want», «YOU can EASILY be that sex god, just put on a skirt, bro», or just pure evil – «As a man you will always be a lonely loser, don’t even try to work on yourself. Nobody will love you the way you were born» and «Since you’re such a failure as a man, it means you’re a woman».

So, when I hear the news of yet another nerd calling himself «Lilith the lesbian futanari» I can’t help but to associate him with these stories and feel disgusted.

It’s such a mishmash of self-hatred, narcissism, gender stereotypes, internal misandry, and misogyny at the same time. These men idealize the way women exist, and project all of their suppressed, dark desires onto this perfect female form they, and, as they assume, everyone else would adore. This way they stay disassociated from said desires, and avoid looking into their depraved or homosexual urges («uh, it’s a woman doing all this, not a man! So it's okay!»).

All these transmaxxers rhetoric didn’t appear out of thin air. There were there in male media for decades, maybe even centuries. Lingering at the back of minds, until bursting out and turning a seemingly normal on the surface man into a walking nightmare for everyone around him. Unlike these fantasy worlds where their female Mary Sue personas ran supreme, real people aren’t npcs to have sex with, so when they ruin a tranny’s illusion by not acting how their horny gender bender story promised they would, he starts a violent tantrum to force them to go back to the script inside his head. The lesbians, unfortunately, get the worst of it.

 

[YWNBAM]

Apologies for doubleposting. I'd like to end my rant with another plot description and a rethorical question to the true and honest trans ladies that might be reading this thread for some reason.

I’ve seen this short comic video on Youtube where a boy gets bullied by his male classmates but then gets an advice to start crossdressing to make it stop. It works, in his female form he’s popular, and all guys who hated him like him (because now he has a value to them as a sex object). Happy end.

So, is this something you consider the correct way of action? Break under the pressure the other males give you and seek refuge in the shell of a man-pleasing fantasy to avoid being hurt? Is this what you call «self-discovery»?

To me it sounds more like a psychological horror story about a very sad, self-destructive man.

 

[Wallace]

It’s such a mishmash of self-hatred, narcissism, gender stereotypes, internal misandry, and misogyny at the same time. These men idealize the way women exist, and project all of their suppressed, dark desires onto this perfect female form they, and, as they assume, everyone else would adore. This way they stay disassociated from said desires, and avoid looking into their depraved or homosexual urges («uh, it’s a woman doing all this, not a man! So it's okay!»).

This is called the incel-to-troon pipeline.

 

[Not A Bunny]

incel-to-troon pipeline

I think a brave 4channer should flood incel spaces with the idea that they too can transmax with the logic that they cam finally get the compassion, companionship and community they don't get as a man.

I'm pretty sure it happens already but not in the kind of numbers it takes for normies to notice.

I think if troons got their pool filled with undesirables, they might grow a bit of self-awareness (fraught though that hope is) about what they're like to the rest of us.

 

[Wallace]

I think a brave 4channer should flood incel spaces with the idea that they too can transmax with the logic that they cam finally get the compassion, companionship and community they don't get as a man.

I'm pretty sure it happens already but not in the kind of numbers it takes for normies to notice.

I think if troons got their pool filled with undesirables, they might grow a bit of self-awareness (fraught though that hope is) about what they're like to the rest of us.

You're about six years too late. Also, if you think the troon pool is filled with anything besides undesirables, I have some bad news for you.

 

[Susanna]

I think a brave 4channer should flood incel spaces with the idea that they too can transmax with the logic that they cam finally get the compassion, companionship and community they don't get as a man.

I'm pretty sure it happens already but not in the kind of numbers it takes for normies to notice.

I think if troons got their pool filled with undesirables, they might grow a bit of self-awareness (fraught though that hope is) about what they're like to the rest of us.

You may enjoy reading @vintologi's transmaxxing manifesto.

 

[Not A Bunny]

You're about six years too late. Also, if you think the troon pool is filled with anything besides undesirables, I have some bad news for you.

If that's true, I'm officially out of the loop. And that feels kind of nice.