Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

He's pretending, omg this is so hideous lol! I know it's hideous and I'm doing a bit, see, I'm actually cool and way above this.
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But actually he's worried as fuck that his dross is bottoming out in the ratings, and so he's basically aping this:
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-and pretending he's totally not, it's actually ironic? I'm telling you it is. Just in case you didn't realise. Because my irony is so subtle, see.


He's feeling a little bit less sure of himself so he's moved on from his arch "allow thee a peek behind the curtain" thing, where he blithely talks about youtube analytics in an above it all, but get that bag, no ethical consumption under capitalism, babes-
way that he did before. Now this is more aligned with the panicked pretend hilarity in his tik toks. He is not handling the fact his lack of talent has caught up with the peak his hustle was able to reach.

It's fun to see.
 
That thumbnail tells me nothing about the video. We have a bad cosplay of Johnny Dell’s Hatter in the middle who does not look fatigued even though the text underneath says “i’m so tired”.

What does it mean that underneath Kamala is “too much information” and Trump’s text is “the election is cooked”?

I’ve got a better idea. Have the Mid Hatter look insane in front of a burning United States with “Election 2024” written on top. Express an emotion besides curious boredom.
 
He's pretending, omg this is so hideous lol! I know it's hideous and I'm doing a bit, see, I'm actually cool and way above this.
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But actually he's worried as fuck that his dross is bottoming out in the ratings, and so he's basically aping this:
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-and pretending he's totally not, it's actually ironic? I'm telling you it is. Just in case you didn't realise. Because my irony is so subtle, see.


He's feeling a little bit less sure of himself so he's moved on from his arch "allow thee a peek behind the curtain" thing, where he blithely talks about youtube analytics in an above it all, but get that bag, no ethical consumption under capitalism, babes-
way that he did before. Now this is more aligned with the panicked pretend hilarity in his tik toks. He is not handling the fact his lack of talent has caught up with the peak his hustle was able to reach.

It's fun to see.
It's less MrBeast (plasticky face, bizarre composition, pure image to lure in children who can't read) and more Gen Z commentary YouTuber (subject collaged in background, speaker highlighted in front, clickbaity text overlay designed to hook the scroller if the title alone doesn't do it).

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Olly's attempt at this style is clumsy and tonedeaf as usual — the text is more goldenrod than the fluorescent yellow on trend; the phrases chosen add no hook to the pictures beyond "how do you do fellow kids."

What does it mean that underneath Kamala is “too much information” and Trump’s text is “the election is cooked”?
It means that Olly's a bright young thing hip enough with the times to say things like "cooked." Next thing we know he'll be ijboling and going on about aura and dropping the h in "yeah." He's already nailed the liberal use of skull emojis.
 
It's less MrBeast (plasticky face, bizarre composition, pure image to lure in children who can't read) and more Gen Z commentary YouTuber (subject collaged in background, speaker highlighted in front, clickbaity text overlay designed to hook the scroller if the title alone doesn't do it).
I feel vindicated now in my shizoposting about this going back years.
 
He's totally fishing for compliments. "No, you looks so beautiful/cool/stylish!!"
His dumb cow fans will give it to him one way or another. "Amazing!"
If that was his intention, he only got two or three (poor Helena):

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Quite a few (presumably unintentionally) transphobic comments saying he looks like a man though:

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Also a random cow crossover from Peter Coffin:

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Apparently he's deliberately hideous:
I can see what he's trying to do. He's trying to do a deconstructed tailoring piece meets Vivienne Westwood. You know those sorts of jackets that look like they've been snatched halfway finished off a tailor's dummy/run blindly through a sewing machine and have raw edges, basting stitches, tailor's chalk marks, pinned on patch pockets etc. Like this:
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They're exclusively high fashion pieces because essentially you need to deeply understand traditional tailoring practices in order to effectively subvert them - otherwise you look like a toddler who's rolled around in mother's sewing box and got fabric scraps randomly stuck on, which is what has happened to Ollie. Adding in Vivienne Westwood influences has ultimately resulted in him looking like a bad rip off of a 1980s Doctor Who companion.
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I am too, Choobs, after looking at that. He also cut one leg off a pair of suit trousers.

As the above screenshot alludes to, I forgot to cancel my Nebula subscription so here's the Cliffs Notes on his latest video. He opens with this incredibly pretentious intro
I'm gonna perform this entire video as one uncut take with no edits. If I make a mistake we are just going to keep it in. It's kind of an attempt to create an anticontent, going against the best practices of social media content. I guess that used to be called art, right?
His whole performance - and he's very much performing - is reminiscent of a certain style of British TV presenter but he doesn't quite land it. So instead he comes across more like the GMTV weather nonce jumping around on a floating copy of the British Isles. I think this is either intended to act a bit like a demo reel, or is just his way of cheering himself up now he's got no more projects lined up and he's having to make his YouTube videos again (which we know he wants to leave behind for proper acting). It does at points feel a little bit critical of his own fans, but I think that's unintentional.
Anyway he intends to bust three myths. Although he says bust and pretends to forget his lines, so instead just says "I'm going to bust" and then leaves a long "comedy" pause. This joke reoccurs in the video. The myths are:
  1. The problem is fake news
  2. TikTok Teens will save the world
  3. Social media holds politicians accountable
For the first segment he talks about how societies need a lot of information to function ("how many swords do we have?", "how many barbarians are at the gate?", "how quickly can we make a lot more swords?") and that on paper, liberal democracies with strong human rights protections should perform better than dictatorships, as dictators end up surrounded by yes-men and so don't get the information they need. While in the past, there were few sources of information (i.e. newspapers), now social media means anyone can share their perspective. Although this does sound good because it means we're exposed to more information and more viewpoints, it ends up as an information overload. One is learned helplessness where you just give up trying to consume information and just go off vibes, and the other one is selective exposure.
This response is really good for platforms themselves. If everyone's sorted into their nice little algorithmic niche, that makes it easier to hit us with targeted ads - and we love it! Posting nice, simple content that aligns with your niche gets you that sweet, sweet clout in the form of likes and shares. I mean what do you get by posting challenging, nuanced content? I guess I wouldn't know. Selective exposure might contribute to political polarisation and maybe an increase in authoritarian thinking as people come to believe that discussion is impossible 'cause everyone's living in wildly different versions of reality. Although I should stress that from the research I've read, that remains an unproven theory. It's a thing some people worry might be happening.
He attempts a self deprecating joke "showing self awareness" but it doesn't work because he's basically dismissing the idea breadtube has made a certain segment of the internet into extremists. Like with a lot of his videos, the arguments he applies to the right wing also apply to his content and fanbase.

The point is that both of these effects (learned helplessness and selective exposure) can be gamed by bad actors. He discusses the Chinese government paying people to post on social media, and Tenet Media accepting funding from the Russians. His basic argument boils down to "fake news" not being the problem, it's more deliberate information overload, and the fans of people like Tim Pool don't really care if something is true or false because sharing his content fulfils a psychological need, so tackling the source is more important than trying to debunk what they say - ergo the problem is not fake news.

He then talks about how social media has achieved some things. As an actor he noticed since #MeToo intimacy coordinators are more common on sets (glossing over the fact he's never actually worked with one on a set as we've mercifully not had to endure a Choob sex scene). Likewise BLM was able to accrue millions in funding (no mention on what happened to that funding). However being able to grow a movement massively online can mean it's too big to organise, so it fizzles out and dodges accountability for leadership. This also defangs movements - if most people at a protest march are just there to take pictures of their funny protest signs, governments can ignore them because they know there won't be any direct action. He counts this as "partially" busting the second myth.

The third one about social media holding politicians accountable - this was thought to be possible, but the Arab Spring basically failed, China uses social media to control its population and Western elections are vulnerable to disinfo campaigns on social media. But while social media may help you humiliate someone, that's not the same thing as holding them accountable because that's more about organisations. Organisations limit the amount of information they process as they grow larger, to avoid getting overwhelmed - e.g. nobody at Boeing decided to make shit planes, they cut costs and ignored whistleblowers and therefore dismantled the systems that fed information back to the top, resulting in a system that made shit planes - but no one individual can be held accountable for that. So social media might increase the information out there, but if organisations don't process it, there's no accountability. Kony 2012 joke. Myth busted.

At this point it's the halfway mark in the video - he summarises that the things that make social media good also make it bad, which prompts the question "Now what?". He tells the viewer he's setting up for a rug pull and there's a twist coming (he's incapable of making a video with a twist without doing this). He discusses middleware, which outsources the filtering of social media to third party companies and lets people choose between filtering options like picking a browser. So if you were worried about Conservative voices being silenced, you could pick a middleware that only showed you right wing content. Then he starts talking about his naked body:
There are some potential privacy issues with middleware. For example, if I post nudes, and your middleware company filters nudity, do they get to see my tiddies even though I didn't sign up to them and I didn't consent to them seeing that data? That data that is my tiddies? Like presumably they have to see it in order to filter it, but do you see how that would be a problem?
I do feel for the poor content filter assistant who has to see Ollie naked. He also says it doesn't solve the selective exposure issue, although he previously dismissed that necessarily being an issue. This entire process was proposed in a paper by Francis Fukuyama while getting funded by a private equity firm that specialised in middle market companies, and therefore this entire thing is actually just an illicit information campaign to make an equity firm more money (or is it only illicit when foreign companies try to influence government, and not when American companies try to influence the American government?).

Social media is an outgrowth of surveillance capitalism (making money off of browser history etc to create targeted ads etc). This is leaking into the real world with the Internet of Things - e.g. a car insurance company could track your driving habits and adjust your premium in real time, or even send you behavioural nudges (sending a notification that if you keep driving as fast as you are, they'll increase your premiums). The most profitable way of predicting behaviour for things like targeted ads is to use behavioural modification. Politicians and governments can therefore do this too (Cambridge Analytica, Chinese social credit scores) using the same technology that Instagram uses to nudge you into buying things you don't need.

These actions (behavioural nudging, constant surveillance, waiving rights through ToS) are anti-democratic and corrosive to society. This is also associated with cryptocurrency replacing banks and governments with the blockchain. Same with AI. Shosanna Zuboff proposes legislation to outlaw all these forms of technology, but that will be very difficult considering how many huge companies and governments rely on this tech. Ollie argues he could still do YouTube without all the tracking data like we did in 2005, and it's not even an anti-capitalist argument because you could do capitalism without this tech (in fact, surveillance capitalism arguably represents a break from free-market ideology into something more centrally controlled). Whole sections of the government and the economy are effectively an illict influence campaign - which runs counter to the principles of democracy itself.

Although that's maybe not such a bad thing (he does shifty eyes here to show his character is becoming villainous). If democracy is just a way of gathering and processing information, why not replace it with computers that know what everybody wants, condition them into wanting things, solve their problems for them before they know it? Replace democracy with a system where the best, most technically able people make the decisions rather than the unwashed mob? Ollie is very smart but has lost every election he voted in - he lives in England, but have you seen the people that run that place? He should be in charge! He could do a better job with his eyes closed! And if people wouldn't listen to him, he could use tech to make them listen. Cut back to Ollie's character being non-villainous, explaining how common that sort of thinking is becoming in the tech world. Tech can enable authoritarians, and while democracy can be frustrating people with lots of knowledge don't have the right to tell others what to do but instead use it to help others. Democracy isn't optimised for the best decisions or best leaders, but has the most respect for everyone's equal humanity.
He's not saying anything new or groundbreaking here - and actually doesn't talk about the US election at all beyond making a touch grass joke. He's effectively summarising some known issues with social media and linking them to being undemocratic and authoritarian, which nobody can really disagree with. I guess it's probably a decent video for teenagers who've never known a world without social media and haven't considered how extensively social media and tracking data can be used to manipulate you... but if they were already wondering about that (and so were motivated to view this video) they'd likely already know.

He doesn't really have any solution either. He acknowledges the luddite proposal to completely ban everything to do with tracking data, targeted advertising, behavioural nudges, smartphones etc - but then also acknowledges that this would be highly impracticable, and then just sort of leaves it there while saying Elon Musk Bad. It was a very hollow video, not helped by him overacting his "character of PhilosophyTube". One thing I would say is that it does actually function as a summary of existing information with examples, which I guess is what PhilosophyTube was first conceived as, so his format (vs his one with "acting skits" and guest appearances from YouTubers) has got him more on track.
 
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says "I'm going to bust" and then leaves a long "comedy" pause. This joke reoccurs in the video.
Far from approaching being a good joke, this would only even really be recognisable as a joke if the only people who use that expression weren't a small subsection of overly online Americans. Ditto "tiddies" 🤮

The clothing thing throws me a bit in this, because it's a more theatrical costumey piece, rather than just an assortment of existing clothes, yet he says that Brian wasn't involved this time.
So did he run it together on the sewing machine himself? Did he commission or buy an existing piece from someone else?
It's just odd that this is the one that isn't just - tho disgusting-normal, off the peg clothes with a bit of this or that easily stuck on. It's basically an arsebackwards use of what a stylist would usually be brought in for.


"If everyone's sorted into their nice little algorithmic niche, that makes it easier to hit us with targeted ads - and we love it! Posting nice, simple content that aligns with your niche gets you that sweet, sweet clout in the form of likes and shares"

People don't 'love it', they endlessly complain about it and have done for nearly a decade.
He will just pick a truth lol
 
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So did he run it together on the sewing machine himself? Did he commission or buy an existing piece from someone else?
He claims to have made it himself and I can believe it because it's very poorly made
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What he's done here is gotten two different blazers from a charity shop, cut them in half down the back and put them together. There's also a women's pink blazer he's shittily hacked up (the lapel hasn't been seam ripped, it's cut wonkily) and what I thought were fabric pins are in fact STAPLES. He's stapled it together. He's done the same with what I assume is a black blazer but it's hard to tell because the fabric cuts are so shapeless, and then hacked up the grey blazer's sleeve for some reason. And like I said, he's cut a leg off the suit trousers (the suit trousers go with the grey pinstripe blazer, so possibly this is one of his old "boymode" suits).

He was obviously going for this sort of effect:
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which is undeniably hideous - but in a very intentional way. I'd still say it was too far into the realms of "first year fashion student project" but you can sort of see a deliberateness in the approach. But he didn't make that. He didn't even manage to make a sort of punk version of that. He made nothing. It's just bits of old suits stapled together haphazardly (they're not even fully attached so bits flap around distractingly). Of course, Ollie would insist that this is actually exactly wanted to make so it would prompt this exact reaction, but it's painfully not the case. I wonder if he asked Bryan to make it and when Bryan said no (because stylists might be able to make alterations but they're not exactly high fashion tailors... or because he knew how hideous it'd be) he just decided to try and bodge something together.
 
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I don't think that's actually usual, Olly.
Maybe you and the other posh shit bags were shit at acting and should have taken the neon sign of a hint.
So if what he’s saying is true, there are insane people who have apparently have zero talent auditioning at these schools like 100s of times, wasting everyone’s time? And he thinks it will be great to scrap fees so every insane person can audition at every school every year? They could just offer needs based help for those who cant afford it or make the first X number of auditions free for everyone. His anecdote makes scrapping fees entirely sound like a horrible idea.
 
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Would love to know if this is for an actual named character and if so which one?
Hulk Choob arc incoming?

I want to see him flex his gigantic male dainty trans feminine muscles while looking more blatantly male stunningly and bravely female than ever.
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I don't think that's actually usual, Olly.
Maybe you and the other posh shit bags were shit at acting and should have taken the neon sign of a hint.
10+ tries to get into drama school, and yet after all that time and money spent he's still shit at acting.

The drama school that sent Choob their rejection letter on the same day clearly were desperate to get rid of him because they knew it would be a complete waste to accept him in their midst.
 
As an actor he noticed since #MeToo intimacy coordinators are more common on sets (glossing over the fact he's never actually worked with one on a set as we've mercifully not had to endure a Choob sex scene).
Not a full-on sex scene, but perhaps one was involved when he was biting the token black guy in DEG?

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Ollie is very smart but has lost every election he voted in - he lives in England, but have you seen the people that run that place? He should be in charge! He could do a better job with his eyes closed! And if people wouldn't listen to him, he could use tech to make them listen.
Fairly sure this is actually what he thinks.

Also where was the twist? Is this supposed to be the twist? That was it? I wasn't expecting anything good, but I was expecting more than that after he hyped up the twist so much.

He made nothing. It's just bits of old suits stapled together haphazardly (they're not even fully attached so bits flap around distractingly).
A perfect metaphor for his whole life/career - fragments haphazardly stapled together, falling apart. But it doesn't quite add up to a full human being.
 
Also where was the twist? Is this supposed to be the twist? That was it? I wasn't expecting anything good, but I was expecting more than that after he hyped up the twist so much
Oh it's a bit lost in the summary. He starts out saying middleware would solve many of the problems around social media platforms forcing an algorithm down your throat, only to "subvert" it by revealing that the paper proposing it was as part of the Stanford Cyber Policy Centre. The Stanford Cyber Policy Centre is apparently a partnership between Stanford University and Freeman Spogli, a private equity firm specialising in middle market companies (who therefore have a vested interest in something like middleware). One of the cofounders, the venture capitalist Ronald Spogli, was made the American ambassador to Italy as a result of his friendship with George W Bush.

I take his general point that although middleware could address many of the issues around how social media algorithms operate, those middleware companies could still be subject to regulatory capture from political interests, which would then undoubtedly compromise any perceived good they might achieve. I just think it's a bit facile to treat it as a complete gotcha (and therefore a twist). "Look at who funded this study" isn't a one and done, that's (at best) an AS Level critical analysis. Naturally funding for research has to come from somewhere, and while a middle market funder will prompt bias it will also be interested in how middle market options can solve issues and so it makes sense for them to support this sort of research. Especially in scenarios where it comes down to policy proposals (rather than cigarette companies commissioning research into the health impacts of smoking) you maybe need to delve deeper into the meat of their argument over writing the argument off because it was funded by someone who'd benefit from it.
 
So if what he’s saying is true, there are insane people who have apparently have zero talent auditioning at these schools like 100s of times, wasting everyone’s time? And he thinks it will be great to scrap fees so every insane person can audition at every school every year?
Yes. As I mentioned once here, people like Chube can afford to shoot more barrels since they have more money and time so in theory you can be a mid actor from a rich family, get your degree and spend your life making plays for tots. Scraping audition fees isn't a terrible idea to inject some new blood and allow working class people in but it wouldn't solve shit because the rich kids still have more time and money to get around and get most of the opportunities.

You can of course just try to be a natural actor who attends every workshop your wagie job allows you too and say yes to every production willing to take you. This is not realistic for most people regardless of talent even assuming you stumble ass backwards into the next big hit and specially in the current state of the industry.

I remember an article from a couple of years back about Christopher Eccleston lamenting that acting has become less and less accessible unless you happen to come from wealth. How do we make more opportunities? Is hard to say because acting is a lot like becoming a footballer. Most people that make it start at a very early age, most of those that start early get lost in the way and unless you happen to be particularly talented chances are you aren't going to overcome the deficit. You can make your own movies/productions, but that requires time, money and people. Is not impossible, but most outsiders invest their 20s trying to break in so they can be semi-important in their 30s. Honestly if anyone reading here needs help, I'm willing to lend a hand.
 
I'm gonna perform this entire video as one uncut take with no edits. If I make a mistake we are just going to keep it in. It's kind of an attempt to create an anticontent, going against the best practices of social media content. I guess that used to be called art, right?
I love that he doesn't trust his audience to notice his amazing one take performance.Really tells me that his confidence about it isn't the best, so he has to put this in so he can make sure he will get some praise for it by his fans.
 
His basic argument boils down to "fake news" not being the problem, it's more deliberate information overload, and the fans of people like Tim Pool don't really care if something is true or false because sharing his content fulfils a psychological need, so tackling the source is more important than trying to debunk what they say - ergo the problem is not fake news.
That’s something I’ve never heard of before, so PhilosophyTube has at least one interesting point in his video. It would worth further exploring why people seem to crave this constant inundation of news, regardless of its veracity.
 
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