Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

Food poisoning! Is this a sign that I should start believing in God? It takes only one answered prayer to make a life-time convert.

At least there are two toilets in that house. With careful synchronization, only Mallory was left to shit and puke behind the garage.

But surely they won't blame Joe's culinary delights. It will be some midwestern hick's incompetence that nearly killed them all.

ETA - No wait. Mallory will now research The Best Kitchen Sanitation Practices because it was her inadequate cleaning that is to blame. Precious article forthcoming.
Joe’s terrible writing makes it unclear who is sick, but he said both, so I’m assuming that means Joe and Lala are sick and Rocco is fine.

Interesting timing for a dramatic bout of food poisoning and both having to “survive” it with a baby. It’s almost like their nanny has abandoned them in their time of greatest need.

Speaking of which, Mallory should be leaving for book tour dates today, or maybe even left this weekend, depending on how she’s traveling and arrangements. The event is tomorrow.

Would Joe sabotage her lovely trip to the Catskills with a bit of fermentation food poisoning? He’s going to lay on the guilt thick if she left the dynamic duo alone with the baby as they suffer so terribly.
 
It was Mal who xeeted about it, not Joe, so I guess she's in the many-flushes club, too. I read "both" as applying to food poisoning + baby. Re-reading it, I find "first day" interesting. Was a second day of food poisoning expected or were they having bouts of food poisoning before Rocco but not since his arrival?
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Nothing new about it on any of the three Xs or IGs. Hardly surprising, but did check just in case dainty Joe was on an IV in the ER because Mal wasn't running enough vital liquids up the stairs to his bed of suffering fast enough.
 
It was Mal who xeeted about it, not Joe, so I guess she's in the many-flushes club, too. I read "both" as applying to food poisoning + baby. Re-reading it, I find "first day" interesting. Was a second day of food poisoning expected or were they having bouts of food poisoning before Rocco but not since his arrival?
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Nothing new about it on any of the three Xs or IGs. Hardly surprising, but did check just in case dainty Joe was on an IV in the ER because Mal wasn't running enough vital liquids up the stairs to his bed of suffering fast enough.
Ah, it’s Mallory’s tweet. I don’t look closely when on mobile. But how does a breastfed baby get food poisoning!?! I’m really hoping she’s not referring to Rocco when she’s wrote “both” I assumed both must mean two sick adults trying to also care for a baby. But this is a throuple so there should still be one healthy adult if two are sick.

So does this mean Mallory doesn’t make the first date on her book tour? Will she manage to make to Brooklyn by Wed? Seems doubtful. Publicly posting about sickness usually means there’s some professional obligation someone is trying to dodge but publicly proclaiming a sickness adds weight to the excuse.

Just my theory, I really hope she doesn’t miss her appearances this week. Mallory needs a vacay.
 
I'm new to this thread but someone got a review in the NYT.

A Tender Ode to a 1960s ‘Women’s Hotel’​

Daniel M. Lavery’s debut novel collects vignettes from inside the Biedermeier, a second-rate, rapidly waning establishment in midcentury New York City.

It’s the 1960s, and New York’s venerable Biedermeier hotel, a second-rate but genteel women’s residence, is, like the city around it, changing. Few patrons require the chaperones or house rules such institutions offer. Breakfast service has been suspended; rooms lie empty.

In his debut novel, “Women’s Hotel,” Daniel M. Lavery asks what it might have been like inside such an institution as it was being “made obsolete by the credit card, by hippies and the New Age movement, by lesbianism and feminism, by the increase in affordable apartment stock and the increased acceptance of premarital cohabitation.” Who might have lived there then — what aging respectable spinsters, sheltered throwbacks or shady runaways on the margins of modernity?

Historical fiction is hard to get right, pastiche even harder: too often employed as a lazy dodge to avoid the existential and plotting challenges posed by modern technology, or as an excuse to dress otherwise contemporary-minded characters up in period costumes. The ensuing vignettes set within the walls of the Biedermeier feel at times like an elaborate social experiment, at others like a piece of performance art, or a long-form version of Lavery’s first book, the clever “Texts From Jane Eyre,” but in the style of Dawn Powell.

The gimmick was not off-putting to this reader — who among us doesn’t thrill to an itemized breakdown of the midcentury automat menu? — but in a time when allegory lurks behind every plot twist, I was braced for a heavy-handed message.

“Let this book be taken for no more than what it is,” Lavery writes in an author’s note: “a few impressions of a manner of living that was briefly possible for a small group of women in the middle decades of the last century.” But “Women’s Hotel” seems like something more, and something all too rare: a book written because it was exactly what the author wanted to read. There is a delicious, low-key madness to this project, but “Women’s Hotel” is undertaken with such gusto — and, frequently, such skill — that the reader has no choice but to surrender.

We meet the beleaguered Katherine, a sort of R.A. for the other residents; the mendacious Kitty; the jauntily modern Lucianne. There’s Gia (laser-focused on marrying her mother’s ex-boyfriend) and Stephen, the Cooper Union student and Biedermeier elevator operator who’s one of the building’s few male denizens. There is addiction and poverty and aching loneliness, the pain and joy of midcentury queerness, along with a description of a terrible, misleading haircut that’s one of the better things I’ve read this year.

Lavery’s obvious influences include not just Powell’s ennui but Rona Jaffe’s working gals, Joseph Mitchell, Flannery O’Connor, E.B. White, Barbara Pym and the entire green-spined Virago canon, as well as what has been termed “the feminine middlebrow novel.” I’d guess the author also likes Henry James and Edith Wharton, and certainly “Harriet the Spy.”

Those are some big shoes (high heels?) to fill, and Lavery occasionally stumbles. The prose sometimes becomes a touch labored, the droll omniscient narrator too knowing. That author’s note offers a misleading suggestion of diligent social history, whereas Lavery’s strength lies in world building.

What the arch comedy-of-manners format sacrifices in terms of character depth, Lavery compensates for with affection. Perhaps we don’t get a sense of Katherine beyond being something of a doormat, but within the spinster archetype are crystalline descriptions of alcoholism. An elderly tenant’s characterization may be as emaciated as her body; however, the sketch of her urban loneliness is tender. And if at moments there’s a whiff of the New-York Historical Society archives, the author’s real enthusiasm for his discovered relic is palpable.

As the narrator might put it, Lavery is a fine mimic with a splendid ear. The anachronisms stand out because they are so few. The dialogue has real sparkle, and lacks the mannered quality that can bedevil period fiction. On the subject of tearooms, Lavery is superb.

This is a snapshot not so much of some sepia dream of New York, but of a moment when the city held space for modest budgets and for living in a small way. Lavery never thinks less of his characters for the mistake of having been born in an era not our own, making “Women’s Hotel” a welcome place to stay.

 
So does this mean Mallory doesn’t make the first date on her book tour? Will she manage to make to Brooklyn by Wed? Seems doubtful. Publicly posting about sickness usually means there’s some professional obligation someone is trying to dodge but publicly proclaiming a sickness adds weight to the excuse.

Could be.

If she (and whomever else was part of "we") did have food poisoning, how long it lasts depends on what kind of food poisoning it was.
  • Staphylococcus is the most common cause, with a siege usually lasting about 4 hours, followed by thirst and hunger, so when the toilet gymnastics end, drink some water, eat some gentle food, and take a nap.
  • Listeria could kill Rocco, but grownups rarely get sick from it. It takes a number of days for the infection to make its presence known and in addition to the ups-and-downs it gives you headaches, stiffness, confusion, and convulsions. Does not fit Mal's timing or breezy comment.
  • Botulism attacks your nervous system, possibly to the point of paralysis, so Mal wouldn't be posting the day after realizing she had it.
  • Norovirus kicks in like staph but goes on for a week or more if your heart doesn't fail, so Mal wouldn't be posting having that either for some days.
Given the tone of the xeet and the timing she gives, my guess would be staph, rendered at the Coen Bros level if Lily and Joe were exploding from both ends at the same time. She should be physically capable of the NY date.

But yeah, maybe she's just got stage fright - fueled by Joe constantly carving on her mind.
 
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I didn't even think about how convenient it is that Mall's suddenly getting food poisoning after eating Joe's crap for months now. It wouldn't surprise me if she made it up herself so that she could avoid doing this tour.
Given her behavior and choices the last few years I fear she has been borg like assimilated by Joe.

It is worrying if she can’t handle solo trips and public events, of which she has had very few of, if any, in recent years. She took some trip to NZ a few years ago but that’s the last I can recall her being away from Joe for more than a few days, at least via public info they share.
I'm new to this thread but someone got a review in the NYT.
This was published to coincide with two appearances she’s supposed to make in NY this week, so if she shits the bed on them it’s going to be very bad.

Someone put some effort into lining up this review to be published the day before two appearances in NY so I hope she doesn’t flush it down the drain.
 
The ending with “we love him” is equally strange. The declaration is coming on the heels of bragging he’s medical flawless, so it seems contingent upon it. Loving your child seems so obvious, to me, that it need not be stated. It’s as if he’s reassuring his audience or himself.
It reads like a Jill Rodrigues post.
 
I mean you can get mad at me for saying it, you can laugh if you want, but child abuse victims come from somewhere. Marion ZImmer Bradley's "family" has a lot in common with this one.

haven’t finished catching up here but ding ding ding

Moira also has something in common with Mallory, and they both share it with Moon Zappa, which is educational neglect in a particularly heinous context

back to read up on things, there is lot of fanfic in here to skim

oh also another ménage this all reminds me of is Ariel Gore’s
 
Could be.

If she (and whomever else was part of "we") did have food poisoning, how long it lasts depends on what kind of food poisoning it was.
  • Staphylococcus is the most common cause, with a siege usually lasting about 4 hours, followed by thirst and hunger, so when the toilet gymnastics end, drink some water, eat some gentle food, and take a nap.
  • Listeria could kill Rocco, but grownups rarely get sick from it. It takes a number of days for the infection to make its presence known and in addition to the ups-and-downs it gives you headaches, stiffness, confusion, and convulsions. Does not fit Mal's timing or breezy comment.
  • Botulism attacks your nervous system, possibly to the point of paralysis, so Mal wouldn't be posting the day after realizing she had it.
  • Norovirus kicks in like staph but goes on for a week or more if your heart doesn't fail, so Mal wouldn't be posting having that either for some days.
Given the tone of the xeet and the timing she gives, my guess would be staph, rendered at the Coen Bros level if Lily and Joe were exploding from both ends at the same time. She should be physically capable of the NY date.

But yeah, maybe she's just got stage fright - fueled by Joe constantly carving on her mind.
As much as Joe makes one believe food poisoning is likely, if Rocco is sick then it’s a stomach bug because a baby his age can’t get food poisoning unless parents are doing something incredibly stupid.

Since Joe recently proclaimed Rochefort medically flawless, he cant be sick anyway.

Guess we will see if this is Mallory bowing out of her appearances or just a little expectation lowering. Honestly it’s got to be a bit awkward promoting a twee book called Women’s Hotel under your new manly pooner identity.

The last book was all about realizing she was a pooner, but now she’s just supposed to a regular guy promoting a book about… working city gals and spinsters to an entirely female audience? Mallory gets to be the faux rooster at public hen parties which seems her speed. It has to be x1000 more comfortable for her than being in a room full of actual men.
 
if Rocco is sick then it’s a stomach bug because a baby his age can’t get food poisoning unless parents are doing something incredibly stupid.
I don’t think Rocco is sick. The wording she used was “made it through our first day with both food poisoning and baby”, ie food poisoning bad, even worse when you have a baby to care for.
 
what it might have been like inside such an institution as it was being “made obsolete by the credit card, by hippies and the New Age movement, by lesbianism and feminism, by the increase in affordable apartment stock
Honestly it's weird because we need these places again. We need YWCA type places so young people can move out and get started instead of languishing in mom's basement in suburbia. More privacy than a hostel & you can stay longer; a little cheaper than an apartment of your own; maybe you meet a roomie you then get an apartment with while staying there.

It's uncanny how out of step Mallory always is.
 
Has Joe ever had a NYT review, and quite a positive one at that? I wonder if Mallory will be having to clean terrible fermented foods off the walls?
No, I think the biggest review Please Miss got was from British The Times, which called it a "tiresome, taboo-trashing trans memoir":

Most major publications usually pass on reviewing someone's first book if they don't think it's good enough unless they're a name already.
 
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