Are the genderwar threads hurting the the website and encouraging infighting?

[DeadwastePrime]

yall need to stop doomscrolling and go outside to touch grass instead

 

[Kalsarikännit]

...Which, again, when a man does decide to adapt and redirect his focus elsewhere, it's another criticism and considered a personal failing on his part, even if he is successful in his endeavors and enjoys the new focus without being sex-obsessed or interested.

Don’t be silly men never get called virgins for their hobbies


Right?

 

[Gravemind]

Don’t be silly men never get called virgins for their hobbies


Right?

I don't just mean hobbies. I mean actual productive activities. And not just going to the gym and getting physically fit, but focusing on one's career, going all in on their bread and butter.

 

[draggs]

The issue comes from the inability to accept that sexual bonding isn't something anybody is actually entitled to and the lack of ability to derive enough happiness from other nonsexual forms of human connection. It's ultimately mental weakness and therefore pretty hard to sympathize with

the conflation of sexual desire with "loneliness" is exactly the problem. people should be able to solve enough of their loneliness problems to make peace with their lives in other ways but they simply refuse to

This is not a personal criticism or argument towards you specifically, but doesn't this just circle back to the age old debate of "women expect men to be open, vulnerable, and communicative, but they also perceive any vulnerability as a failing on their part and emasculating"?

...Which, again, when a man does decide to adapt and redirect his focus elsewhere, it's another criticism and considered a personal failing on his part, even if he is successful in his endeavors and enjoys the new focus without being sex-obsessed or interested.

I think this is being a bit too simplistic, human behavior is ridiculously complex and especially in this area. So much so that I would prefer the lowering of the angy level stop and we course correct to where we should be, calling moids fat smelly unfuckable rejects of humanity and calling foids the same

 

[Kalsarikännit]

I don't just mean hobbies. I mean actual productive activities. And not just going to the gym and getting physically fit, but focusing on one's career, going all in on their bread and butter.

I know.

 

[The best and greatest]

Of course they want it. But when faced with the reality that they might never get it, they refuse to adapt and the continued focus on the desire becomes malignant

Even so, such a person born from irrevocable unfulfillment is worthy of at least some sympathy.

Men have always died alone or as loners at far higher rates than women, especially now. It is our lot in life for a great many of us. Man's loneliness is to him in some ways as childbirth is to a woman; a great pain that can't truly be understood by his opposite because the circumstances of their being are just too different. Just as I would not pretend to know the bodily pains of pregnancy and childbirth I would not necessarily expect you to know the isolate mind of a man with our brain chemistries as divergent as they are.

Just some food for thought, take it or leave it. Probably done here for now in either case.

 

[community member]

In the head that is relatively easy to accept. Although incels certainly don't demonstrate that

In the heart, in the belly... humans are hardwired biologically to derive nearly all their happiness from various levels of social companionship, and the most important one is almost certainly the sexual-romantic companionship that leads to familial companionship (they aren't the same thing ofc but they're so closely connected obviously lol)

I find it easy to sympathize with, it affects both men and women, men moreso with the incel thing, women moreso with the failing to find long-term partners to have a family with. Both men and women are declining in happiness and I think it's pretty obvious that is the reason why, a smaller proportion of them are following that natural human life progression (reach sexual maturity -> find a long-term sexual-romantic partner -> make and raise family with that partner)

oh I understand the desire in a very personal way, but life is hard and unfair. continuing to dwell fruitlessly on it is self imposed misery

...Which, again, when a man does decide to adapt and redirect his focus elsewhere, it's another criticism and considered a personal failing on his part, even if he is successful in his endeavors and enjoys the new focus without being sex-obsessed or interested.

What I've seen is MGTOW larpers who aren't actually going their own way at all because they remain fixated on what they don't have. Like maybe I could imagine a situation where a man who does manage to mind his own business is actually rejecting women because he's not interested in them, and the women become pissed about that, but compared to the MGTOW larp that's extremely rare

 

[Max Free]

The issue comes from the inability to accept that sexual bonding isn't something anybody is actually entitled to and the lack of ability to derive enough happiness from other nonsexual forms of human connection. It's ultimately mental weakness and therefore pretty hard to sympathize with

Mental weakness ... or simply a biological imperative that overrules your will, and the constant battle against it grinds you down.
I don't think humans who life their lives without their needs and wants ever beeing met, and maybe even barred from pursuing them, for an indefinit amount of time without snapping are mentally weak, and I think you confuse it with exhaustion. The phrase about the lack of entitlement may be popular, but is quintessential anti-human. Most humans have a desire to belong and to be loved, and a lack thereof strikes a grave wound into them. Denying people these feelings means denying them a fundamental part of their nature as a human.

 

[draggs]

oh I understand the desire in a very personal way, but life is hard and unfair. continuing to dwell fruitlessly on it is self imposed misery

big if true. and it is true

 

[Hubelublub]

Man's loneliness is to him in some ways as childbirth is to a woman

I would not necessarily expect you to know the isolate mind of a man with our brain chemistries as divergent as they are

Just some food for thought,

That's not food, that's a couple of bits of mouldy old bread ends masquerading as angel food cake.

And failing completely.

 

[draggs]

That's not food, that's a couple of bits of mouldy old bread ends masquerading as angel food cake.

And failing completely.

thank venus you showed up to get the angy level heading back where it should be

 

[Lidl Drip]

only one side is sexless incels who only rage at women because they got rejected by every woman in their life

Called it btw.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

I guess you need MORE MEN to keep the rapists under control and protect your ass

Note to men: "protect your ass" =/= "entitled to violate it."

When they complain about the ratio of crime instead of the actual amount of crime occurring, it would seem that the solution is that more women need to rape men, or something

The comment about the ratio serves a narrow point - which is that rape is committed almost exclusively by men. Ergo, women - by far the most likely of the two groups to be raped - have cause to decry it.

As for the actual amount of crime occurring, there were just under 140,000 (non/statutory/incest) reported rapes in America in 2018, per the FBI*. Not enough for you?

Women (particularly those who have experienced it) know for a fact that most rapes are not reported - not by a long shot.

But any estimated or statistically deduced data in that regard (both reported and unreported, as applicable) will be dismissed by retards because a) women lie, b) women think every regret is a rape, c) that one cunt with the mattress, d) that decrepit degenerate I once knew whose naggy harlot of a wife totally fucking deserved it unfairly lost his job just because he happened to knock her teeth out while requiring her wifely duties/ total feminist domination and endemic divorce rape. Further dismissal will occur because a) "if you don't report, it didn't happen," and b) "no ebidence."

* I've posted the race statistics before, let's not.

Anyway the ladies are correct about rape percentages and moid violence.
It's how genetics work.
This is what we are and always will be lmao. And this is why they fear us too, and desperately seek the protection of other men to keep their ass safe, which they are unable to achieve themselves, at least never did in millennia of written history.

Speaking for myself, a woman, I don't fear you nor do I seek a man to protect me (and certainly not desperately, lol).

Why not? Because it's for damn sure that no man not either a) my dad, who is an awesome human being and top-tier exemplar of men, or b) in the military or law enforcement ever kept my ass safe from anything. And both my dad and that latter group seek to protect all people in their spheres of influence, not just the women.

Oh, ok, men in public works, who design and build bridges and fix downed electrical wires and such, have also protected me (and you) in a sense. But I pay taxes, so that's their job. Sure, same could be said for military/LE, but they have the most potentially dangerous jobs, so they get extra credit.

Which is so incredibly funny - no matter what they do, they still need moids, which they hate, but that's irrelevant.

I, for one, don't "hate men," never have, despite more reasons than average that could justify it if I were that kind of thinker (I'm not). I have done and given far more to men than they've merited (and that is literally, materially, and factually, objectively accurate) (inb4 "but you chose that, that's a you problem, stop whining; yassss I am fully aware of my own failure to be on constant alert. But unlike those men, I have acknowledged and reckoned with my own shortcomings). So who needed whom?

This broadbrush bullshit is tired, but even moreso when a good half (I'm so fucking kind) of the loudest ones shitting out repetitious garbage [not necessarily in this specific thread] about women this and women that have yet to have one voluntarily within a meter of them single real, intimate, complex relationship. You don't fucking know anything about anything (yet; hopefully one day you will, but you're making the road harder for yourselves).

And another hefty portion have had a maybe a handful of real or imagined disappointments and not only just fucking gave up, but rationalized the absolutely fucking normal vicissitudes of life as a reason to tune in to and turn up their least worthy capacities and qualities, and to turn their personal frustrations on women in general and on any woman they happen across who won't suck them their penises, literally or metaphorically. All very manfully and powerfully done as anon farmers on the internet Internet.

 

[whatever I feel like]

Yes, clearly. Both have always been stupid bullshit and should have been mocked into oblivion from the start.

 

[AgendaPoster]

This broadbrush bullshit is tired

I'm gonna match the amount of stereotypes thrown at moids! Nothing less, nothing more!
BTW, TMI

 

[draggs]

only one side is sexless incels who only rage at women because they got rejected by every woman in their life

I would never touch a man, that's disgusting.

Called it btw.

You sure did...

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

Why are you incapable to see an option where nobody is killed?

If we're talking about pedophiles, hierarchy goes like this:
Baseline: nobody dies.
Better option: a pedophile dies.
Even better option: many pedophiles die.

 

[Gravemind]

What I've seen is MGTOW larpers who aren't actually going their own way at all because they remain fixated on what they don't have. Like maybe I could imagine a situation where a man who does manage to mind his own business is actually rejecting women because he's not interested in them, and the women become pissed about that, but compared to the MGTOW larp that's extremely rare

I think it seems rare because you're not really going to see much of that in online spaces. I don't think people actually practicing the whole "MGTOW" thing ever really consider themselves by the label of "MGTOW". You're really only ever going to see these terminally online types self-labelling as such, and that's why the concept has such a stigma.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

I'm gonna match the amount of stereotypes thrown at moids! Nothing less, nothing more!
BTW, TMI

Idfc.

 

[community member]

That's not food, that's a couple of bits of mouldy old bread ends masquerading as angel food cake.

And failing completely.

>Man's loneliness is to him in some ways as childbirth is to a woman
I didn't even catch that part for fuck's sake. Like how am I gonna sympathize with that? I don't. This suffering is a you problem