2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[porkypork99]

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most people dont understand the conflict and think that israel is the aggressor because the main stream medias only focus on when israel retaliate. They are tired of hearing on the news that israel is bombing x and think that if The US stop supporting israel it would all stop.
THey dont understand that the muslim world is constantly provoking israel into endless conflict and that if any arm embargo or w/e is imposed on israel the muslim world would smell blood and intensify its aggressions. There is no negociation with the muslim world because their beef with israel isnt based on anything concrete other than jews bad ,jew hurt our honor,jew deserve to die.THe end result of this would be an israel(nuclear power) with its back against the wall and feeling extremely vulnerable. I let your imagination imagine what could happen in this scenario.... From oil fields on fire crashing the world economy to nuclear warfare..

 

[EyeGuy]

The IDF killed another terrorist responsible for the murder of Israelis on 10/7. He was employed by UNRWA Hamas, of course:

A Hamas Nukhba Force commander who led the killing and kidnapping of Israelis from a roadside bomb shelter near Kibbutz Re'im on October 7, was killed in an airstrike in the Gaza Strip yesterday, the IDF and Shin Bet announce.

According to the military, Muhammad Abu Attawi, who served as a Nukha commander in Hamas's Bureij Battalion, was also employed by UNRWA since July 2022.

During the October 7 onslaught, Attawi commanded the attack on a bomb shelter near Re'im where partygoers from the Nova festival had fled to.

Four people were taken hostage alive from the shelter and 16 were murdered. Seven managed to survive and were later rescued.

Attawi was also involved in attacks on troops during the war in Gaza, the IDF says.

The military says COGAT representatives have also "demanded from senior officials in the international community and the UN clarifications and an urgent inquiry into the participation of UNRWA employees in the October 7 massacre and terrorist activity against Israel."

Some of the weapons captured from Hezbollah:

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

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Because the Israelis won't sell their shit to Ivan for 4 bottles of vodka.

 

[EyeGuy]

One year since last Shemini Atzeret, artillery fires on Gaza at 6:29 in the morning:

Dancing in front of the Sderot police station:

 

[0713]

One year since last Shemini Atzeret, artillery fires on Gaza at 6:29 in the morning:
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Dancing in front of the Sderot police station:
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That artillery camera shot is so freaking cool. Seeing the impact in the distance.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

If October 7th wasn’t enough, what would something “truly heinous” even be? Or is it more of a case of Israel deciding to stop giving any fucks about international lip-service and going full throttle?

You want the actual Israeli right to gain political power who literally want to kill all Arabs I fully support the total extermination of the subhuman Arab populations that are not Christian in Israel the one thing BB Netanyahu said that was accurate was civilization is worth defending no mercy for the sub humans they need a second squad to go in that just puts bullets in the heads of all of the refugees people gonna say that's harsh but those people gonna grow up to hate you might as well put them in the ground so your children do not have to fight them this whole idea of being merciful to your enemies is some enlightened nonsense and answers exterminate your enemies down to the man woman and child total Palestinian death

 

[Golden Apple]

There is no negotiation with the Muslim world because their beef with Israel isn't based on anything concrete other than jews bad ,jew hurt our honor, jew deserve to die

Spoiler: Slightly off topic

Prefaced with IIRC, because I might remember wrong.

It's much more interesting than that.
Islam is a relatively young religion, being created in the ~600-700's CE to bolster the Arabic conquests, and according to some it was based on anti-trinitarian Christianity.

Originally Mo' (He Probably Didn't Exist) had his followers pray toward Jerusalem where the temple of David and the hole in the Firmament was. When the Jews wouldn't convert he changed it to Mecca and the pagan Kaaba. This sort of started Mo's (HPDE) "prophesies" against the Jews. Fun Quotes from the Ko-ran

The issue with Islam is that it's a very late fan fiction of the Abrahamic faiths (akin to Joseph Smith and the Mormons except for Arabs instead of 'Muricans) and deep down inside it knows this. It's little brother syndrome. Muslims destroy pagan sites because they are pagan. But Muslims want to kill Jews and eventually Christians, because they remind everyone that the Arabs were not the originators of their religion and their religion is Obviously Fake* and their prophet walks around covered in semen caked robes and fucks children. The whole 'people of the Book' is complete horseshit - they can't be the "One True Religion" when they were like the fifth iteration.

Fun books: Who was Mohammed and Did Mohammed Exist by Robert Spencer. They're pretty quick reads and the latter is *insert thunk-provoking* and really challenges the whole 'in full light of history'

*IMHO All religion is, but Islam is Especially Fake and Gay (tm)

 

[PyrrhicRustle]

There is no negociation with the muslim world

Jordan seems pretty chill

 

[TheMeanOne]

it's a very late fan fiction of the Abrahamic faiths (akin to Joseph Smith and the Mormons except for Arabs instead of 'Muricans) and deep down inside it knows this.

This is always interesting to me because it is basically the same heresy down to the plural marriage. Mormons are generally raised to be honest and industrious, though, so since the advent of the internet they've all been questioning and leaving the church. There's a letter some guy wrote asking questions about all the inconsistencies with the stories the church has promulgated over the years. It's really interesting to me that there's no comparable ex-Muslim movement.

Jordan seems pretty chill

Jordan's still pretty wildly corrupt by Western standards. However Queen Noor was/is an American (Lisa Halaby). Her dad was a Syrian and her mom was Swedish. So like, there has been some western influence in that royal family. She's not the mother of the current king.

I went to a Good University and honestly a lot of the ruling class of countries like that send their kids to school here, Canada, the UK. They understand the benefits of white Western society. But they honestly can't make a lot of change or else the population revolts. Even if they want to. Look how well that turned out in Iran. You can't Westernize or modernize the core population.

Have you ever seen the Mexican gov't have a press conference, anything like that? Their gov't ministers sometimes have degrees from like, Ivy Leagues here. However you can be the smartest person in the world, you're not going to fix Mexico. A portion of the population lives and thinks like 12th century peasants. A part of the population is nouveau riche and has no ideology. They're just greedy and hate the poor people around them. Then you have a massive part of the population that's heading for the States. You can't fix it. They're unfixable, it will take generations.

The Arab world is kind of like that, if they're rich and/or smart even they know how fucked it is. But it would take like 3-4 generations to fix. The bulk of the population is too stupid and has their stupidity too culturally reinforced to get smart.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

The Arab world is kind of like that, if they're rich and/or smart even they know how fucked it is. But it would take like 3-4 generations to fix. The bulk of the population is too stupid and has their stupidity too culturally reinforced to get smart.

That right here is the crux of it. Israel isn't a shithole because the Jews are due to the nature of the country (no natural resources, small surrounded by enemies and horrible natural environment) don't let them be stupid. Also Judaism as a culture and a religion tends to weed out stupid people. Sure you got the Hasidic Jews but really their problem is that they are not built for a secular society but more of a theoretical one. America isn't a shithole because our size, government style, and democracy mean that if you want to succeed, you have to be smart. Not that everyone has to be Steven Hawking, but smart and independent enough that you are willing to work hard to fix discomfort.

 

[porkypork99]

jordan and egypt are 2 countries that got crushed by THE idf into agreeing to peace and been bribed by US money(False US Aid) into holding their terms.

THe PLO also tried to create a civil war in jordan so that didnt help either.

 

[Golden Apple]

It's really interesting to me that there's no comparable ex-Muslim movement.

Spoiler: Kind of off Topic, more religion sperging

As far as I'm aware this is because the BoM doesn't contain Smith's ministrations about beheading apostates. You get shunned socially, and lose your community network, but that's a far cry from death.

Islam cannot moderate itself or reform due to just how harsh it is towards basic questions about the faith. If all apostates and non believers are put to the sword then there is no wiggle room for change. Islam, which means SUBMISSION not peace, is such an all encompassing system from religion, to politics, to the general rhythm of life, it's self sustaining in its 6th century suffocating terribleness. It's hilarious that the faggot loving liberal left simps for brownoids that would execute them in a heartbeat for being degenerates. Part of me wants to see this happen in 4K; really put a smile on my face.

I do recommend at least audio-booking the ko-ran, maybe with some ha-dith, so you know what they're being brainwashed into. If you don't know then you need to familiarize yourself with it, at least on a basic level. There is no kindness in the ko-ran to turn into reform as there is in the New Testament.

I'll opine that if the Muslims take Israel then there is blood in the water for the west, and not just retard migrants knifing little girls and burning churches in Europe. Israel is the stopgap for the Muslim hoards burning the world down before turning on each other in a sectarian retard hellscape so bad it would make Mad Max blush.

Reply to Maori Kiwifruit Growers (I don't know how to tag users )

the middle east is a shithole the same reason China is. People succeed by conforming to a stale system, and that system rewards conformity not innovation. In order to innovate you need to be able to question the status quo, which is haram in islam.

In Judaism questioning and arguing with god is a cornerstone of the faith. Like they say, two jews three opinions.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

Some of the weapons captured from Hezbollah:

See now, if Israel wanted to send America all these poor refugees, I'd be all for it. I personally know several homes that would love to take in some poor battered and mistreated soviet surplus. I know I would make some room for a few in my own home. Its a real shame the bigoted democrats just can't put aside their hate, and allow us willing Americans to do what's right, and give these ex-soviet emigres a good home!

It's really interesting to me that there's no comparable ex-Muslim movement.

There is absolutely a comparable ex-Muslim movement. Key difference is that its much easier to be an ex-Mormon in America, than an ex-Muslim in the middle east or Europe. The Mormon church doesn't command its followers to murder apostates, but mosques most certainly do, and that's on top of the natural inclination of Muslims to murder non-Muslims. You don't hear about ex-Muslims as much because the left which controls Europe, and much of the media, is too busy sucking off Muslim cock.

 

[FedPostalService]

There is absolutely a comparable ex-Muslim movement. Key difference is that its much easier to be an ex-Mormon in America, than an ex-Muslim in the middle east or Europe. The Mormon church doesn't command its followers to murder apostates, but mosques most certainly do, and that's on top of the natural inclination of Muslims to murder non-Muslims. You don't hear about ex-Muslims as much because the left which controls Europe, and much of the media, is too busy sucking off Muslim cock.

There was a big split in the ex-Muslim movement when Trump became president. You’d see women from it who couldn’t use their real name because it would put them and their families in danger sperg out because people using bad words was the heckin’ real enemy and not the people they were literally in hiding from because they would take and murder then.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

I'll opine that if the Muslims take Israel then there is blood in the water for the west, and not just retard migrants knifing little girls and burning churches in Europe. Israel is the stopgap for the Muslim hoards burning the world down before turning on each other in a sectarian retard hellscape so bad it would make Mad Max blush.

If Israel is the stopgap, than they've been a very shitty one. The hardcore islamist types will own Western Europe by 2050, if not then, by 2100. A combination of leftist indoctrination to worship brown people and birth rates have already made that inevitable. I doubt even an uprising on the part of western White Europeans could do anything at this point because of the lack of guns and the certain that every EU state would send in their militaries to put them down. Which is the only reason Sweden, or Germany maintains an army at this point. To ensure the islamic invaders don't get destroyed by their victims. Its all a question now if Eastern Europe will follow them, how much cultural heritage will be destroyed and if the islamists get control of nuclear weapons.

 

[Surfin Terf]

Jordan seems pretty chill

In the first half of the twentieth century, the British had a crisis on their hands. They had a bunch of refugees who wanted a state in the middle east and had had one (a very historically important one which was the home of the holiest sites in the middle east) in the past. Now, these refugees were a bunch of semites who practiced a weird religion, but they also had a lot of wealth and had been allied with the British Empire in the last world war so the Brits made a decision. Even though these people were a minority who had only recently immigrated to the area the Brits decided to give them the majority of Palestine.

That was how the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan was founded in 1921.

 

[pikachudidnothingwrong]

If Israel is the stopgap, than they've been a very shitty one. The hardcore islamist types will own Western Europe by 2050, if not then, by 2100. A combination of leftist indoctrination to worship brown people and birth rates have already made that inevitable. I doubt even an uprising on the part of western White Europeans could do anything at this point because of the lack of guns and the certain that every EU state would send in their militaries to put them down. Which is the only reason Sweden, or Germany maintains an army at this point. To ensure the islamic invaders don't get destroyed by their victims. Its all a question now if Eastern Europe will follow them, how much cultural heritage will be destroyed and if the islamists get control of nuclear weapons.

True, but not much can be done from the outside of these societies to begin with. They have to put a stop to it or fall.

While it can be argued whether or not Israel is a stopgap, it is certainly a speed bump of sorts. And there is no way in hell a muslim victory is going to work out like so many people, of all political/ideological factions like to pretend/imply it will. Something along the lines of the muslim world and rest of the world, joining hands and singing songs together as all conflict melts away while muslim society suddenly becomes functional and plays nice with others. And it SURE AS HELL isn't going to end violence in the middle east which means there is no chance in hell that it has anything to do with muslim immigration trends. I mean before, and after Gaza thus far, Israel has been an nonissue on this front. Sure, a lot of fearmongering and handwringing about immigration, but not much else.

Taking this kind of argument a step further.. The whole "Israel is the source of all our muslim problems" cope is every bit as dangerous as the ideologies that would see the first world flooded by 3rd worlders who refuse to assimilate. If they got Israel, it would be only a matter of time before zealots and extremists found the next unbearable situation. Don't forget that some islamists are still "sore" about Spain. (since muslims generally view conquered land as theirs for all time without question)

To be clear, i'm not accusing you of claiming or thinking this, just pointing out how.. interconnected this spurious line of argument and rationalization tends to be.

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A little small funny reminder of the same childless leftist audiences Disney wanted to replace kids and families with keep using Bluey and their own Disney characters for pro-Palestine propaganda. Yet the Jews like Bob Iger and Kathleen Kennedy at Disney fired Gina Carano for pointing out the media role in flaming political and racial hate during the Holocaust.

I mean how can they complain when they themselves bastardized their own creations and media in service of BLM propaganda and other political wankery. See, that's the thing about opening the door to mixing politics/propaganda and entertainment or media.

Airstrikes in the Dahiyeh last night:
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Demolitions in Lebanon:
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Wow.. Whatever they hit certainly had no business being in the middle of a city!

The IDF killed another terrorist responsible for the murder of Israelis on 10/7. He was employed by UNRWA Hamas, of course:
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Some of the weapons captured from Hezbollah:
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Oh no, not again... surely the UN will be happy that they cleared out another terrorist "hiding" in their org.... surely.....

 

[Golden Apple]

If Israel is the stopgap, than they've been a very shitty one. The hardcore islamist types will own Western Europe by 2050, if not then, by 2100.

Spoiler: opine

Thoughts and prayers on Hez, Houthis, and Hamas digging tunnels and stashing munitions in whatever western suburban wonderland you live. (press x)

I disagree on the European takeover. There is no problem that can't be solved with Germans, tanks, and copious amounts of meth. It's happened once, and lightening fast. It can happen again. The only problem is getting them uncucked to fulfill their glorious purpose.

I might be a baby eating atheist, but I'm keeping the faith that Europe is not lost.

Taking this kind of argument a step further.. The whole "Israel is the source of all our muslim problems" cope is every bit as dangerous as the ideologies that would see the first world flooded by 3rd worlders who refuse to assimilate. If they got Israel, it would be only a matter of time before zealots and extremists found the next unbearable situation.

IIRC: In Islam any Muslim living in a country not ruled by Muslims under Islamic law is considered abused and he has a right to take it over and impose Islamic law. It's an insidious virus the world needs to wake up to.

 

[EyeGuy]

A reminder from the IDF on why to stay in a protected area for ten minutes after the sirens sound:

Terrorists surrendering to the IDF in northern Gaza:
Hamas supporters fleeing Jabaliya:

Globohomo claims that it will take 350 years (!) for Gaza's economy to recover:


Dancing Israelis:

Weeping terrorists (Karbala):

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

This is always interesting to me because it is basically the same heresy down to the plural marriage. Mormons are generally raised to be honest and industrious, though, so since the advent of the internet they've all been questioning and leaving the church. There's a letter some guy wrote asking questions about all the inconsistencies with the stories the church has promulgated over the years. It's really interesting to me that there's no comparable ex-Muslim movement

Well MANY Mormons have hilariously bad religious "hardening" so they're easy to break away from the Mormon church. They also have some hilarious practices that are endlessly mockable.

Ex-Muslims otoh are demonized and in many cases killed for apostasy.

As far as I'm aware this is because the BoM doesn't contain Smith's ministrations about beheading apostates. You get shunned socially, and lose your community network, but that's a far cry from death.

Islam cannot moderate itself or reform due to just how harsh it is towards basic questions about the faith. If all apostates and non believers are put to the sword then there is no wiggle room for change. Islam, which means SUBMISSION not peace, is such an all encompassing system from religion, to politics, to the general rhythm of life, it's self sustaining in its 6th century suffocating terribleness. It's hilarious that the faggot loving liberal left simps for brownoids that would execute them in a heartbeat for being degenerates. Part of me wants to see this happen in 4K; really put a smile on my face.

I do recommend at least audio-booking the ko-ran, maybe with some ha-dith, so you know what they're being brainwashed into. If you don't know then you need to familiarize yourself with it, at least on a basic level. There is no kindness in the ko-ran to turn into reform as there is in the New Testament.

I'll opine that if the Muslims take Israel then there is blood in the water for the west, and not just retard migrants knifing little girls and burning churches in Europe. Israel is the stopgap for the Muslim hoards burning the world down before turning on each other in a sectarian retard hellscape so bad it would make Mad Max blush

Agreed. Islam is still a 6th century religion from a man who enjoyed keeping slaves, warlording and fucking all of his male followers wives.

There is NO "modern" Islam because the Qur'an literally states Muhammad is the final prophet and his word/revelation is literally perfection and any modifications/changes are heresy.


This is semi related to the war so I'm putting it here for opinions (not there is another turbo retarded thread on it as well)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/family-of-fallen-soldier-told-to-take-down-headstone-because-it-has-a-cross-on-it/amp/

Tl;Dr additional headstone in an Israeli military cemetery is covered up because it has a cross on it