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FOGBANK is not a good example for your argument because that had nothing to do with the ability to manufacture the material. The reason why that happened is because the process to produce the material was so classified and compartmentalized that, when it came time to make it, no one knew how.

It proved that the DOE is where US secrets go to die.
I respectfully disagree. If you have a very complex, very important process, it's a great example of how you should preserve it rather than let it atrophy.
 
Nigger are you serious lol? An article from 2015? Maybe you should take a look at the United States whipping the shit out of the world in space travel capability thanks to that South African autist
This is such a modern consoomerist mentality - money can do all, money fixes everything, just pay enough and all problems magically go away. Even with all the money in the world, all that stuff takes lots of time and then requires re-creating the institutional expertise that we've totally lost.

It's really apparent the people who've actual worked in various manufacturing industries (the few that are left) because they know first-hand how bad the situation is. We're on the cusp of being a de-industrialized society because passing on decades or centuries of institutional knowledge was detrimental to quarterly profits.
"Totally lost" (how are all those planes and cars and heavy machinery produced at all in the west then? Or do you think none are? lol lmao even)

"Lots of time" (reminder, it took about 20 years, 1870-1890, to build a massive industrial base in the US, starting essentially from zip comparing to the size of the industries at the end of the civil war to their size in 1890. Now, not starting from zip at all, it's just impossibru!)

"Cusp of de-industrialized society" (when the US produced literally millions of tons of vehicles last year, and the year before, and the year before, and the year before... and that's one industry)

Ah yes the good old appeal to spergs who say they work for X on an internet forum expertise. Hey man if you want to believe that Skeletonized retard when he says there's no way the US ever produce more than a million 155mm artillery shells a year without many years of rebuilding factories (when it's going to reach that level early next year lol), if you want to believe dumb shit like that, go ahead
 
They are really really trying to push the Elon had secret meetings with Putin thing today. They've literally got nothing
What Elon? Elon Musk? The guy who paid out of his own pocket to setup Starlink for Ukraine during the invasion, allowing it even for military use? The guy who said to the US government "I can't keep Starlink up for free. If you guys don't start paying for it, I'm going to have to stop the service." and then proceeded to continue paying for it anyway after the US responded with "lol get fucked"? That Elon?

L to the fucking MAO.
 
For how bureaucratic and large the government and its agencies are, they sure have a habit of collectively being awful at retaining documentation of significant intellectual and knowledge value.
This is highly dependent on the department. The State Department has a metric fuckton of document retention. The Department of Energy? Not so much, especially because a lot of technical secrets get sent there. If the Iranians figure out how we're trying to take out their government, that's a diplomatic issue (and also not a surprise). If the Iranians figure out how to make an F-35 jet, that is a much bigger issue.
I respectfully disagree. If you have a very complex, very important process, it's a great example of how you should preserve it rather than let it atrophy.
The US learned its lesson after the nuclear spies: keep technological secrets really, really close to your chest. I also think FOGBANK is a special case because the US did not have as much of a need to upkeep its nuclear arsenal after the end of the Cold War.
 
Ah yes the good old appeal to spergs who say they work for X on an internet forum expertise
(when the US produced literally millions of tons of vehicles last year, and the year before, and the year before, and the year before... and that's one industry)
So the US has so much manufacturing... that it's completely unbelievable that American Kiwi Farmers are involved in it?

Are you retarded?
 
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More Trump rally attendees in Traverse City heading for their cars, per video shot by
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We're supposed to believe Trump supporters are leaving that rally BEFORE Trump hits the stage? What kind of crack is that guy smoking.

People line up for HOURS to get to a Trump rally, and there's a huge overflow crowd outside every indoor location. Trump rallies have bigger audiences than many big name rock concerts.

I went to a Trump rally a few days before the 2016 election and Trump showed up three hours late because it was his third stop that day. People were cheering and dancing to the pumped in music for hours. No one left.
 
Fucking finally, someone other than @SSj_Ness says the truth.

Rogan has basically always been a giant bitch who the right-wing version of safe edgelords have latched onto.
Yeah, the problem with the right is it has an understandable tendency to be desperate for a mainstream voice and so will cling to anyone who says "maybe only troon kids after kindergarten" and "perhaps an open border isn't the best choice, in my humble opinion".

Trump’s rally gonna need more diapers if he is gonna make his cultists wait this long.
You are confused, people in diapers is what Biden likes.
 

Another big fail for Dems

A federal judge has turned away allegations that billionaire Elon Musk violated the law when he started giving $1 million away to registered voters.

California resident Aaron Greenspan in a lawsuit filed over the summer accused Musk of violating state laws and the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act. In a recent emergency motion, Greenspan, who founded the company PlainSite, said Musk’s newly announced million-dollar giveaways to voters in swing states violated federal law that prohibits paying or offering to pay people to either register to vote or vote.
 
We are good at specialized, high-skill, small-scale manufacturing, but the mass-produced stuff has been totally hollowed out via offshoring.
Just look at how much difficulty TSMC is having trying to create a facility in Arizona. The CHIPS act has accomplished jack shit as of now.
 
FOGBANK is not a good example for your argument because that had nothing to do with the ability to manufacture the material. The reason why that happened is because the process to produce the material was so classified and compartmentalized that, when it came time to make it, no one knew how.

It proved that the DOE is where US secrets go to die.
Both explanations are wrong, the ACTUAL issue with Fogbank was that the only reason the original process even worked was due to an undocumented impurity in one of the materials. When they switched production facilities, they ended up upgrading the cleaning process for said material, which would normally be a good thing but in this case ended up cleaning out the undocumented impurity that made the thing work in the first place. So it’s not a manufacturing issue, or a classification issue, but a “not precisely understanding why the original recipe even worked” issue, which is frankly pretty understandable in experimental chemistry/materials science.
 
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