Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Gorton Colu]

They looked real enough to me for 90s films. The fact is, the CGI holds up to this day.

The effects have aged, bu they have aged well especially compared to Attack of the Clones.

Similarly to Jurassic Park, the combination of being shot on film and using alot of practical effects helps mesh the CGI elements better.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

They are in comparison to the prequels where you have 1000 droid and clone deaths with all the brutality of breaking a toaster since the victims are not or do not display that they are actually living things.

No they're not. Explosions go off. The teddy bears fall down. That is not brutal in the slightest. That's as family-friendly as you can possibly get. It's the kind of shit you'd see in Disney's kids' films at the time.

No, DISNEY made even shittier movies. RLM didn't make any Star Wars sequels. If RLM tells Disney to go jump off a bridge, it's on Disney to decide if that is good or bad advice. RLM never told Disney to have Leia fly through space like Mary Poppins. They never told Disney to prioritize the lives of race horses over human slaves. Disney was going to fuck this up regardless of RLM just like Lucas fucked up prior to RLM.

Literally everybody in the movie business knows critics are not an authority on anything. This is why I am so adamant that the idea that Disney was forced to do what they say makes you sound like a drooling retard.

Disney literally got RLM's choice for director, and their moves were literally in response to RLM's criticisms.

Like I said before, this is the Star Wars made for PT-haters.

The original phase of Disney Star Wars was just them trying to erase the ''taint'' of the Prequels and appealing to OT fans all the way through, hence why you got a soft reboot that apes ANH, and a direct prequel to ANH. They were genuinely trying to appeal to PT-haters who wanted Star Wars to go back to its roots. So yes, it is the Star Wars that is tailor-made for Prequel-haters. TFA and Rogue One are literally tailor-made to make you forget about the Prequels and just go for OT memberberries.

Critics whined about the politics, so they kept it simple, Empire vs. Rebels, First Order vs. Resistance. People whined about the whiny protagonist, so they replaced him with a perfect goddess. Even the clunky lightsaber combat of the ST was made in response to people saying that the PT lightsaber combat was over-choreographed and way too flashy. So they went back to basics and had kids smashing lightsabers against each other like they're swinging baseball bats.

Leia Poppins and the whole thing about the horses was a fucking blip in the radar on how bad the ST was. Remove those things, and the ST would still be worse than the PT.

So yes, Disney Star Wars is the Star Wars you people deserve. The fact that you don't like it doesn't change anything.

 

[Hunter Hearst Helmsley]

No they're not. Explosions go off. The teddy bears fall down. That is not brutal in the slightest. That's as family-friendly as you can possibly get. It's the kind of shit you'd see in Disney's kids' films at the time.

You watch them be crushed to death. You watch them flee in abject terror. You watch them shake bodies to look for signs of life only to see them remain still.

In the prequels your get goofy Jamaican frog man throw a glowy orb at a robot who then falls apart.

Disney literally got RLM's choice for director, and their moves were literally in response to RLM's criticisms.

You should send me all of your money because you suck. If you decide to follow this advice, who is responsible for you being poor?

Try getting an internal locus of control. I promise you it will make your life happier.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

You watch them be crushed to death. You watch them flee in abject terror. You watch them shake bodies to look for signs of life only to see them remain still.

When were they crushed to death? The only person crushed to death in ROTJ was that poor Imperial pilot whose AT-ST got smashed by logs. And we never even get to see the body.

All I remember is the Ewoks running like idiots and then getting blown up. Not brutally, mind you, it's the family-friendly version where all you see is some smoke and some Ewok shaking the other for signs of life. But the body is still mostly intact. That isn't brutal, that's the most family-friendly death you can get. It's the kind of death you'd get in a classic Disney film made for kids.

Then you have Artoo getting shot twice and still functioning, Threepio got shot but was easily rebuilt by Chewie, Leia got shot in the arm and all that did was paralyze her.

In the prequels your get goofy Jamaican frog man throw a glowy orb at a robot who then falls apart.

You also get a Jedi skewered by a Sith and NOT turn intangible. Then later, you see one Sith get choped in hlaf, and another Sith get his limbs lopped off, and he painfully burns near the lava until he's basically a half-living corpse that had to be put into a suit for the rest of his life. Your point is moot. You selectively ignore brutal things from the Prequels while ignoring how the OT was also just as family-friendly and soft.

The clones dying and the Stormtroopers dying are basically the same thing; masked goons getting shot and falling over.

You should send me all of your money because you suck. If you decide to follow this advice, who is responsible for you being poor?

The PT-haters and RLM's advice was what Disney went with. Getting rid of whiny protagonists, removing the politics and keeping it simple, getting rid of the over-choreographed lightsaber duels, making everything like the OT again. Then when RLM criticized Disney for copying the OT too much in their Rogue One review, Disney tried to be as different from the OT as possible with TLJ.

Try getting an internal locus of control. I promise you it will make your life happier.

I would've been happy if the SWEU continued. Too bad that will never happen because crying manbabies convinced Lucas to sell to Disney.

That's the reason why I was more than happy to overlook the flaws of the two trilogies; we had the SWEU which was written by authors who aren't flaming hippies who like to stick childish things into the films like Gungans or Ewoks. With the films, I can take them or leave them, warts and all, because we had SW content written by other authors with different takes on Star Wars. So even if I didn't like the PT or the OT, there's other SW works that could tickle my fancy. It worked for me because I liked both the PT and the OT, and the SWEU added more to the universe.

So if you wanted competent Star Wars not done by Lucas or Disney, it was already there, you just didn't want to admit it.

Then Disney bought Star Wars and cancelled the SWEU; partially because Chewie was dead, and partially because they thought their authors can do better. But then again, Disney was just responding to fan backlash towards the Prequels, and much of that backlash comes from people who didn't give a rat's ass about the SWEU. So Disney saw no need to respect it, when the whiners and haters didn't even give a damn.

Everything Disney did afterwards was them whoring out to people. Rebels, Rogue One and TFA were made to whore out to PT-haters who wanted to restore things to the OT-era standards. TLJ and Andor were made to appeal to the SJW crowd which dominated internet discourse at the time, ROS and the Acolyte was made to appeal to Twilight fangirls, The Mandalorian was made to appeal to fans of the space cowboy aesthetic from the OT era, Ahsoka and the Bad Batch were made to appeal to Filoni fans, the list goes on and on.

Unlike Lucas and the SWEU writers, who would stick to their guns and their story, Disney changes tune based on demographics and who can give them money. The result is that Star Wars is now a mess of a franchise, not knowing who to pander to, while many of the SWEU fans who formed the bulk of the fanbase and made it wealthy with all their purchases ran off, leaving Disney with a dud franchise that's costing them money instead of making them money. But this all began when Disney bought the rights from an exhausted and tired Lucas, and that sale was celebrated by those same crying manbabies who thought anyone else is better than Lucas.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

When were they crushed to death? All I remember is them running like idiots and then getting blown up. Not brutally, mind you, it's the family-friendly version where all you see is some smoke and some Ewok shaking the other for signs of life.

The Ewoks were these cute, innocent-looking creatures, but let's not forget that they were prepared to dine on the rebels once they were captured. C-3PO translates to Han that Chewie, Luke, and him were to be cooked and eaten for a feast celebrating the Ewoks' newfound golden god. The Ewoks crush an AT-ST and its occupants by slamming two giant pieces of wood into it.

I just looked up the 'crushed to death' scene. An ewok on a glider gets shot down and you an AT-ST foot land right beside it. There's an implication that the ewok got crushed by the other foot but it does not appear on screen.

Honestly, the violence shown in ROTJ is suitable. I wouldn't want to see crushed ewok guts or little teddy bear corpses charred by blaster fire.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The Ewoks were these cute, innocent-looking creatures, but let's not forget that they were prepared to dine on the rebels once they were captured. C-3PO translates to Han that Chewie, Luke, and him were to be cooked and eaten for a feast celebrating the Ewoks' newfound golden god. The Ewoks crush an AT-ST and its occupants by slamming two giant pieces of wood into it.

Meanwhile, in the PT, you have the Sand People who tortured Anakin's mother offscreen. In the same vein, the brutality of the Ewoks and the Sand People is kept to the side and not graphically shown in detail.

I just looked up the 'crushed to death' scene. An ewok on a glider gets shot down and you an AT-ST foot land right beside it. There's an implication that the ewok got crushed by the other foot but it does not appear on screen.

We don't see it happen on screen, so as far as I'm concerned, it didn't happen on screen, and the Ewok rolled away to safety. Otherwise you'd get an AT-ST with a bloody foot.

Honestly, the violence shown in ROTJ is suitable. I wouldn't want to see crushed ewok guts or little teddy bear corpses charred by blaster fire.

Exactly. It's the kind of family-friendly violence you'd see in a Disney kids' film back in the 80s or 90s. Not brutal in the slightest. The closest thing to brutal you get in the OT was that one alien whose arm Kenobi chops off in ANH, Luke's parents reduced to charred skeletons, Han getting tortured, and Luke losing a hand. But notice how that's in the first two movies; ROTJ was more kid-friendly, and the closest thing you get to a brutal death was Leia choking Jabba to death with her chain.

 

[LovisXVI]

Exactly. It's the kind of family-friendly violence you'd see in a Disney kids' film back in the 80s or 90s. Not brutal in the slightest. The closest thing to brutal you get in the OT was that one alien whose arm Kenobi chops off in ANH, Luke's parents reduced to charred skeletons, Han getting tortured, and Luke losing a hand. But notice how that's in the first two movies; ROTJ was more kid-friendly, and the closest thing you get to a brutal death was Leia choking Jabba to death with her chain.

A bunch of people get eaten by the sarlacc, after it was described that you are digested over years, alive.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

A bunch of people get eaten by the sarlacc, after it was described that you are digested over years, alive.

Offscreen. All we see is a bunch of people falling into a giant sand vagina.

If implications of offscreen violence are all you need, then Anakin killing children TWICE would top that.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

I still have the Darth Vader figure I got as a Christmas gift at age 5. Man that was almost 20 years ago now that I think of it, where did the time go?

I think the advent of the internet and smart phones has led to our time being sucked up by all the distractions

 

[Gorton Colu]

For all of you nerds here. What near human species is your favorite and why? EU included.

For me its Arkanian for infrared vision and high IQ or perhaps Nagai for their super reaction.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

For all of you nerds here. What near human species is your favorite and why? EU included.

For me its Arkanian for infrared vision and high IQ or perhaps Nagai for their super reaction.

The Chiss and the Sith purebloods.

The former because they had a well-functioning society and one of the best Imperial characters came from them. As for the Sith, there's the obvious reasons; their Empire made the galaxy piss its pants more than once, their ideology is so influential that future rulers of the galaxy believed in it long after they died out, and they actually gave the Rakatans a black eye back when the Rakatans were at their height.

 

[Gorton Colu]

The Chiss and the Sith purebloods.

The former because they had a well-functioning society and one of the best Imperial characters came from them. As for the Sith, there's the obvious reasons; their Empire made the galaxy piss its pants more than once, their ideology is so influential that future rulers of the galaxy believed in it long after they died out, and they actually gave the Rakatans a black eye back when the Rakatans were at their height.

Good points, but I'd argue that their ideology came from dark jedi first, but their influence in undeniable.

Are Sith Zeltrons with extra skin?

The Chiss are always cool, but my favorite Chiss is not Thrawn, but Sev'rance Tann for as little we got of her.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Good points, but I'd argue that their ideology came from dark jedi first, but their influence in undeniable.

The Dark Jedi only intensified their faith in the Dark Side. King Adas was already going down that road before the Dark Jedi helped them go even further. Especially since Adas was trained by the Rakatans, who went down the dark path even farther than Vader or Palpatine ever did.

Are Sith Zeltrons with extra skin?

I wouldn't call them that. But yes, Sith and Zeltrons shared the red skin, although the Zeltrons were hornier and the Sith had more of an aptitude for the Force.

The Chiss are always cool, but my favorite Chiss is not Thrawn, but Sev'rance Tann for as little we got of her.

Sev'Rance was basically female Thrawn if she were a Dark Jedi. I could only imagine if we had a dedicated series about her, would she eclipse Thrawn in popularity? She had all his strengths, but she has sex appeal and the ability to throw down with Jedi if the situation called for it.

 

[Gorton Colu]

Sev'Rance was basically female Thrawn if she were a Dark Jedi. I could only imagine if we had a dedicated series about her, would she eclipse Thrawn in popularity? She had all his strengths, but she has sex appeal and the ability to throw down with Jedi if the situation called for it.

I believe her strategic and tactical thinking to be less than Thrawns, but being a force adept makes up for that. If she hadn't been killed off, she'd have been very popular for sure.

I wouldn't call them that. But yes, Sith and Zeltrons shared the red skin, although the Zeltrons were hornier and the Sith had more of an aptitude for the Force.

Yeah, I know, just joking around.

The Dark Jedi only intensified their faith in the Dark Side. King Adas was already going down that road before the Dark Jedi helped them go even further. Especially since Adas was trained by the Rakatans, who went down the dark path even farther than Vader or Palpatine ever did.

Good point. Forgot about Adas, but I do think it was the dark jedi and their integration with the Sith that made them truly influential on galactic affairs.

It is thunk provoking that Sith can have children with humans.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I believe her strategic and tactical thinking to be less than Thrawns, but being a force adept makes up for that. If she hadn't been killed off, she'd have been very popular for sure.

I wouldn't say that. Most of Thrawn's best tactics are something that a young adult novel reader can figure out.

Good point. Forgot about Adas, but I do think it was the dark jedi and their integration with the Sith that made them truly influential on galactic affairs.

Exactly. Mostly because the Dark Jedi were stronger than the Sith magicians at the time.

It is thunk provoking that Sith can have children with humans.

They are humanoids, so if humans can have kids with Zeltrons, Chiss, Mirialans, and Twi'leks, they can have kids with Sith purebloods.

 

[Gorton Colu]

They are humanoids, so if humans can have kids with Zeltrons, Chiss, Mirialans, and Twi'leks, they can have kids with Sith purebloods.

Twi'leks too? I guessed they were humanoids like Tholosians, Koorivar, and Pau'an and not compatible. Shows what I knew.

I assumed they had to be near humans not just humanoid. Echani, Miraluka, Arkanians, Kiffar, Nagai, Chiss, Mirialans, and Umbarans. Though now that I think about it Anzat can have hybrids if I'm not mistaken.

Related note, favorite non human species is the Givin.

I wouldn't say that. Most of Thrawn's best tactics are something that a young adult novel reader can figure out.

You're right technically, but I'm thinking more "in universe." Sev'rance Tann led some droids on some skirmishes and lost while Thrawn had a number of victories conducting a campaign in a couple different theaters.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Related note, favorite non human species is the Givin.

Mine is between the Trandoshans, Wookiees, and Rakatans.

The first two need no introduction, but the Rakatans take the cake for being the original empire in the SW galaxy, long before the Sith, Mandalorian, and Galactic Empires.

You're right technically, but I'm thinking more "in universe." Sev'rance Tann led some droids on some skirmishes and lost while Thrawn had a number of victories conducting a campaign in a couple different theaters.

The difference is, the Jedi Council had Tann assassinated by Echuu Shen-Jon. There were no Jedi Masters serving as assassins to go after Thrawn personally, not when Luke was distracted by Joruus C'baoth.

That, and Tann blacked out Coruscant during her assault on the Core Worlds by sacking and decimating Sarapin. That was way worse than what Thrawn did to Coruscant.

 

[Gorton Colu]

Rakatans take the cake for being the original empire in the SW galaxy, long before the Sith, Mandalorian, and Galactic Empires.

Would have been cool to have stories with the Rakatans, Kiliks and Celestials back in their heyday.

 

[Vining]

The Ewoks were these cute, innocent-looking creatures, but let's not forget that they were prepared to dine on the rebels once they were captured. C-3PO translates to Han that Chewie, Luke, and him were to be cooked and eaten for a feast celebrating the Ewoks' newfound golden god. The Ewoks crush an AT-ST and its occupants by slamming two giant pieces of wood into it.

I just looked up the 'crushed to death' scene. An ewok on a glider gets shot down and you an AT-ST foot land right beside it. There's an implication that the ewok got crushed by the other foot but it does not appear on screen.

Honestly, the violence shown in ROTJ is suitable. I wouldn't want to see crushed ewok guts or little teddy bear corpses charred by blaster fire.

" Nice for the Empire to send us for an Ewok hunting session, eh TK-147? "
" I hope they gave us lots of thermal detonators! "

 

[Gondolindrim]

The effects have aged, bu they have aged well especially compared to Attack of the Clones.

Similarly to Jurassic Park, the combination of being shot on film and using alot of practical effects helps mesh the CGI elements better.

Complaining about AOTC CG is weird to me because the plot demanded it. There's no practical way to film a huge battle on a desert planet.